ATL: Tropical Depression Fay

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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5181 Postby TCmet » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:04 am

Stephanie wrote:gator - I think that's a pretty big miss and a heck of a right turn. There will need to be something that will have to kick it that way, even if the ridge is breaking down.

Mets??


my impression of the cone is that NHC has a general sense of their average track uncertainties, and then just apply those to their best guess fcst path. I don't think they put too much thought into the actual boundaries of the cone beyond that.

therefore - i wouldn't read too much into the exact boundaries of the cone - just that they are allowing for significant uncertainty in the later periods of the forecast.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5182 Postby gtsmith » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:05 am

IR presentation with respect to where the center is....is horrible...i'll be damnded if i can tell where the COC is....
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5183 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:07 am

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#5184 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:09 am

Does anyone else see the LLC near 19.5 74.5?

It shows up well on the Ramsdis floater........

http://www.cira.colostate.edu/cira/RAMM ... pical.html
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#5185 Postby Aquawind » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:11 am

POOF..Do it Fay!! Decouple and wave out baby.
:lol:
Go away today I say.. Wishfull thinking I know.
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#5186 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:13 am

She appears to be making a more WNW turn and will hit the south coast of eastern Cuba if that is the center I'm seeing.
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#5187 Postby tgenius » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:13 am

Aquawind wrote:POOF..Do it Fay!! Decouple and wave out baby.
:lol:
Go away today I say.. Wishfull thinking I know.


You are not the only one.. my birthday is Monday! My wife is taking me to Smith and Wollensky on the beach Monday night... which doesn't seem like a good idea now :(
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5188 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:13 am

If seems like some of the danger may have decreased from this storm due to the potential eastern path....This board was crazy last night compared to this morning..... Let's hope that it does go east of Florida so that the tropical storm can bring some much needed rains to some areas.....
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#5189 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:15 am

That is the LLC near 19.5N 74.5W moving WNW

See the Ramsdis Floater.........

http://www.cira.colostate.edu/cira/RAMM ... pical.html
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#5190 Postby Aquawind » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:16 am

Dean4Storms wrote:She appears to be making a more WNW turn and will hit the south coast of eastern Cuba if that is the center I'm seeing.



The convection and clouds to the West and North are increasing and expanding in coverage. That would be part of the process. I can not make the center out yet though.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5191 Postby tailgater » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:17 am

TCmet wrote:it will be interesting to see what recon finds in a little bit - this will be the first true center fix since the upgrade to TS.

should help to initialize the models a bit better too - esp finer scale models like HWRF.

Yeah, just looking at radar you might think the center was near 18.5N and 75W
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#5192 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:18 am

This is GREAT NEWS!!!!!
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5193 Postby tampastorm » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:20 am

I thinks its a catch 22, the main convection seems down but the outflow is expanding. Not sure what is going on?
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#5194 Postby cpdaman » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:22 am

Dean4Storms wrote:Does anyone else see the LLC near 19.5 74.5?

It shows up well on the Ramsdis floater........

http://www.cira.colostate.edu/cira/RAMM ... pical.html


i see an elongated NW/SE center and i think what you see is the NW most extension of that

the mountains are crippling this storm still (i think maybe a lag effect) mountains to the S, se, e NE, nw geez this needs to get further west to be more favorable water enviornment i think



also i heard it speculated that weaker means more west but looking at the current cimss steering flow it appears to me that does not jive with the low level steering flow
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#5195 Postby rockyman » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:23 am

Sure looks like the LLC might become exposed in the next few hours...and it appears to be heading WNW toward the SE Cuban coast

Edit: Hey, Dean...just saw where you'd already posted a similar comment. :)
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#5196 Postby Stephanie » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:24 am

Dean4Storms wrote:She appears to be making a more WNW turn and will hit the south coast of eastern Cuba if that is the center I'm seeing.


Thanks for that link. I did see the swirl above the original one and the original one looks like it's getting sucked up into it.
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#5197 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:25 am

rockyman wrote:Sure looks like the LLC might become exposed in the next few hours...and it appears to be heading WNW toward the SE Cuban coast


Exactly, that is the LLC and it appears it has decoupled from the mid/upper MLC to the SE.
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#5198 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:25 am

Dean4Storms wrote:This is GREAT NEWS!!!!!



HEHE, I agree....I'm feeling MUCH better this morning than I was last night....Last night was a bit scary, thinking what horrible intensity this could have become had it got into the warm bath waters of the gulf...... Of course, let's cross our fingers that the models don't switch back again...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Fay

#5199 Postby Noles2006 » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:26 am

I do see a circulation near 74.5/19.4...

But I am only seeing a (small) north of west movement for now...

Folks are certainly breathing easier this morning around here this morning.
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#5200 Postby Dean4Storms » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:27 am

By the time Recon gets there it will be close to the south coast of eastern Cuba.
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