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Re: EPAC: FIFTEEN-E - Tropical Depression

#61 Postby Astromanía » Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 pm

Netzero9455 wrote:Getting tired of all this rain. We got like 30 inches of rain last month here in Puerto Vallarta, and we're almost at twice the normal rainfall level year-to-date. I thought precipitation was generally elevated during El Nino years, and since this is a cool neutral tending towards La Nina, why is there so much rain for the coast of Jalisco? So many tropical disturbances brushing past us this year. Is there a general pattern that keeps disturbances closer to the coast for some reason?


Yes, Central, South and Southwest Mexico are getting destroying with the rain this season, 17 people were killed in an hospital by inundation in Tula, Hidalgo recently, so far many systems have been making landfall in Mexico or coming close to did so this Epac season. Meanwhile Northeast, North, and Northwest Mexico are getting drier
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#62 Postby Astromanía » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:21 pm

Looks like a cat 2 landfall in Cabo San Lucas for the GFS
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#63 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:00 pm

TXPZ26 KNES 081812
TCSENP

A. 15E (OLAF)

B. 08/1730Z

C. 19.0N

D. 107.3W

E. THREE/GOES-W

F. T2.5/3.0

G. IR/EIR/VIS/SSMIS

H. REMARKS...SYSTEM HAS 4/10 BANDING RESULTING IN A DT OF 2.5. SYSTEM
HAS A BANDING STRUCTURE WITH BROKEN UP THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY. THIS CAN BE
SEEN ON BOTH VIS AND EIR SATELLITE IMAGERY. SYSTEM IS ATTEMPTING TO WRAP
THE THE ACTIVITY AROUND TO THE W SIDE BUT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO SO. THE
24 HR TREND IS DEVELOPING SLOWLY. MET IS 3.0 AND PT IS 2.5. FT IS BASED
ON PT DUE TO CLOUD FEATURES NOT BEING CLEAR CUT IN THE BANDING STRUCTURE.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

08/1135Z 18.8N 107.2W SSMIS


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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#64 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:02 pm

000
WTPZ35 KNHC 081753
TCPEP5

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Olaf Intermediate Advisory Number 4A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152021
1200 PM MDT Wed Sep 08 2021

...OLAF STRENGTHENS A LITTLE AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD...


SUMMARY OF 1200 PM MDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...19.1N 107.5W
ABOUT 210 MI...340 KM W OF MANZANILLO MEXICO
ABOUT 300 MI...485 KM SSE OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 315 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for...
* Baja California Sur Mexico from Los Barriles to Santa Fe

A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are
possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours.

Interests elsewhere in Baja California Sur should monitor the
progress of this system. Additional watches or warnings may be
required later today.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1200 PM MDT (1800 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Olaf was
located near latitude 19.1 North, longitude 107.5 West. Olaf is
moving toward the northwest near 7 mph (11 km/h). This general
motion along with an increase in forward speed are expected through
Friday. A turn toward the west-northwest is forecast by Friday
night, followed by a turn toward the west on Saturday. On the
forecast track, the center of Olaf will move just to the southwest
of southern Baja California Sur on Thursday and Friday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 45 mph (75 km/h)
with higher gusts. Additional strengthening is forecast during the
next day or so, and Olaf could be near hurricane strength by late
Thursday. The storm is expected to begin weakening on Friday.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (115 km)
from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1002 mb (29.59 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Tropical Storm Olaf can be found in the
Tropical Cyclone Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO
header WTPZ45 KNHC and on the web at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_ep5.shtml?key_messages

WIND: Tropical storm conditions are possible in the watch area in
Baja California Sur by late Thursday or Thursday night.

RAINFALL: Olaf is expected to produce total rainfall amounts of 1
to 3 inches with maximum amounts of 5 inches across the southern
portions of Baja California Sur Thursday through Friday. This
rainfall may trigger flash flooding and mudslides.

