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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1741 Postby JaxGator » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:14 am

La Sirena wrote:
JaxGator wrote:So in Joe B's outlook, there's the big ridge over the northeast and the trough in the Rockies. The ridge is strong enough to pull Matthew toward the coast but there is another trough coming in from the east. Complex pattern. Back to the now, Matthew is definitely strengthening and more south it looks like. Very impressive and deadly.

So, would the trough in the east pull it up the EC and/or OTS?


That's Joe's thinking but he also said it wasn't a done deal yet. The UKMET still has the trough weak and Matthew plowing into Florida. East Coast not in the clear yet but there is the chance for an escape route.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1742 Postby NotoSans » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:14 am

Latest recon pass supports an initial intensity of around 95 kt. The pressure seems to have leveled off though which suggests RI may have came to an end.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1743 Postby OuterBanker » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:15 am

After seeing latest Euro I am feeling better. Praying for Jamaica, Cuba and Bahamas. But, a little more optimistic about CONUS strike. Looks like OTS is the most likely scenario. Thank God, Matthew looks like a monster that no one wants.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1744 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:16 am

otterlyspicey wrote:From what I gather, the east coast looks to be clear, just like it has been for at least 24 hours now or more. Yes waves and tides and rip currents will be an issue and possibly some breezes :flag: ...but there's just nothing showing a likely scenario that involves a landfalling hurricane on the east coast. Every model run makes it more and more likely Matthew stays hundreds of miles to the east. And with Matthew's more southerly track, instead of more westerly track that he's taken this morning... I would assume that when the north movement begins, he won't be able to get as far west as earlier models. So I would think (not a forecast) that 12z models are more east? :?: :?: Maybe? But regardless, those poor people in the Caribbean. They have a monster to deal with.

I'll consider myself in the clear after it is passed us. Until then were not spared yet.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1745 Postby Shuriken » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:22 am

What are the odds Matthew friction-drags farther than expected southwest along Venezuela into the "pocket" east of Nicaragua, refuses to lift out, and instead festers while ramping up like Mitch did back in '98?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1746 Postby AutoPenalti » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:23 am

JaxGator wrote:
La Sirena wrote:
JaxGator wrote:So in Joe B's outlook, there's the big ridge over the northeast and the trough in the Rockies. The ridge is strong enough to pull Matthew toward the coast but there is another trough coming in from the east. Complex pattern. Back to the now, Matthew is definitely strengthening and more south it looks like. Very impressive and deadly.

So, would the trough in the east pull it up the EC and/or OTS?


That's Joe's thinking but he also said it wasn't a done deal yet. The UKMET still has the trough weak and Matthew plowing into Florida. East Coast not in the clear yet but there is the chance for an escape route.


NASA model still seems to keep it worst case scenario, don't know how reliable it is though. People around this board said that it forecasted Sandy correctly.

http://portal.nccs.nasa.gov/cgi-fp/fp_w ... 00&&loop=1

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1747 Postby NDG » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:26 am

caneman wrote:
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caneman wrote:
I disagree with this. Because it was formed already those things had less impact. Very rarely if ever will a system form in that area, I believe due to those down sloping winds. Maybe an expert can chime in but in my many years of watching these things, the South American affect is real in newly developing systems.


If anything, getting closer to South America helped Matthew strengthen, staying away from the low level jet over the middle of the Caribbean Sea between Hispaniola & S.A., that's the real killer, not down slopping winds from the S.A. Mountains, IMO.
Felix '07 did the same thing, I remember many forecasters back then calling it to weaken or not strengthen much because of "downslopping winds off of the S.A. mountains but it also went over rapid intensification in this same general area.


Again those are rare in that area. I think since Matthew was developed it had less if any impact. I've not seen any evidence of increase in low level jet in that area. In reality it could be more than just one thing. Either way, we need to get back on topic.


We are on topic, and is one that needs to be studied, Felix entered the eastern Caribbean as a weak TS and it strengthened into a Major Hurricane even closer to S.A.
All I am saying is that if either Felix or Matthew would been further away from SA over the middle of Caribbean closer to Hispaniola they would had not strengthened line they did.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1748 Postby NDG » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:27 am

BTW, there was an unflagged 99 knot wind by SFMR with 103 flight level winds.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1749 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:34 am

It's all about the turn now, and the speed of motion after the turn. The models agree pretty well about the overall synoptic pattern minus a few differences, but timing of the turn is obviously huge for Jamaica, Cuba and Haiti. I probably wont watch the models much tomorrow, instead looking for whether the system starts to slow down more and get ready to turn.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1750 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:34 am

NDG wrote:BTW, there was an unflagged 99 knot wind by SFMR with 103 flight level winds.


I don't think they will go higher than 95 kt winds yet personally.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1751 Postby sunnyday » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:34 am

What day should we get the final info indicating location and time of landfall, the one that isn't going to be drastically changing and that we can trust as accurate?
Thank you for the info...
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1752 Postby bqknight » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:35 am

NDG wrote:It looks to me that is going to get real close to the northern tip of Colombia.

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What is the link to this radar site?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1753 Postby NDG » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:36 am

Pressure down to 969 mb per latest VDM

H. 969 mb
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1754 Postby Aric Dunn » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:38 am

its slightly moving just south of west from the NHC track..
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1755 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:38 am

bqknight wrote:
NDG wrote:It looks to me that is going to get real close to the northern tip of Colombia.

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What is the link to this radar site?


Wow that's close to SA coastline.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1756 Postby NDG » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:38 am

bqknight wrote:
NDG wrote:It looks to me that is going to get real close to the northern tip of Colombia.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/ ... lrcl4c.gif


What is the link to this radar site?


I'm away from my laptop where I have the link to it.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1757 Postby gatorcane » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:38 am

looks to be dropping quite a be SW looking at the radar.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1758 Postby GCANE » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:39 am

Eyewall is contracting rather rapidly. Pinhole?

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... lay48.html
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1759 Postby p1nheadlarry » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:39 am

Coldest cloudtops right at the northern eyewall, Matt's going places.

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:If NHC thinks this is only going to intensify 15-20kt over 4 days, I have some oceanfront property in Switzerland to sell them. The storm should only gradually intensify through tomorrow, but rapid intensification is a distinct possibility thereafter. There's a reason the GFS/ECMWF/HWRF all have a Category 4 hurricane. This happened with Gaston too.


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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#1760 Postby drezee » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:40 am

NotoSans wrote:Latest recon pass supports an initial intensity of around 95 kt. The pressure seems to have leveled off though which suggests RI may have came to an end.

since when is a 3 mb drop in 1.6 hours leveling off??? 1.8+ mbar/hr :D :D

NHC: a drop of 1.75 mbar/hour or 42 mbars in a day
Still RI...
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