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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#41 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:14 pm

A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE (93E)

B. 03/2330Z

C. 13.8N

D. 98.7W

E. THREE/GOES-W

F. T1.5/1.5

G. IR/EIR/VIS

H. REMARKS...3/10 BANDING ACTUALLY CURVING INTO THE STILL SOMEWHAT
ILL-DEFINED LLCC YIELDS DT OF 1.5. MET AND PT AGREE. THE FT IS BASED ON
THE DT.

I. ADDL POSITIONS

NIL


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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#42 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:33 pm

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This has a great upper environment but honestly but a windfield that large coming right from the monsoon trough is going to be vulnerable to dry air intrusions. I’d be skeptical of higher than Category 1/2 for now.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#43 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:40 pm

Should be a TD soon. Needs to strip some of that excess convection though to consolidate.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#44 Postby cycloneye » Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:21 pm

He thought it would be named by now. I think he is eagered to chase.

 https://twitter.com/iCyclone/status/1566246879360327686


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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#45 Postby Sciencerocks » Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:14 pm

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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#46 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:17 pm

Whatever you do, don't look at the 0z GFS! :eek:
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#47 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:22 pm

Iceresistance wrote:Whatever you do, don't look at the 0z GFS! :eek:


Dodged a bullet, but a California landfall is not out of the question.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#48 Postby Zonacane » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:13 am

Iceresistance wrote:
shah83 wrote:18z run would probably cause flood deaths and higher veggie prices.


A landfall in California? How is that even possible!?

GFS happy hour being itself. That’s how
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#49 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:49 am

GFS does this every year. It's tough to get a SoCal landfall in a super El Nino. Imagine in a moderate La Nina.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#50 Postby Yellow Evan » Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:12 am

0z GFS didn’t even show a direct California landfall just a decaying TS passing offshore.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#51 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:42 am

100%

South of Southwestern Mexico:
Satellite images indicate that an area of low pressure located about
200 miles south of Acapulco, Mexico, is becoming better defined and
showers and thunderstorms continue to show signs of organization.
If these trends continue, advisories will likely be initiated on
this system later today. The system is forecast to move generally
west-northwestward or northwestward near the coast of southwestern
Mexico during the next couple of days, bringing heavy rain to
portions of that region. Interests in those locations and the Baja
California peninsula should monitor the progress of this
disturbance. Additional information on this system, including gale
warnings, can be found in High Seas Forecasts issued by the National
Weather Service.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...near 100 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...near 100 percent.
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Re: EPAC: INVEST 93E

#52 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:44 am

EP, 93, 2022090412, , BEST, 0, 139N, 1008W, 30, 1005, DB


https://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/atcf/btk/bep932022.dat
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Re: EPAC: TWELVE-E - Tropical Depression

#53 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:11 am

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Re: EPAC: TWELVE-E - Tropical Depression

#54 Postby KirbyDude25 » Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:16 am

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WTPZ32 KNHC 041447
TCPEP2

BULLETIN
Tropical Depression Twelve-E Advisory Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP122022
1000 AM CDT Sun Sep 04 2022

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMS JUST OFF THE COAST OF SOUTHWESTERN
MEXICO...


SUMMARY OF 1000 AM CDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.0N 101.4W
ABOUT 225 MI...360 KM SSW OF ACAPULCO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES

Satellite images indicate that the area of low pressure located a
couple of hundred miles south of southwestern Mexico has developed
sufficently organized deep convection and a well-defined center to
be classified a tropical depression. Thunderstorm activity, with a
significant amount of lightning, is strongest in a band on the
system's west side. The initial intensity is set at 30 kt based on
a Dvorak estimate from TAFB. It should also be noted there are
likely strong wind gusts to the north of the center where winds
typically accelerate in these situations near the coast of Mexico.

The initial motion is estimated to be 280/9 kt, but this is somewhat
uncertain since the system just formed. This general motion is
expected to continue for the next couple of days, keeping the core
of the system south of the coast of southwestern Mexico during that
time. Thereafter, the models all show a turn to the northwest and
then the north. Although the models agree on this turn, there is
some spread on where and how sharply the system recurves. The GFS
and ECMWF ensemble spreads show solutions as far east as the Gulf of
California and as far west as a few hundred miles west of the Baja
California peninsula. The NHC track forecast follows the consensus
models, which takes the system very near the Baja peninsula in 4 to
5 days.

Overall, the environmental factors appear conducive for the
depression to intensify during the next few days with the shear
remaining low to moderate in strength, mid-level moisture very high,
and SSTs sufficently warm. However, the large size of the system
and lack of an inner core should limit rapid intensification in the
short term. The intensity guidance show at least steady
strengthening during the next 72 hours followed by some weakening
toward the end of the forecast period due to cooler SSTs. The NHC
intensity forecast is close to the IVCN guidance, and shows the
system becoming a tropical storm later today and a significant
hurricane near Baja in a few days.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Although the depression is expected to stay offshore, heavy
rainfall could lead to localized flash flooding in portions of
southwestern Mexico.

