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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#381 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:35 am

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Shell Mound wrote:Structurally this is still rather disorganised. While low-level turning is evident, 99L’s western hemisphere (half) is largely devoid of convection, owing to strong mid-level shear. Certainly, the mid-level circulation is well defined, and PWATs are high, but the TUTT (PVS) is clearly preventing consolidation as of now. The TUTT is weakening and retrograding, but doing so very slowly at this time. Also, while the past several runs of the GFS have adjusted themselves to account for 99L’s short-term organisation (and resultant, convectively induced ULAC), the runs have also trended toward a stronger PVS over peninsular FL and the Yucatán Channel. This effectively offsets 99L’s better-than-expected short-term, mid-level organisation and implies that 99L will likely not strengthen significantly prior to reaching western Cuba.

That bit of shear and dry air lurking to the west of 99L is probably why no model strengthens this much in the next 48 hours before crossing Cuba into the Gulf, but since they could be underestimating how far along it is, the storm could get a little stronger than forecast. Maybe a 55-60 kt TS at a Cuba landfall.

The 00Z EC operational shows 99L impacting the Isla de la Juventud as a 1000-mb, ~45-kt TS, while the 06Z GFS suggests 988 mb/~70 kt in the same area. Splitting the difference would suggest ~60 kt/~995 mb over and/or near western Cuba. Given the better-than-anticipated presentation currently, as well as the stronger-than-expected ULL over FL, I would suggest ~55 kt/~998 mb as a good compromise, closest to—but slightly stronger than—the EC’s solution. The NHC should and probably will post Hurricane Watches for western Cuba, in consultation with the Cuban government, given the potential for 99L to near hurricane intensity as it impacts Cuba.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#382 Postby BobHarlem » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:40 am

It looks pretty disorganized right now with the heaviest convection way NE of the center almost to Eastern Cuba, and next to nothing on the Southwest side. I don't think it'll get to hurricane strength before Cuba. Yes the LLC is obvious, but the rest of the structure is being too impacted by the Florida ULL.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#383 Postby NDG » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:40 am

X is approximately where I think the MLC is located, but still unclear if there is a defined or developing LLC near it, could be closed but elongated SW to NE.
Recon will verify later this afternoon.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#384 Postby MississippiWx » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:48 am

Dean4Storms wrote:OK, think I see the low level rotation near 15.5N and 79W SW of the MLC. If you look at visible you can see some low level cumulus moving east to west just south of 16N in that clear area and that should not be if the LLC was further NNE near Jamaica. Guess the shear has the MLC displaced toward the NE.
Can't rule out development further up near the MLC but for now I do see some lower level spin down there.


Best track just updated to 16.4N. You are probably seeing the remnant trof to the south and west of the low.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#385 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:49 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#386 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:51 am

BobHarlem wrote:It looks pretty disorganized right now with the heaviest convection way NE of the center almost to Eastern Cuba, and next to nothing on the Southwest side. I don't think it'll get to hurricane strength before Cuba. Yes the LLC is obvious, but the rest of the structure is being too impacted by the Florida ULL.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#387 Postby toad strangler » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:52 am

The Northern Gulf Coast is an absolute 'cane magnet recently. It's inexplicable!
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#388 Postby Chemmers » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:53 am

I think the next update, there will put this as a ptc so they can issues a cone and get the word out since the models are coming into alignment and as it is only 3 days away from landfall?, It looks like it will go major unfortunately
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#389 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:54 am

NDG wrote:X is approximately where I think the MLC is located, but still unclear if there is a defined or developing LLC near it, could be closed but elongated SW to NE.
Recon will verify later this afternoon.

https://i.imgur.com/kblcnij.gif


Although the loop isn't as long, note the LL clouds moving east to west to the SW of your X in that clear area. Those should be moving NE, that's why I think the Low at the surface is still down there.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#390 Postby Jr0d » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:59 am

Chemmers wrote:I think the next update, there will put this as a ptc so they can issues a cone and get the word out since the models are coming into alignment and as it is only 3 days away from landfall?, It looks like it will go major unfortunately


While I do think based on satellite it could be classified as a depression, I do think the NHC will wait for recon data before they upgrade.

That said western Cuba will likely experience tropical storm conditions tomorrow and The lower Florida Keys could see storm conditions Saturday.v
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#391 Postby Shell Mound » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:59 am

toad strangler wrote:The Northern Gulf Coast is an absolute 'cane magnet recently. It's inexplicable!

Since 2016 the northern Gulf Coast has seen nine hurricanes: Hermine, Harvey, Nate, Michael, Barry, Laura, Sally, Delta, and Zeta—1.8 strikes per year.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#392 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:59 am

Are people looking at the same developing storm? I appreciate twitter for the ability to get out fast takes, but man some of these are just crazy bad IMO. We've gone from a disorganized mess that the models didn't develop until past Cuba to what appears to be a decent LLC with new convection firing and a ULL moving away toward the west. Did I mention the banding? Just my opinion. :lol:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#393 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:01 am

Wondering if Recon will likely find that the MLC and LLC are miles apart from each other. ULL likely undercutting it with some shear.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#394 Postby aspen » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:02 am

Here is how much time 99L could have over the Gulf between its Cuba and Louisiana landfalls, according to the most recent model runs.

00z Euro: ~48hr

06z GFS: 36-42hr

00z CMC: 36hr

06z ICON: 39-42hr

06z HWRF: 45-51hr

06z HMON: 36-39hr

Seems like the consensus so far is about a day and a half over water at the minimum. I’m skeptical that this’ll have 50 or more hours in the Gulf; the HWRF is probably the highest possible amount of time it’ll have.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#395 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:02 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#396 Postby InfernoFlameCat » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:02 am

Jr0d wrote:
Chemmers wrote:I think the next update, there will put this as a ptc so they can issues a cone and get the word out since the models are coming into alignment and as it is only 3 days away from landfall?, It looks like it will go major unfortunately


While I do think based on satellite it could be classified as a depression, I do think the NHC will wait for recon data before they upgrade.

That said western Cuba will likely experience tropical storm conditions tomorrow and The lower Florida Keys could see storm conditions Saturday.v
it’s still enlongated sw to ne. Llc is not well defined enough.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#397 Postby Tireman4 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:02 am

tolakram wrote:Are people looking at the same developing storm? I appreciate twitter for the ability to get out fast takes, but man some of these are just crazy bad IMO. We've gone from a disorganized mess that the models didn't develop until past Cuba to what appears to be a decent LLC with new convection firing and a ULL moving away toward the west. Did I mention the banding? Just my opinion. :lol:



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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#398 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:05 am

I don't think it's quite there yet but that doesn't change the fact that this thing is way ahead of schedule. I think they should go with PTC advisories soon though. Hopefully Cuba disrupts it a bit and keeps it broad. Otherwise it's all systems go in the gulf.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

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Re: ATL: INVEST 99L - Discussion

#400 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:08 am

Weather Dude wrote:I don't think it's quite there yet but that doesn't change the fact that this thing is way ahead of schedule. I think they should go with PTC advisories soon though. Hopefully Cuba disrupts it a bit and keeps it broad. Otherwise it's all systems go in the gulf.

Never mind I meant to say it's there. :lol: TD9 incoming
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