EPAC: OLAF - Post-Tropical

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#161 Postby Sciencerocks » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 pm

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#162 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:12 pm

I guess the one thing holding it back is it will be near DMIN at landfall?
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#163 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:14 pm

grapealcoholic wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Vbqw0na.png


Eye looks more closed compared to earlier. Will probably make a run at Cat 2 shortly.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#164 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:14 pm

grapealcoholic wrote:I guess the one thing holding it back is it will be near DMIN at landfall?


That shouldn’t be a factor in a strong hurricane like this.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#165 Postby Zonacane » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:26 pm

Olaf is going to be too far west to give me any rain :grr:
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#166 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:28 pm

Eyewall getting stronger to the south:
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#167 Postby Zonacane » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:29 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Eyewall getting stronger to the south:
https://i.imgur.com/DPoxWaT.png

Probably closed, a little hard to tell from that angle
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#168 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:31 pm

Good sign it's closed is the new tower popping off in nw quad
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#169 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:33 pm

Solid 5.0 now. Easily 5.5 if it can wrap a B ring or the eye warms further.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#170 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:37 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Solid 5.0 now. Easily 5.5 if it can wrap a B ring or the eye warms further.
https://i.imgur.com/85IaBQm.png


That’s not even embedded in LG. We might get T4.0 lmao.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#171 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:43 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Solid 5.0 now. Easily 5.5 if it can wrap a B ring or the eye warms further.
https://i.imgur.com/85IaBQm.png


That’s not even embedded in LG. We might get T4.0 lmao.

Yeah but it's super easy to wrap -55C to -65C and get it embedded again. Easier to see here on this 1 minute imagery:
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#172 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:47 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Solid 5.0 now. Easily 5.5 if it can wrap a B ring or the eye warms further.
https://i.imgur.com/85IaBQm.png


That’s not even embedded in LG. We might get T4.0 lmao.

Yeah but it's super easy to wrap -55C to -65C and get it embedded again.

The major problem with ADT.. you go from 4.0 to 6.0 with a single wrap
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#173 Postby Astromanía » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:49 pm

My intensity guess for landfall is 90 kts (165km/hr)
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#174 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:56 pm

Embedded in LG again but barely.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#175 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:59 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Embedded in LG again but barely.
https://i.imgur.com/aovhE3N.png

That's also the old way of scoring dvorak. ADT takes a mean center temp adjusted for symmetry
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#176 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:01 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Solid 5.0 now. Easily 5.5 if it can wrap a B ring or the eye warms further.
https://i.imgur.com/85IaBQm.png


That’s not even embedded in LG. We might get T4.0 lmao.

Yeah but it's super easy to wrap -55C to -65C and get it embedded again.


It’s a race against time on whether that wrapping will occur.

But this isn’t close to T5.0 right now.

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Old screenshots from 2015 from Dvorak (1984) that at least roughly explain how this works.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#177 Postby grapealcoholic » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:02 pm

Since we only have Dvorak, I think it will be a solid T6.0 by landfall
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#178 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:03 pm

grapealcoholic wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:Embedded in LG again but barely.
https://i.imgur.com/aovhE3N.png

That's also the old way of scoring dvorak. ADT takes a mean center temp adjusted for symmetry


ADT has some issues as well and not historically proven to be more effective than regular subjective Dvorak.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#179 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:07 pm

000
WTPZ35 KNHC 091752
TCPEP5

BULLETIN
Hurricane Olaf Intermediate Advisory Number 8A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152021
1200 PM MDT Thu Sep 09 2021

...STRENGTHENING OLAF EXPECTED TO BRING HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS AND
VERY HEAVY RAIN TO SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR THIS
AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT...


SUMMARY OF 1200 PM MDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...21.8N 108.6W
ABOUT 115 MI...185 KM SE OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...984 MB...29.06 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
* Baja California Sur Mexico from Los Barriles to Santa Fe

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Baja California Sur Mexico north of Santa Fe to Cabo San Lazaro
* Baja California Sur Mexico north of Los Barriles to San Evaristo

A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected
somewhere within the hurricane warning area, in this case within
the next 24 to 36 hours. Preparations to protect life and property
should be rushed to completion.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the tropical storm warning area within 36
hours.

Interests elsewhere in Baja California Sur should monitor the
progress of Olaf.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1200 PM MDT (1800 UTC), the center of Hurricane Olaf was located
by visible satellite imagery and radar data from Cabo San Lucas
near latitude 21.8 North, longitude 108.6 West. Olaf is moving
toward the north-northwest near 9 mph (15 km/h). A turn toward the
northwest is forecast by tonight, followed by a slower westward
motion Friday night and Saturday. On the forecast track, the center
of Olaf will approach southern Baja California Sur today, move near
or over the southern part of the peninsula this evening and on
Friday, and then move westward away from land Friday night and
Saturday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 80 mph (130 km/h)
with higher gusts. Additional strengthening is likely before
the eyewall of Olaf nears the southern coast of the Baja California
peninsula this afternoon and evening. Weakening is likely on
Friday and through the weekend.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 35 miles (55 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 115
miles (185 km).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 984 mb (29.06 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Olaf can be found in the Tropical Cyclone
Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO header WTPZ45 KNHC
and on the web at hurricanes.gov/graphics_ep5.shtml?key_messages

WIND: Hurricane conditions are expected to reach the coast within
the hurricane warning area late this afternoon or this evening.
Winds are expected to first reach tropical storm strength within the
next hour or so, making outside preparations difficult or dangerous.
Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to
completion.

Tropical storm conditions are expected to begin in southern
portions of the tropical storm warning area tonight and will spread
northward within the warning area on Friday.

RAINFALL: Olaf is expected to produce total rainfall amounts of 5
to 10 inches with maximum amounts of 15 inches across portions of
southern Baja California Sur through Friday. This rainfall may
trigger significant and life-threatening flash flooding and
mudslides.

STORM SURGE: A dangerous storm surge is expected to produce
coastal flooding within the warning areas in regions of onshore
winds. Near the coast, the surge will be accompanied by large and
damaging waves.

SURF: Swells generated by Olaf are affecting portions of the coasts
of southern Baja California Sur, Nayarit, and Sinaloa, and will
spread northward along the west coast of Baja California Sur through
Saturday. These swells are likely to cause life-threatening surf
and rip current conditions. Please consult products from your local
weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next complete advisory at 300 PM MDT.

$$
Forecaster D. Zelinsky
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Hurricane

#180 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:10 pm

Current Intensity Analysis





UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 9.0
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 09 SEP 2021 Time : 232031 UTC
Lat : 22:27:44 N Lon : 109:09:56 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
4.7 / 970.3mb/ 82.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
4.7 5.2 5.4

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR :N/A km

Center Temp : -31.9C Cloud Region Temp : -64.8C

Scene Type : EYE

Subtropical Adjustment : OFF

Extratropical Adjustment : OFF

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : EAST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : MW AdjEnd
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 72nmi
- Environmental MSLP : 1009mb

Satellite Name : GOES17
Satellite Viewing Angle : 41.0 degrees
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