2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

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Re: 2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

#61 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:04 am

Teban54 wrote:
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HurricaneRyan wrote:At the moment, Gilbert is the costliest hurricane in Jamaican history at 2.98 billion (1988 USD). Wouldn't take much for Melissa to break that unfortunately :(


This could be the costliest hurricane on record that did not significantly affect the US. I'm not sure what storm currently has that mark? (Meaning the US did not experience at least tropical storm conditions or major flooding impacts)

I'm basing off Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, but:

List of highest monetary damages of Atlantic hurricanes in non-US territories: (Non-normalized USD, excluding Puerto Rico and USVI)

  1. Irma 2017: $25.07 billion
  2. Ike 2008: $8 billion
  3. Matthew 2016: $6.47 billion
  4. Wilma 2005: $6.34 billion
  5. Mitch 1998: $6.04 billion
  6. Eta 2020: $5.59 billion
  7. Ike 2008: $5.57 billion
  8. Stan 2005: $3.96 billion
  9. Karl 2010: $3.9 billion
  10. Sandy 2012: $3.68 billion
  11. Dorian 2019: $3.48 billion
  12. Georges 1998: $3.37 billion
  13. Gilbert 1988: $2.98 billion
  14. Luis 1995: $2.81 billion (plus any Virgin Islands damage in US territories)
  15. Michelle 2001: $2.35 billion
  16. Gustav 2008: $2.31 billion
  17. Debby 2024: $2 billion
  18. Marilyn 1995: $2 billion
  19. Beryl 2024: $1.85 billion
  20. Joan 1988: $1.85 billion
  21. Fifi 1974: $1.8 billion
  22. Dean 2007: <$1.66 billion
  23. Maria 2017: $1.61 billion
  24. Alex 2010: $1.52 billion
  25. Hugo 1989: $1.51 billion
  26. Roxanne 1995: $1.5 billion
  27. Ingrid 2013: $1.5 billion
  28. Dennis 2004: $1.48 billion
  29. Iota 2020: $1.4 billion
  30. Rafael 2024: $1.35 billion
  31. David 1979: $1.22 billion
  32. Fiona 2022: $1.09 billion

This list simply removes all monetary damage in the US and its territories from overall costs. To meet your stricter criterion that the storm must not have impacted the US at all (not even as a TS like Mitch), the costliest is Stan 2005 at almost $4 billion. Melissa will almost certainly surpass that.

Whether Melissa could replace Irma's $25 billion as incurring the greatest cost outside the US remains a question.


I never even thought about that one! I know for the whole hemisphere, Otis is by far the costliest to not affect the US.
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Re: 2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

#62 Postby Teban54 » Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:20 am

HurricaneRyan wrote:At the moment, Gilbert is the costliest hurricane in Jamaican history at 2.98 billion (1988 USD). Wouldn't take much for Melissa to break that unfortunately :(

$2.98 billion is the total damage of Gilbert in all countries along its path. Its damage in Jamaica was a mere $700 million.

In fact, I believe that Wikipedia's mention of Gilbert as the costliest Jamaica hurricane (without inflation adjustments) may already inaccurate even before Melissa. Beryl did $995 million's worth of damage to the country last year. (Edit: I'm not sure where the $995 million on Beryl's Wikipedia page came from.)
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Re: 2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

#63 Postby MadaTheConquistador » Fri Oct 31, 2025 12:53 pm

Right now, the current damage cost estimates in Jamaica for Melissa are around $7.7 billion (though it could easily be higher than that), making it the costliest Atlantic hurricane to not affect the U.S. (and could even surpass Otis as the costliest storm in its hemisphere to not affect the U.S. as well) and the death toll right now is over 50, though that is likely to keep on going up and could even be triple digit sadly, and at this point, Melissa's a slam dunk for retirement. She could even surpass Hugo as the costliest storm on List 5 too.

Once she's retired, she'll be the:
100th name to be retired in the Atlantic basin.
8th "M" named storm be retired, and 5th one since 2016 to be retired as well. (I guess the "M curse" is real!) :eek:
Second third gen name after Ian (and first female third gen name) to be retired (and all 3 of these have been mentioned in earlier comments too)
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Re: 2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

#64 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Dec 03, 2025 3:03 am

My overall thoughts on the Atlantic side:

ANDREA

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak, short-lived storm with no land/shipping impacts.
My probability of retirement: 0%


BARRY

Case FOR retirement: The storm's remnants played a role in the deadly Texas floods that claimed 135 lives and affected places like Camp Mystic; this event was also a hot news topic for a while. We saw in 2023 how a storm that plays a minor role in a separate, deadly disaster can get its name retired (Dora in the EPAC with the Maui fires it helped fuel).
Case AGAINST retirement: The system peaked as a weak, short-lived storm, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of public awareness that Barry itself was responsible for the flooding catastrophe.
My probability of retirement: 5%


CHANTAL

Case FOR retirement: Not much
Case AGAINST retirement: The system was overall a very minor storm for the Carolinas.
My probability of retirement: 0%


DEXTER

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak storm with no land/shipping impacts.
My probability of retirement: 0%