SURF: Olaf is expected to generate swells that will affect portions
of the coasts of Baja California Sur and Sinaloa by Thursday,
spreading northward along the west coast of Baja California Sur
through Friday. These swells are likely to cause life-threatening
surf and rip current conditions. Please consult products from your
local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next complete advisory at 300 PM MDT.

$$
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#65 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:10 pm

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Not sure why the GFS is nearly slamming this into Cabo with very high mid level shear

Edit: ignore, am an idiot.
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#66 Postby Sciencerocks » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:43 pm

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#67 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:53 pm

Tropical Storm Olaf Discussion Number 5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152021
300 PM MDT Wed Sep 08 2021

Olaf's appearance has remained steady today and the storm is
characterized by a large curved band that encompasses much of the
circulation. There is good outflow in all quadrants, indicative of a
low-shear environment. An earlier ASCAT pass sampled peak winds of
37 kt, and this data along with a blend of the latest Dvorak
T-numbers from TAFB and SAB indicate that the initial intensity is
around 40 kt.

The storm is forecast to remain over warm waters and in a moist
environment for the next 36 hours. Therefore, additional
strengthening is likely during that time period. In a couple of
days, the cyclone is forecast to begin moving over cooler waters,
and into a drier and a much more stable atmospheric environment.
This should result in rapid weakening, and Olaf is expected to
become a remnant low this weekend. The latest NHC intensity forecast
is little changed from the previous one, and continues to be in good
agreement with the IVCN intensity consensus aid. Although the NHC
forecast does not explicitly show Olaf becoming a hurricane, this
could still occur Thursday or Thursday night.

Olaf continues to move slowly northwestward, or 325/5 kt. A
mid-level ridge building over northern Mexico should help maintain
this heading for a couple of days with a gradual increase in forward
speed. By Friday night, Olaf is expected to turn west-northwestward
as it weakens, and by Saturday a westward motion is forecast when
the shallow cyclone is steered by the surrounding low-level flow.
The overall model guidance shifted slightly to the east through 48
hours, and thus the NHC track forecast was nudged in that direction
for that time frame. Because of this track shift, probabilities of
tropical storm and hurricane conditions have increased for southern
portions of Baja California Sur. Therefore, the government of
Mexico has issued a Hurricane Watch and a Tropical Storm Warning
for portions of this area. After 48 h, the guidance has shifted a
little to the south, and the NHC forecast was tweaked in that
direction as well.

Key Messages:

1. Olaf is forecast to strengthen to near hurricane intensity while
it passes to the southwest of the southern portion of Baja
California Sur Thursday and Friday. Tropical storm conditions are
expected and hurricane conditions are possible across that area
beginning late Thursday. Interests there should continue to monitor
the progress of Olaf.

2. Heavy rains associated with Tropical Storm Olaf are possible
across portions of far southern Baja California Sur Thursday through
Friday. This will pose a threat of flash flooding and mudslides.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 08/2100Z 19.4N 107.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
12H 09/0600Z 20.2N 108.3W 50 KT 60 MPH
24H 09/1800Z 21.2N 109.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 10/0600Z 22.3N 110.9W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 10/1800Z 23.2N 112.5W 55 KT 65 MPH
60H 11/0600Z 23.5N 114.2W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 11/1800Z 23.5N 115.5W 35 KT 40 MPH
96H 12/1800Z 23.1N 118.1W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 13/1800Z 22.4N 120.9W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#68 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:19 pm

ATMS surprisingly useful with Olaf's inner core. It looks like it's not stacked. With this structure, will be hard to see rapid deepening

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#69 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:46 pm

Seeing less shear on today’s GFS.

