ATL: FRED - Post-Tropical - Discussion

[IsabelaWeather]

NWS SJ issued area wide flash flood watch, there isnt much hindering this thing now on approach to the island. This should be interesting, it's my first real TC experience since I missed Maria (glad i did)

PTC 6 looks really good right now, especially for DMIN, interesting to see what is in store as we move towards DMAX, luckily I dont see this becoming too strong, but I am worried that this will be a common track as we get more favorable conditions in the next few weeks as we approach September. We do not need another intense hurricane here.

[NDG]

[NDG]

Forecast track shows it as a TS storm all the way to the FL Straights.

[tolakram]

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WTNT41 KNHC 092101
TCDAT1

Potential Tropical Cyclone Six Discussion Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062021
500 PM AST Mon Aug 09 2021

Deep convection associated with the area of low pressure located
northeast of Barbados has continued to consolidate this afternoon,
with several bands noted in both satellite and radar data from
Barbados and Martinique. ASCAT data from this morning revealed a
sharp trough axis, but the system lacked a well-defined circulation.
However, recent visible satellite imagery hints that a better
defined center may be forming just southwest of the primary
convective mass. These trends suggest the system is likely to
become a tropical depression or storm tonight or Tuesday when it
moves near the Lesser Antilles and into the eastern Caribbean.
Therefore, advisories are being initiated on the system in order to
issue Tropical Storm Watches for portions of the Lesser Antilles,
the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico and parts of the Dominican
Republic.

Since the system is still in its formative stage the initial motion
estimate is a somewhat uncertain 290/13 kt. A mid-tropospheric ridge
anchored over the western Atlantic should steer the system
west-northwestward through the forecast period. Although there is
high confidence in the overall steering pattern over the next
several days, there is lower than normal confidence in the details
of the track forecast, especially in the short-range due to the lack
of a well-defined center. Exactly where the center forms will have
some downstream implications on the exact forecast track, especially
across the eastern Caribbean. Regardless of the exact track,
locally heavy rainfall and gusty winds are expected to spread across
portions of the Leeward Islands, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico,
and the Dominican Republic over the next day or two, hence the need
for Tropical Storm Watches for portions of those areas.

The disturbance is embedded within an area of low vertical wind
shear and SSTs of around 28C. These conditions favor additional
development, but the occasional entrainment of dry mid-level air
located just west of the system is likely to prevent more rapid
organization. By Wednesday, the system is likely to be near
Hispaniola, where subtle differences in the forecast track could
have large implications on the intensity of the storm later this
week. A track directly over Hispaniola would likely significantly
disrupt the circulation, while a track more poleward of the island
could allow the system to stay more intact. An additional caveat
beyond 48 hours is that vertical wind shear out of the southwest may
also increase, which could limit the intensity after the system
moves past Hispaniola, although uncertainty exists in how much the
shear will increase given differences between the more favorable
ECMWF and less favorable GFS model solutions. The NHC intensity
forecast brings the system up to a 45 kt tropical storm before
potential land interaction with Hispaniola and afterwards is
conservative given the possibility of additional land interaction
and less favorable environmental conditions towards the end of the
forecast period.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. The system is forecast to become a tropical storm as it moves
through the Lesser Antilles tonight. Tropical storm conditions are
possible in portions of the southern Leeward Islands tonight and
Tuesday and in the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico beginning Tuesday
afternoon, and in the Dominican Republic by Wednesday.

2. Heavy rainfall could lead to flash, urban, and small stream
flooding and potential mudslides across the U.S. Virgin Islands and
Puerto Rico. The greatest threat for flooding impacts will be across
the eastern and southeastern portions of Puerto Rico.

3. There is a risk of wind and rainfall impacts in portions of
Hispaniola, the Turks and Caicos, the southeastern Bahamas, and Cuba
later this week, although the forecast is more uncertain than usual
since the system is still in its formative stage. Interests in these
areas should monitor the system's progress and updates to the
forecast.

4. Interests in the remainder of the Bahamas and Florida should
monitor updates to the forecast for this system, but it is too soon
to determine what if any impacts could occur there by late this week
or this weekend given the uncertainty in the long-range forecast.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 09/2100Z 14.2N 59.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
12H 10/0600Z 15.4N 61.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE
24H 10/1800Z 16.8N 64.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
36H 11/0600Z 17.9N 67.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 11/1800Z 19.2N 70.2W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
60H 12/0600Z 20.3N 72.8W 35 KT 40 MPH...OVER WATER
72H 12/1800Z 21.1N 75.0W 35 KT 40 MPH
96H 13/1800Z 22.8N 78.8W 40 KT 45 MPH
120H 14/1800Z 24.5N 82.0W 40 KT 45 MPH

$$
Forecaster Brown/Papin

[Aric Dunn]

all day long radar...

many more distinctly eastward moving cells on radar.

[aspen]

Forecast track shows it as a TS storm all the way to the FL Straights.

https://i.imgur.com/yA18bdj.png

If soon-to-be-Fred sticks to that track paralleling the northern coast of Hispaniola, we’ll have to watch out for Isaias-like center reformations to the north, and perhaps friction with the mountains helping it tighten up a bit.

[xironman]

The llc must be very dislocated from the mlc judging by the radar and the position.

[AtlanticWind]

The key will be if this stays offshore of the greater Antilles
Will make a big difference for S. Fla and beyond.

[TallyTracker]

Has Barbados reported any west winds yet? I believe that could help decide if this has closed off yet.

[aspen]

I’m thinking we could see a center shift to the N or NE towards the deepest convection if hot towers don’t start firing over what I think is the MLC. What time is recon scheduled to head out tomorrow?

[cycloneye]

I’m thinking we could see a center shift to the N or NE towards the deepest convection if hot towers don’t start firing over what I think is the MLC. What time is recon scheduled to head out tomorrow?

At 4:30 AM and will be plane from NOAA.

[captainbarbossa19]

This is bothering me when looking at soon to be Fred's track.

[floridasun78]

my weatherman say we need watch ull in bahama see if move faster to west and landmass of big islands ull likely cause shear

[floridasun78]

Hurricane Elsa take this same track that nhc have for ptc 6

[ScottNAtlanta]

all day long radar...

many more distinctly eastward moving cells on radar.

https://i.ibb.co/Bjj7nyW/ezgif-com-gif-maker-44.gif

I would have thought the Microwave image would be enough to say it was closed

[AlphaToOmega]

Look up the upper ocean heat content map
You will be surprised at what is in the Gulf of Mexico

[jlauderdal]

my weatherman say we need watch ull in bahama see if move faster to west and landmass of big islands ull likely cause shear

Was that craig setzer?

[Blown Away]

NHC 5pm Position: 14.2N/59.2W

PTC 6 has been pulsing up/down to the NE all day long and based on the position estimates, the estimated circulation center will likely keep getting pulled towards the NE...

[StPeteMike]

Think there’s a good chance the forecast strength will be upgraded, so I hope no one is taking this lightly. Once the storm can get consolidated, models will be able to forecast it better. On top of that, storm is pretty small, so it won’t take much effort to rapidly strengthen if it makes it north of the islands.

[Category5Kaiju]

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This is bothering me when looking at soon to be Fred's track.

https://i.imgur.com/kCaR5CB.png

Oh yeah for sure, although I am hoping a 150 mph Gulf hurricane does not happen (and it probably won’t). Although I certainly cannot discount a strong TS hitting Florida, the Florida Strait under the right conditions can really supercharge storms.