This is the kind of scene that keeps people from evacuating
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you can bet on one of two things here:
One is that we might not really have the entire story and two, if we do, you can be sure there will be some investigation and disciplinary action taken.
But you have to ask yourself these questions: Was the area safe for the man to return? Maybe there were power lines still down or large pieces of debris blocking the roads, etc. Maybe there were still recovery efforts going on.
The media sometimes does the public a disservice by inflaming a situation rather than doing a little extra legwork and telling the WHOLE story.
Just something to think about.
One is that we might not really have the entire story and two, if we do, you can be sure there will be some investigation and disciplinary action taken.
But you have to ask yourself these questions: Was the area safe for the man to return? Maybe there were power lines still down or large pieces of debris blocking the roads, etc. Maybe there were still recovery efforts going on.
The media sometimes does the public a disservice by inflaming a situation rather than doing a little extra legwork and telling the WHOLE story.
Just something to think about.
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He was stupid for trying to go around the barricade. The police might not always be right, but you do what they say. If you don't like it, you can take action later.
As for people not leaving next time after seeing things like this, it's their own loss. As long as they know the risks, they can make their own decisions. Parents keeping their kids in evacuation zones is the only thing that ticks me off. Those kinds of people should be locked up.
Question: Would you rather be Taser-ed or beaten with a night stick? Personally, I'd take the shock.
As for people not leaving next time after seeing things like this, it's their own loss. As long as they know the risks, they can make their own decisions. Parents keeping their kids in evacuation zones is the only thing that ticks me off. Those kinds of people should be locked up.
Question: Would you rather be Taser-ed or beaten with a night stick? Personally, I'd take the shock.
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everyone is trying and desperate to get back to their homes, the police felt that it was too dangerous to go back. They are there to serve and PROTECT. If they let this guy go, then what is to prevent all of them to go, unless this guy was the president of the us. Just obey the law, nothing was going to change to wait another 24 hrs. What ever was left of his house had not changed in that time.
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There are no easy answers in this one.
People who can't get to their homes are living in shelters (if they're lucky), they're dealing with no power (or sparse generator power), no phones, and no water. Top that off with hellish heat and continuing rains.
Top that off with the fact that people are not just being prevented from "seeing" their homes, they are being prevented from protecting their homes against further damage. If a homeowner lost part of their roof in Charley and they didn't provide some coverage immediately (tarps, plastic) or move items to protected parts of the house, they likely suffered thousands of additional dollars in damage due to additional rains -- not to mention additional loss of family heirlooms, personal treasures.
And top that off with the fact that police officers also live in the communities they serve -- they are dealing with all the same conditions, frustrations, fears, and losses. And they don't make the decision as to whether people can re-enter an area, they just enforce the decisions.
My best guess is that no-one was on their best behavior that day and no one showed their best self.
But I think the real question should be, what are the conditions on the islands that have made them so unsafe that people can't return to their homes? As opposed to the inland homes? Have they truly been that unsafe or were they simply blocked because they could be (limited access)?
Did the government protect when no protection was needed or were there extenuating circumstances that made different rules for the islands a necessity?
People who can't get to their homes are living in shelters (if they're lucky), they're dealing with no power (or sparse generator power), no phones, and no water. Top that off with hellish heat and continuing rains.
Top that off with the fact that people are not just being prevented from "seeing" their homes, they are being prevented from protecting their homes against further damage. If a homeowner lost part of their roof in Charley and they didn't provide some coverage immediately (tarps, plastic) or move items to protected parts of the house, they likely suffered thousands of additional dollars in damage due to additional rains -- not to mention additional loss of family heirlooms, personal treasures.
And top that off with the fact that police officers also live in the communities they serve -- they are dealing with all the same conditions, frustrations, fears, and losses. And they don't make the decision as to whether people can re-enter an area, they just enforce the decisions.
My best guess is that no-one was on their best behavior that day and no one showed their best self.
But I think the real question should be, what are the conditions on the islands that have made them so unsafe that people can't return to their homes? As opposed to the inland homes? Have they truly been that unsafe or were they simply blocked because they could be (limited access)?
Did the government protect when no protection was needed or were there extenuating circumstances that made different rules for the islands a necessity?
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While I do think the police may have over-reacted, the whole incident could have been avoided if the general public used some common sense.