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#70 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:11 pm

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This is working on a core though this needs to become better stacked. Probably a mid grade tropical storm.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#71 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:14 pm

Needs more consistent bursts of convection near the CoC. Wonder if they'll send recon out in the next 2 days.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#72 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:16 pm

TXPZ26 KNES 090009
TCSENP

A. 15E (OLAF)

B. 08/2330Z

C. 19.6N

D. 107.4W

E. THREE/GOES-W

F. T2.5/3.0

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...5/10 BANDING AROUND THE LLCC RESULTS IN A DT OF 2.5. THE MET
IS EQUAL TO 3.0 BASED ON A DEVELOPMENT TREND OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS. THE
PT AGREES WITH THE DT. THE FT IS BASED ON THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


...SAMBUCCI
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#73 Postby Sciencerocks » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:53 pm

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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#74 Postby Hurricane Mike » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:32 pm

Skeptical this becomes a hurricane.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#75 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:16 pm

227
WTPZ45 KNHC 090237
TCDEP5

Tropical Storm Olaf Discussion Number 6
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152021
900 PM MDT Wed Sep 08 2021

Olaf appears to be gradually strengthening. Deep convection has
been increasing over the center, and banding features are becoming a
little more pronounced. The latest Dvorak estimates range from 35
to 45 kt. Since the system appears to be better organized from
the time of the ASCAT pass earlier today, the initial intensity is
nudged up and set near the high end of the estimates at 45 kt.

Satellite images and recent microwave data suggest that the center
of Olaf is a little to the east of the previous track, and the
latest initial motion estimate is 335/6 kt. Olaf is expected to
move generally northwestward for another 24 to 36 hours, which
should bring the system just off the coast of southern Baja
California Sur during that time. There is some spread in the models
on how close the storm will get to the coastline, with the GFS to
the east of the official forecast and the UKMET and ECMWF to the
west and farther offshore. Beyond 36 hours, Olaf is expected to be
located to the south of a strong mid-level ridge and that will cause
a turn to the west-northwest away from Mexico. The NHC track
forecast is adjusted again to the east of the previous one in the
short term and then to the south of the previous one at the longer
lead times. The new track forecast lies near the middle of the
guidance envelope, near the various consensus aids.

Olaf is located over warm waters, and embedded in a low wind shear
and fairly moist environment. These conditions should allow for
additional strengthening during the next day or so. Although not
explicitly forecast, Olaf could become a hurricane when it is just
off the coast of southern Baja California Sur, and a hurricane
watch remains in effect for the possibility of those winds
occurring on land. By Friday, a combination of cooler waters and a
much drier environment should cause steady weakening, and the
system is likely to become a remnant low over the weekend. The NHC
intensity forecast lies close to the IVCN and IVDR consensus models.


Key Messages:

1. Olaf is forecast to strengthen to near hurricane intensity while
it passes offshore of the southern portion of Baja California Sur
Thursday and Friday. Tropical storm conditions are expected and
hurricane conditions are possible across that area beginning late
Thursday. Interests there should continue to monitor the progress of
Olaf.

2. Heavy rains associated with Tropical Storm Olaf are possible
across portions of far southern Baja California Sur Thursday through
Friday. This will pose a threat of flash flooding and mudslides.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 09/0300Z 20.0N 108.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
12H 09/1200Z 20.8N 108.7W 55 KT 65 MPH
24H 10/0000Z 21.9N 109.9W 60 KT 70 MPH
36H 10/1200Z 22.8N 111.4W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 11/0000Z 23.4N 113.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
60H 11/1200Z 23.5N 114.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
72H 12/0000Z 23.3N 115.7W 35 KT 40 MPH
96H 13/0000Z 22.6N 118.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
120H 14/0000Z 21.7N 121.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW

$$
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#76 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:34 am

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0z GFS slams this into Cabo San Lucas.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#77 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:57 am

ZCZC MIATCPEP5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Olaf Intermediate Advisory Number 6A
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP152021
1200 AM MDT Thu Sep 09 2021

...TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ACROSS FAR SOUTHERN
PORTIONS OF BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR THIS AFTERNOON OR EVENING...


