2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#561 Postby Ianswfl » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:15 pm

Category5Kaiju wrote:Even if it's just a weak TS, the fact that we're tracking the possibility of a storm forming in the MDR in June in a robust El Nino year is quite alarming. This isn't something you see in every El Nino year, let alone many Atlantic hurricane seasons in general regardless of ENSO state.


Personally, I'm thinking like 2004 but a bit more active. I mean, like 16-17 named storms, 5 majors. Not hyper active due to El Nino late in the season. Wouldn't be shocked if 3 of the majors became cat5 due to the heat.

I also think the Eastern Gulf is at high risk once again this season. Due to this strange westerly flow. Wouldn't shock me if we have another strike on the west coast of FL. :eek: Also, summer in 2004 started off cool too. This summer here in SWFL it's been VERY dry lately due to the flow.

This is why I'm pointing to 2004 which was a Florida heavily titled season. Why I think 2004 a good analog.

Makes you wonder would we see a July monster like Dennis?
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#562 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:26 am

Ianswfl wrote:Interesting how the northeast Gulf has been below normal.


Arlene sat out there in the eastern GOM for a few days dropping the temps there
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#563 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:34 am

The Atlantic ssta’s are going to counteract the El Niño if the ENSO is below +1.5 due to the Atlantic being ludicrously warm which may make this season behave more like a neutral season rather than the normal El Niño season

To which I have to ask, could we be talking about a hurricane season like 2004 or 1969 or are we talking a season like 2002
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#564 Postby JetFuel_SE » Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:54 am

Ianswfl wrote:Interesting how the northeast Gulf has been below normal.

Eh, pretty shallow waters there, can fluctuate quite quickly.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#565 Postby SFLcane » Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:44 am

Truly believe its going to be a much busier season then most think we can see some of the elements already. For who well that is impossible to predict 2 months out lots of variables sal, dry air even were genesis takes place.
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#566 Postby zzzh » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am

Rare to see tropical waves get lifted to the north of the Caribbean in June. Maybe we will see a big recurve season?
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#568 Postby St0rmTh0r » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:22 pm

more signs pointing to a heavy east coast year. lots of recurving storms though this year could be a 2004/2010 mix
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#569 Postby Ianswfl » Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:40 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:
Ianswfl wrote:Interesting how the northeast Gulf has been below normal.


Arlene sat out there in the eastern GOM for a few days dropping the temps there


The spring like flow is causing it. Mark talked about it in his video today! Also why the sea breeze storms all on the east coast. If this flow continues it i favorable for Gulf landfalls. That's what got Charley into SWFL that cool summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZx70c3l1A
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#570 Postby zzzh » Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:00 pm

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#571 Postby Category5Kaiju » Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:19 pm

The Atlantic Ocean sure is trying its absolute hardest to impress us Atlantic hurricane season trackers in the face of an impending El Nino :lol:
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#572 Postby Cpv17 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:18 am

The warming in the MDR has came to a stop for now. There’s even been some slight cooling in the past few days.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#573 Postby toad strangler » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:14 am

Cpv17 wrote:The warming in the MDR has came to a stop for now. There’s even been some slight cooling in the past few days.


Here is some context. SST's are still way, way, WAY warmer than historical average since 1981

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#574 Postby Cpv17 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:58 am

toad strangler wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:The warming in the MDR has came to a stop for now. There’s even been some slight cooling in the past few days.


Here is some context. SST's are still way, way, WAY warmer than historical average since 1981

http://i.ibb.co/FHDTB9b/Capture.jpg


Most definitely 100% agree. This hurricane season is really intriguing.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#575 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:22 pm

Sure El Niño coming? lol Complete opposite of what you’d expect.

 https://twitter.com/michaelrlowry/status/1669432095133913104


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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#576 Postby SFLcane » Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:54 pm

We are begging for trouble with those extreme ssts. :eek:
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#577 Postby SFLcane » Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:14 am

Looks interesting for Florida and Carolinas and even in the GOM. :eek:

 https://twitter.com/WorldClimateSvc/status/1669719953677725696




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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#578 Postby Woofde » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:19 pm

This is definitely going to be a interesting season. Very warm waters, with less dry air right now, we'll see. El nino trying to make it more difficult at the same time. Also interesting that the Atlantic "Enso" region does appear to be cooling a bit while the rest of the atlantic is very warm. No one season is the same as previous, which is partially why I love tracking the tropics so much.
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#579 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:14 pm

Woofde wrote:This is definitely going to be a interesting season. Very warm waters, with less dry air right now, we'll see. El nino trying to make it more difficult at the same time. Also interesting that the Atlantic "Enso" region does appear to be cooling a bit while the rest of the atlantic is very warm. No one season is the same as previous, which is partially why I love tracking the tropics so much.


I share a similar sentiment. 2023's shaping up to be a season that keeps trackers at the edge of their seats, it seems! :grrr:
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#580 Postby SFLcane » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:32 pm

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