1) After a hurricane, it is NOT SAFE to return immediately. Give EMS crews 24 to 36 hours to clean up and secure the area.
2) Always take MULTIPLE FORMS OF ID with you. Take your driver's license, a copy of your utility bill, and or phone bill. Something with your residential address on it.
3) Cops don't know who you are. Follow their orders evertime.
1) After a hurricane, it is NOT SAFE to return immediately. Give EMS crews 24 to 36 hours to clean up and secure the area.
2) Always take MULTIPLE FORMS OF ID with you. Take your driver's license, a copy of your utility bill, and or phone bill. Something with your residential address on it.
3) Cops don't know who you are. Follow their orders evertime.
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IMHO, this is America. The Police are employees of the people and not the other way around. We don't live in a police state. Having said that, there are extenuating circumstances involved with the fact that the entire community is on edge so we have to understand it from both sides. Just the same, a taser is an extreme use of force. Someone should be fired. Heh. They'll probably get a medal though and if it goes to court, the jury will be convinced they were just doing their job (ala Rodney King, et al).
Troubling.
Steve
Troubling.
Steve
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We were way past your suggested 24-36 hours time period when this incident took place. This morning, Augsut 18, is the first time many people were allowed back in. Additionally, I've seen no indication that the gentleman in question did not have identification.
I expect the government to be held to the same standards -- why were the islands off limits while inland homes were not? There may indeed have been a valid reason, but I have yet to see one reported.
the whole incident could have been avoided if the general public used some common sense.
I expect the government to be held to the same standards -- why were the islands off limits while inland homes were not? There may indeed have been a valid reason, but I have yet to see one reported.
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Steve wrote:IMHO, this is America. The Police are employees of the people and not the other way around. We don't live in a police state. Having said that, there are extenuating circumstances involved with the fact that the entire community is on edge so we have to understand it from both sides. Just the same, a taser is an extreme use of force. Someone should be fired. Heh. They'll probably get a medal though and if it goes to court, the jury will be convinced they were just doing their job (ala Rodney King, et al).
Troubling.
Steve
Yeah, and what happens when they (law enforcement) let people back on an island with washed out roads, downed trees and power lines, and snakes, and somebody gets severly injured or killed? Now resources are taken away from shelters and such and used to take care of that problem. Then the homeowner's and media will scream and shout things like, "how could they let us go onto the island when it wasn't safe?" "The cops just let us back on the island when they knew it wasn't safe".
Island communities, especially, should have waivers as part of their emergency evacuation procedures. When you return to the point of entry to the island to return to your property after an evac., you must prove you live there (photo id with address), and sign a waiver stating that the county government will not be held responsible for any injuries or death that occurs during this time. If a homeowner wants to return to his/her property before it is completely safe, they should be allowed to as long as they agree to not hold the local government(s) liable for injuries.

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In tragedies such as these, natural gas lines could be exposed. If they are allowed back to their homes there could be an explosion and loss of life. THEN someone would want to sue. Until the area in question is safe police barricades are in place. The police are there to protect. I can understand the frustration, but when you try to defy the law in an unruly way expect this from police.
And Steve, this has nothing to do with Rodney King so there can't be any comparison.
And Steve, this has nothing to do with Rodney King so there can't be any comparison.
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I'd like to know why they only keep showing mobile homes that have been destroyed.
Wouldn't that give some people a false sense of security? "Well, only those mobile homes got blown to bits. I didn't see any regular houses get destroyed. I think I won't evacuate next time. My house is safe."
I think that's another scene that would keep people from evacuating.
Wouldn't that give some people a false sense of security? "Well, only those mobile homes got blown to bits. I didn't see any regular houses get destroyed. I think I won't evacuate next time. My house is safe."
I think that's another scene that would keep people from evacuating.
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Yeah, and what happens when they (law enforcement) let people back on an island with washed out roads, downed trees and power lines, and snakes
When I was in Wauchula this week, I saw ALL of the above (yes, even snakes). Yet I was not stopped. I'm not even a resident of the area, I was assisting an elderly relative who is a resident.
I think the island residents rightfully ask, "What makes our situation different?"
To date, the only feasible explanation I have heard as to why island residents were treated differently is because they could be.
I'm all ears for a better explanation.
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