SUMMARY OF 1200 AM MDT...0600 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...20.3N 108.2W
ABOUT 165 MI...260 KM W OF CABO CORRIENTES MEXICO
ABOUT 220 MI...355 KM SSE OF CABO SAN LUCAS MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 7 MPH...11 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1000 MB...29.53 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
* Baja California Sur Mexico from Cabo San Lucas to Todos Santos

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Baja California Sur Mexico from Los Barriles to Santa Fe

A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible
within the watch area, in this case within the next 24 to 36 hours.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

Interests elsewhere in Baja California Sur should monitor the
progress of Olaf.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 1200 AM MDT (0600 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Olaf was
located near latitude 20.3 North, longitude 108.2 West. Olaf is
moving toward the north-northwest near 7 mph (11 km/h). A northwest
to north-northwest motion along with an increase in forward speed is
expected through Friday. A turn toward the west-northwest is
forecast by Friday night, followed by a turn toward the west on
Saturday. On the forecast track, the center of Olaf will move just
to the southwest of southern Baja California Sur tonight and on
Friday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 50 mph (85 km/h) with higher
gusts. Strengthening is forecast during the next day or so, and
Olaf could be near hurricane strength by this evening or tonight.
The storm is expected to begin weakening on Friday.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km)
from the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1000 mb (29.53 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
Key messages for Tropical Storm Olaf can be found in the
Tropical Cyclone Discussion under AWIPS header MIATCDEP5 and WMO
header WTPZ45 KNHC and on the web at
hurricanes.gov/graphics_ep5.shtml?key_messages

WIND: Hurricane conditions are possible within the Hurricane Watch
area in Baja California Sur tonight. Tropical storm conditions are
expected to begin in southern portions of the Tropical Storm
Warning area later this afternoon or evening and will spread
northward within the warning area tonight.

RAINFALL: Olaf is expected to produce total rainfall amounts
of 3 to 6 inches with maximum amounts of 10 inches across portions
of far southern Baja California Sur today through Friday. This
rainfall may trigger flash flooding and mudslides.

SURF: Olaf is expected to generate swells that will affect portions
of the coasts of Baja California Sur and Sinaloa later today,
spreading northward along the west coast of Baja California Sur
through Friday. These swells are likely to cause life-threatening
surf and rip current conditions. Please consult products from your
local weather office.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next complete advisory at 300 AM MDT.

$$
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#78 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:14 am

TXPZ26 KNES 090606
TCSENP

A. 15E (OLAF)

B. 09/0530Z

C. 20.1N

D. 108.0W

E. THREE/GOES-W

F. T3.5/3.5

G. IR/EIR/SWIR

H. REMARKS...6/10 WHITE BANDING AROUND THE LLCC RESULTS IN A DT EQUAL
TO 3.5. THE MET AND PT AGREE WITH THE DT BASED ON A RAPID DEVELOPMENT
TREND OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS WITH CONVECTION REMAINING PERSISTENT OVER
THE REGION OF THE LLCC. THE FT IS BASED ON THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#79 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:14 am

Well could go 50kts easily based on this ASCAT pass:
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GFS solution of a Cat.1/Cat.2 might be verifying. It's looking a lot better now.
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Re: EPAC: OLAF - Tropical Storm

#80 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:37 am

0z ECMWF almost joins GFS in showing landfall, passing the center of Olaf about 15 miles offshore. The storm
Itself has been moving right of its 6z forecast point and latest motion has been distinctly NNW. This reminds me of Odile if I’m being honest in that respect and if this current motion where to continue, we’d be dealing with a hurricane into San Jose del Cabo in 24 hours. Looking at the 700-600 mbar steering on the GFS, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Intensity wise, this has a legit CDO now and there are even signs of bursting vertical hot towers so I’m inclined to think this is vertically stacked now unlike earlier. Rapid intensification is possible given the low wind shear and close proximity to an ULAC but model support for such is lacking so with relatively limited time until land interaction, I wouldn’t count on it. A standard climatological rate of T1.0/day would bring this to minimal hurricane strength, which is a reasonable if slightly conservative projection.
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