ERIN

Case FOR retirement: The system's precursor caused destructive floods in Cape Verde, which rarely see such major impacts from bona fide tropical cyclones and only recently joined the WMO Hurricane Committee in 2021. An example of a country requesting a name to be retired despite being impacted by said system's precursor would be Costa Rica in 2017, when they were heavily affected by the tropical depression that ultimately became Nate just east of Nicaragua.
Case AGAINST retirement: The system was overall a very low-impact storm for the Greater Antilles and the Eastern Seaboard, mainly causing rough waves and beach erosion. Additionally, how strong of a connection Cape Verde will make between Erin and the floods, let alone whether the country deems the floods to be memorable and significant, is hazy and subject to varying interpretations.
My probability of retirement: 10%


FERNAND

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak storm with no land/shipping impacts.
My probability of retirement: 0%


GABRIELLE

Case FOR retirement: Not much
Case AGAINST retirement: The system impacted the Azores and caused $11 million in damage and a single fatality; the Azores has seen much worse hurricanes/ex-hurricanes before that ultimately didn't get retired.
My probability of retirement: 0%


HUMBERTO

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a Category 5 hurricane with no land/shipping impacts. A meteorological wonder and giant that ultimately turned out harmless.
My probability of retirement: 0%


IMELDA

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system brought minor impacts to the Greater Antilles, Bahamas, and Bermuda; overall, there was nothing alarming or noteworthy about this system aside from the cool interaction it had with Humberto that ultimately prevented a CONUS landfall.
My probability of retirement: 0%


JERRY

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak storm with no land/shipping impacts.
My probability of retirement: 0%


KAREN

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak, short-lived storm with no land/shipping impacts.
My probability of retirement: 0%


LORENZO

Case FOR retirement: None
Case AGAINST retirement: The system went OTS as a weak, short-lived storm with no land/shipping impacts. A far cry from the 2019 version of it, I will say.
My probability of retirement: 0%


MELISSA

Case FOR retirement: The system brought historic, devastating impacts to Jamaica and heavy impacts to Eastern Cuba as among the top-tier Atlantic hurricanes ever recorded. It may also end up as among the costliest Atlantic hurricanes to not impact the CONUS or its territories.
Case AGAINST retirement: None
My probability of retirement: 100% :Can:
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Re: 2025 Tropical Cyclone Name Retirements (Including but not limited to the Atlantic Basin)

#65 Postby Ernestt » Wed Dec 03, 2025 8:19 am

CrazyC83 wrote:
Teban54 wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:
This could be the costliest hurricane on record that did not significantly affect the US. I'm not sure what storm currently has that mark? (Meaning the US did not experience at least tropical storm conditions or major flooding impacts)

I'm basing off Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, but:

List of highest monetary damages of Atlantic hurricanes in non-US territories: (Non-normalized USD, excluding Puerto Rico and USVI)

  1. Irma 2017: $25.07 billion
  2. Ike 2008: $8 billion
  3. Matthew 2016: $6.47 billion
  4. Wilma 2005: $6.34 billion
  5. Mitch 1998: $6.04 billion
  6. Eta 2020: $5.59 billion
  7. Ike 2008: $5.57 billion
  8. Stan 2005: $3.96 billion
  9. Karl 2010: $3.9 billion
  10. Sandy 2012: $3.68 billion
  11. Dorian 2019: $3.48 billion
  12. Georges 1998: $3.37 billion
  13. Gilbert 1988: $2.98 billion
  14. Luis 1995: $2.81 billion (plus any Virgin Islands damage in US territories)
  15. Michelle 2001: $2.35 billion
  16. Gustav 2008: $2.31 billion
  17. Debby 2024: $2 billion
  18. Marilyn 1995: $2 billion
  19. Beryl 2024: $1.85 billion
  20. Joan 1988: $1.85 billion
  21. Fifi 1974: $1.8 billion
  22. Dean 2007: <$1.66 billion
  23. Maria 2017: $1.61 billion
  24. Alex 2010: $1.52 billion
  25. Hugo 1989: $1.51 billion
  26. Roxanne 1995: $1.5 billion
  27. Ingrid 2013: $1.5 billion
  28. Dennis 2004: $1.48 billion
  29. Iota 2020: $1.4 billion
  30. Rafael 2024: $1.35 billion
  31. David 1979: $1.22 billion
  32. Fiona 2022: $1.09 billion

This list simply removes all monetary damage in the US and its territories from overall costs. To meet your stricter criterion that the storm must not have impacted the US at all (not even as a TS like Mitch), the costliest is Stan 2005 at almost $4 billion. Melissa will almost certainly surpass that.

Whether Melissa could replace Irma's $25 billion as incurring the greatest cost outside the US remains a question.


I never even thought about that one! I know for the whole hemisphere, Otis is by far the costliest to not affect the US.


Hemisphere between 180 and 0 degrees I presume?

Also add Cyclone Senyar and Cyclone Ditwah to the list for causing > $20 billion USD and >1.5k deaths combined (mostly Senyar)
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