2. Interests in the Baja California peninsula should closely
monitor the depression as tropical storm or hurricane watches could
be required tonight.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 04/1500Z 14.0N 101.4W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 05/0000Z 14.3N 103.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
24H 05/1200Z 14.6N 105.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
36H 06/0000Z 15.3N 106.8W 60 KT 70 MPH
48H 06/1200Z 16.3N 108.5W 70 KT 80 MPH
60H 07/0000Z 17.8N 110.2W 80 KT 90 MPH
72H 07/1200Z 19.6N 111.3W 85 KT 100 MPH
96H 08/1200Z 23.6N 112.7W 80 KT 90 MPH
120H 09/1200Z 27.3N 114.8W 60 KT 70 MPH

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#55 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:54 am

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Re: EPAC: TWELVE-E - Tropical Depression

#56 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 04, 2022 1:59 pm

We have KAY.

EP, 12, 2022090418, , BEST, 0, 147N, 1020W, 35, 1004, TS, 34, NEQ, 100, 0, 0, 0, 1007, 180, 60, 0, 0, E, 0, , 0, 0, KAY, S


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Re: EPAC: TWELVE-E - Tropical Depression

#57 Postby Sciencerocks » Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:01 pm

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Re: EPAC: TWELVE-E - Tropical Depression

#58 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:12 pm

Also has a high ceiling as well, could be a very serious storm for Baja California, Mexico.
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Re: EPAC: KAY - Tropical Storm

#59 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 04, 2022 3:40 pm

BULLETIN
Tropical Storm Kay Advisory Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP122022
400 PM CDT Sun Sep 04 2022

...DEPRESSION STRENGTHENS INTO TROPICAL STORM KAY...


SUMMARY OF 400 PM CDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...14.8N 102.5W
ABOUT 225 MI...365 KM SW OF ACAPULCO MEXICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 290 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1004 MB...29.65 INCHES



Tropical Storm Kay Discussion Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP122022
400 PM CDT Sun Sep 04 2022

Satellite data indicate that the depression has strengthened into
Tropical Storm Kay. Although the convective pattern is still a bit
ragged, banding features have improved on the south side of the
cyclone. A pair of ASCAT passes from a few hours ago showed peak
winds around 35 kt to the northeast of the center. Based on that
data and the T2.5 Dvorak classification from TAFB, the initial
intensity is increased a little to 35 kt. Kay is a large storm with
its cloud field extending several hundred miles across, and some of
the outer bands are moving across the coast of southwestern Mexico.

The center is located a little to the north of the previous track,
and the estimated motion is now 290/11 kt. This general motion is
expected to continue for the next couple of days, keeping the core
of the system south of the coast of southwestern Mexico during that
time. Thereafter, the models all show a turn to the northwest and
then the north. Overall, there has been little change in the model
guidance this cycle and the solutions remain relatively tightly
clustered. Despite the tightly-clustered guidance, the GFS and
ECMWF ensemble spreads encompass as far east as the Gulf of
California and as far west as a few hundred miles west of the Baja
California peninsula. The NHC track forecast is a little to the
north of the previous one in the short term, due to the initial
position and motion, but ends up close to the previous track beyond
48 h.

Kay is likely to strengthen during the next few days while it
remains over warm water and embedded in a very moist environment.
Although the Rapid Intensification Indices in the SHIPS model are
relatively high, rapid intensification in the short term appears
unlikely given the broad structure of the cyclone and expected
moderate shear. The new NHC intensity forecast is largely
consistent with the previous one and shows steady strengthening
during the next 2 to 3 days. Beyond that time, weakening is
expected due to cooler SSTs. Regardless of the details, Kay is
expected to be a significant hurricane near Baja in a few days.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Although Kay is expected to stay offshore, heavy rainfall could
lead to localized flash flooding in portions of southwestern Mexico.

2. Interests in the Baja California peninsula should closely monitor
Kay as tropical storm or hurricane watches could be required tonight
or on Monday.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 04/2100Z 14.8N 102.5W 35 KT 40 MPH
12H 05/0600Z 15.1N 104.1W 45 KT 50 MPH
24H 05/1800Z 15.6N 106.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
36H 06/0600Z 16.4N 107.8W 65 KT 75 MPH
48H 06/1800Z 17.6N 109.5W 75 KT 85 MPH
60H 07/0600Z 19.2N 110.9W 85 KT 100 MPH
72H 07/1800Z 21.1N 112.0W 85 KT 100 MPH
96H 08/1800Z 24.9N 113.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
120H 09/1800Z 28.3N 115.5W 55 KT 65 MPH

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Re: EPAC: KAY - Tropical Storm

#60 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Sep 04, 2022 4:29 pm

100MPH peak. Solid cat.2. Further it can get off the coast the higher the ceiling. Else that's about it for strength.
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