ATL: ELSA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3601 Postby galaxy401 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:18 pm

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ronjon wrote:Let's see what Elsa does when she fully emerges in SE GOM. Circulation looks robust on radar. Mets at the weather channel are hinting at possible CAT 1 according to models (Euro) and SW shear actually enhancing outflow. Both GFS and Euro showing Cedar Key landfall in their 18z runs early Wednesday morning.


I think the shear is too much for this to make a run at a Cat1. Plus, before it even thinks about that it would have to rebuild much of its convection all over again. It's just not going to have much time, especially with the shear. If there was no shear, I'd give it a shot at a Cat 1....But it would have to get its act together at lightning speed for that to happen...


Storms that were supposed to weaken (or at least not be able to continue to strengthen) due to shear while approaching the Gulf Coast since 2018:

Michael
Laura
Sally
Delta
Zeta


Well Delta did weaken before landfall on the Gulf Coast though that was largely due to cooler waters.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3602 Postby Michele B » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:27 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:They shifted the cone a few miles east again at 11pm


I was just about to post that!

Guy on WINK TV Ft. Myers said they shifted it 30 miles east.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3603 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:28 pm

Oh yeah, I remember tracking Michael. Not that I expect Elsa to RI at all of course, but it almost seems like Michael was a huge turning point in the way trackers like us see the potential of Gulf storms despite conditions being seemingly unfavorable for additional strengthening.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3605 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:33 pm

Sand Key Wind 25kts gusting over 30kts right now

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3606 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:35 pm

Michele B wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:They shifted the cone a few miles east again at 11pm


I was just about to post that!

Guy on WINK TV Ft. Myers said they shifted it 30 miles east.


I noticed it moved barely a hair to the right at 5pm and this one was quite a bit more. 30 mile adjustments could mean a lot at this stage. Should be interesting tomorrow.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3607 Postby MrJames » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:38 pm

Track shifted east at 11PM

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3608 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:42 pm

DMAX will be near soon. If Elsa is going to RI it’s going to be then. Probably not going to RI though.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3609 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:45 pm

If that blob doesn’t go away it may increase southwesterly shear because it is moving air up and that’s lowering its pressure so it will fight Elsa a bit if it doesn’t die off soon.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3610 Postby Steve » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:45 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:DMAX will be near soon. If Elsa is going to RI it’s going to be then. Probably not going to RI though.


I don’t think so. Doesn’t mean it can’t get more well defined though.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3611 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:46 pm

Steve wrote:
InfernoFlameCat wrote:DMAX will be near soon. If Elsa is going to RI it’s going to be then. Probably not going to RI though.


I don’t think so. Doesn’t mean it can’t get more well defined though.

I’d say ten% or less chance of RI. Very low chance yes.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3612 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:53 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:If that blob doesn’t go away it may increase southwesterly shear because it is moving air up and that’s lowering its pressure so it will fight Elsa a bit if it doesn’t die off soon.



The blob looks angry about getting left behind

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3613 Postby Craters » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:56 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:On IR and Radar it looks like convection died down as she started to hit water again….


https://www.weathernerds.org/satellite/sessions/91626943.gif?0.36606712384134354


Oh, thank God. I thought things were suddenly starting to make sense...
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3614 Postby caneman » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:56 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:
InfernoFlameCat wrote:If that blob doesn’t go away it may increase southwesterly shear because it is moving air up and that’s lowering its pressure so it will fight Elsa a bit if it doesn’t die off soon.



The blob looks angry about getting left behind

https://www.weathernerds.org/satellite/sessions/22875536.gif?0.16552986176798445


I dont think it's getting left behind. As the storm wraps more it will likely get pulled into it.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3615 Postby psyclone » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:57 pm

That east shift in the track is very significant for the nature coast down into pinellas county where we're back to a storm perilously close to the coast. ts wind probs at tampa are now 69%.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3616 Postby AtlanticWind » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:00 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:
InfernoFlameCat wrote:If that blob doesn’t go away it may increase southwesterly shear because it is moving air up and that’s lowering its pressure so it will fight Elsa a bit if it doesn’t die off soon.



The blob looks angry about getting left behind

https://www.weathernerds.org/satellite/sessions/22875536.gif?0.16552986176798445

Leave me here and I will form my own storm.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3617 Postby Jr0d » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:03 pm

Shut down Schooner Wharf Bar in Key West early because of Elsa...some upset customers but most understand that we want to.be home before the worst gets here.

Business as usual tomorrow
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3618 Postby eastcoastFL » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:04 pm

caneman wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
InfernoFlameCat wrote:If that blob doesn’t go away it may increase southwesterly shear because it is moving air up and that’s lowering its pressure so it will fight Elsa a bit if it doesn’t die off soon.



The blob looks angry about getting left behind

https://www.weathernerds.org/satellite/sessions/22875536.gif?0.16552986176798445


I dont think it's getting left behind. As the storm wraps more it will likely get pulled into it.


When you look at Cuban radar there’s still quite a bit more of Elsa left still south of Cuba so it will be interesting to see if she does drag that up with her

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3619 Postby HurricaneBelle » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:05 pm

psyclone wrote:That east shift in the track is very significant for the nature coast down into pinellas county where we're back to a storm perilously close to the coast. ts wind probs at tampa are now 69%.


that's not nice for us
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3620 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:08 pm

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