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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3741 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:12 am

While the LLC is taking a beating thunderstorms appear to continue to fill in on the east

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3742 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:14 am

InfernoFlameCat wrote:Radar showed a 90mph wind gust(little dark blue blob) south of the radar site in keys west


Sand key reporting 46kts sustained 55kts gust

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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3743 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:15 am

Key West finally reporting TS winds - SE 37kts gusting 51kts.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3744 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:16 am

wxman57 wrote:Key West finally reporting TS winds - SE 37kts gusting 51kts.


On the NHC wind graphic it looks like key west is right on the edge of the TS wind field
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3745 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:17 am

For those wondering why the recon flights this morning, because of lightning nearby they can't fuel up the plane before taking off.

 https://twitter.com/53rdWRS/status/1412395860462387200


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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3746 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:19 am

wxman57 wrote:Key West finally reporting TS winds - SE 37kts gusting 51kts.


And with a surface pressure up now to 1014 mb, insane!
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3747 Postby SunnyThoughts » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:20 am

https://southernmostpointwebcam.com/

Southernmost Point WEbcam...Keywest
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3748 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:20 am

On radar it looks pretty clear that the center is roughly 60 miles due west of key west. However, I am having a lot of trouble pinpointing a center on visible. It looks elongated, stretched east to west with no definitive center. Interesting that radar velocities seem to be coming up though
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3749 Postby underthwx » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:20 am

Is there a new recon in Elsa atm?...I read the NHC discussion on the cyclone...they mentioned a new mission will be in Elsa sometime this morning, which may offer new intensity levels?..I wonder will they tweak the intensity up a bit?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3750 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 am

Elsa may strengthen by asymmetric convection where the convection pulls in air through the llc and wraps it around the eastern edge. That’s the only way she could do it now anyways. It’s already generating its winds in that fashion.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3751 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 am

NDG wrote:For those wondering why the recon flights this morning, because of lightning nearby they can't fuel up the plane before taking off.

https://twitter.com/53rdWRS/status/1412395860462387200


That’s kinda funny. They can fly directly into the worst hurricanes ever but can’t fuel up in a thunderstorm. They can refuel in the air but not on ground, I guess there’s no hangar where they are?
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3752 Postby LarryWx » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 am

Fortunately, there’s no worry about anything even approaching rapid intensification as shear should prevent that. This remains nicely tilted. Good news for although this has always been expected/forecasted. The 12Z Euro yesterday getting her down into the 980s is going to look really bad barring something totally unforeseen.
But still plenty of weather associated with this is expected over much of the SE US. I’m not trying to downplay it. I’m just trying to downplay the Euro’s silliness.

This will go a long ways toward keeping away SE drought and the associated threat of a heatwave. That’s the best news about this.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3753 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:22 am

underthwx wrote:Is there a new recon in Elsa atm?...I read the NHC discussion on the cyclone...they mentioned a new mission will be in Elsa sometime this morning, which may offer new intensity levels?..I wonder will they tweak the intensity up a bit?


They’re grounded for the moment due to lightning on the ground.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3754 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:22 am

eastcoastFL wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Key West finally reporting TS winds - SE 37kts gusting 51kts.


On the NHC wind graphic it looks like key west is right on the edge of the TS wind field


They are right about in the radius of max winds. Unfortunately, they nor we can separate the TS winds from the center in our graphics. There is probably a small band of TS wind east of the center in that heavy squall area. Looks like max winds are about 40 kts, though one could argue that they could be as high as 45 kts somewhere in that squall.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3755 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:23 am

Keys power reporting outages. Fpl reporting a couple hundred in Miami-Dade
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3756 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:24 am

LarryWx wrote:Fortunately, there’s no worry about anything even approaching rapid intensification as shear should prevent that. This remains nicely tilted. Good news for although this has always been expected/forecasted. The 12Z Euro yesterday getting her down into the 980s is going to look really bad barring something totally unforeseen.
But still plenty of weather associated with this is expected over much of the SE US. I’m not trying to downplay it. I’m just trying to downplay the Euro’s silliness.

This will go a long ways toward keeping away SE drought and the associated threat of a heatwave. That’s the best news about this.

In the long run this may save lives by preventing heat deaths, the most deadly weather phenomenon on average in the US.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3757 Postby eastcoastFL » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:24 am

wxman57 wrote:
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wxman57 wrote:Key West finally reporting TS winds - SE 37kts gusting 51kts.


On the NHC wind graphic it looks like key west is right on the edge of the TS wind field


They are right about in the radius of max winds. Unfortunately, they nor we can separate the TS winds from the center in our graphics. There is probably a small band of TS wind east of the center in that heavy squall area. Looks like max winds are about 40 kts, though one could argue that they could be as high as 45 kts somewhere in that squall.


The only sustained winds I’ve seen so far over 40kts is sand key. They’ve been reporting for over an hour now sustained 40+kt winds
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3758 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:25 am

Exposed center appears to be near 24.9N/83W. Getting more separation from the squall to the east.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3759 Postby TallyTracker » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:26 am

The max winds and worst weather are well removed from the surface center. Seem to be more lined up with the MLC.
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Re: ATL: ELSA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#3760 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:26 am

eastcoastFL wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
eastcoastFL wrote:
On the NHC wind graphic it looks like key west is right on the edge of the TS wind field


They are right about in the radius of max winds. Unfortunately, they nor we can separate the TS winds from the center in our graphics. There is probably a small band of TS wind east of the center in that heavy squall area. Looks like max winds are about 40 kts, though one could argue that they could be as high as 45 kts somewhere in that squall.


The only sustained winds I’ve seen so far over 40kts is sand key. They’ve been reporting for over an hour now sustained 40+kt winds


What is Sand Key's ICAO? (the 3-letter station identifier)
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