question about -removed-

[Sanibel]

I guess the only person who can legitimately wishcast a bomber towards him is one who lives in a reinforced dome. But even then it is insensitive to his neighbors...

[HurryKane]

What separates people who want to experience a hurricane from those who don't is often, in my experience, a mortgage.

There is not enough WORD in the world to sufficiently word that sentiment. WORD!

You haven't experienced a hurricane if several model runs point at your house and you feel a tingle of excitement. If you feel like you're going to throw up, you probably have, or seen the effects.

I'll have to give a big ol' WORD to that, too. When the models had Ivan running right over my house less than 48 hours before landfall, I nearly vomited.

I don't let the loss of my personal belongings "CHANGE MY LIFE"
yikes... it's life...

You can't tell me that the financial and emotional hit of losing everything--or even just some things--doesn't change your life in some way. Whether it be recovering financially, dealing with insurance adjusters, dealing with job stresses/losses, or just plain post-cane stress, your life will not be the same for a measurable amount of time.

[The Big Dog]

sorry to hear all this, i will keep my ideas to myself dont wish anyone no harm, need to close this topic i guess, didnt mean to start anything here, maybe you are right, i have lived in hurricane but never lost my home tried to lose a car once, but that didnt work, i mgith feel different if i had lost something but i cant help but to like the excitment of watching and tracking these things, ok if i say i like that part but do not want them to hit land will you still be mad at me, really sorry for your lose and tough times. i do feel your pain and will try hard to keep my big mouth shut

No, this is a good topic. We need to hear this every now and then. We need those who have experienced the worst to remind us that this is not a game. We have a lot of people on this board who like to wishcast, but please note that, for the most part, they are not answering this thread because they know who they are, and they know how we realists feel about them. There are others who I feel are just plain irresponsible with their forecasts, and yet others who are simply alarmists, saying something shocking to get attention. The worst ones are those who are not even in harm's way, yet love to watch the destruction. But it's the Internet -- what can you do? Everyone's a journalist. Stick around long enough, and you'll get to know who to follow and who to dismiss.

And yes, I think that comment about the mortgage is true. I had the joy of closing on my place three days before Jeanne, and moving in two days after. And I was trying to negotiate the deal, get financing, etc., etc., while Frances was coming toward us. The whole month of September was a blur. At the same time, I was also very concerned about my parents, both in their late '60s, who would have a nearly impossible time starting over from scratch. I fear losing their house would be the end of them.

I strongly disagree with Jax, but at least he stands up and admits it, for whatever it's worth. Still, I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd want to keep rebuilding your life over and over.

[Thunder44]

I'm sorry about how some of you feel, but this is a board for weather enthusiasts. This is not a board to pity one another for their disaster stories. If people choose to get their info here, then that's fine. But when you come here you should expect that people are going to be fascinated with hurricanes and want to experience the storm.

If some of you feel differently after you experience a storm than that's unfortunate but that's alright. Just please stop chastising others wanting storms. This board become less fun when you are being critized for hyping up a storm. If you don't like it than I suggest you don't come here.

[wolfmmiii]

While I feel for those that have been through a hurricane, why do those who've been through one get so upset with someone who wishcasts one to there own location? If I wishcast a storm to Reading, PA, why should a hurricane survivor in Florida get so upset?

It's my life being affected, not his. To take it a step further, I've not yet seen one case where -removed- actually caused a storm to strike a certain area.

If I say, "I want TD10 to become a CAT4 and make landfall in my backyard", those who have experienced a landfall would be more helpful by responding with "That's probably a bad idea because......" - not ripping me for -removed-.

Just my $0.02

[jax]

sorry to hear all this, i will keep my ideas to myself dont wish anyone no harm, need to close this topic i guess, didnt mean to start anything here, maybe you are right, i have lived in hurricane but never lost my home tried to lose a car once, but that didnt work, i mgith feel different if i had lost something but i cant help but to like the excitment of watching and tracking these things, ok if i say i like that part but do not want them to hit land will you still be mad at me, really sorry for your lose and tough times. i do feel your pain and will try hard to keep my big mouth shut

No, this is a good topic. We need to hear this every now and then. We need those who have experienced the worst to remind us that this is not a game. We have a lot of people on this board who like to wishcast, but please note that, for the most part, they are not answering this thread because they know who they are, and they know how we realists feel about them. There are others who I feel are just plain irresponsible with their forecasts, and yet others who are simply alarmists, saying something shocking to get attention. The worst ones are those who are not even in harm's way, yet love to watch the destruction. But it's the Internet -- what can you do? Everyone's a journalist. Stick around long enough, and you'll get to know who to follow and who to dismiss.

And yes, I think that comment about the mortgage is true. I had the joy of closing on my place three days before Jeanne, and moving in two days after. And I was trying to negotiate the deal, get financing, etc., etc., while Frances was coming toward us. The whole month of September was a blur. At the same time, I was also very concerned about my parents, both in their late '60s, who would have a nearly impossible time starting over from scratch. I fear losing their house would be the end of them.

I strongly disagree with Jax, but at least he stands up and admits it, for whatever it's worth. Still, I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd want to keep rebuilding your life over and over.

i don't want to keep building my life over... all i'm saying is... get off
your pitty pot. If a storm comes... and takes my house... That Sucks...
but it's ok... i'll make it... gotta keep my family safe.. but we'll be ok.
It doesn't matter if i want t storm to come here or not... it doesn't
matter if i want a storm to go away from me and go to you... it doesn't
matter! The storm is gonna go where it's going to go. if you don't want
it to come at you... it doesn't matter. If I hope a storm comes at me...
and you live near me... don't blame me if it does come here... and don't
get offended that i'm ok with it coming here... this isn't personal... it's
sientific. I'll be blount... If a storm comes here and I lose my houses,
cars, boats ect... I can handle it! I just need to make sure I get my
family and friends out of harms way. I'll help my neibors clean there
yards... I WON"T sit around and screeam at the govenment for not
meeting my needs... I can get me needs met, God willing.

[caribepr]

Oh my! This thread is getting really bizarre. Probably most people can't relate to someone who has lost much and acts pretty arrogantly about it. Or who hasn't been through a storm but wants one to hit them. I think Weatherwoman, the original poster expressed what seems to be the most common feeling I've picked up which is...the fascination of a storm, its development, and the bit of thrill when it is close, without wanting the damage. A dichotomy perhaps but usually being a human will do that on occasion.
The one thing I am really happy to have NOT seen is - my story is worse than yours. Rather there seems to be a shared empathy in those who have gone through the worst and come out stronger for it. I suppose that is why seeing someone express such a radical departure from that attitude - as a grating one. Nice if you have the means to replace all, good on ya, but that isn't the case with most.
And one more thing. Those who have suffered severly (I don't mean lost their electric for 2 days either) - are NOT having a pity party. This IS a tropical weather board and the highs are as valid as the lows. This is a community here. While some are more involved than others, and weather is the primary *gatherer* - the people posting here are just that...people. With lives, families etc. To say, ONLY focus on the weather and not be willing to include the results of it, the impact of it, is something I can't fathom. Maybe if you were in a science club in high school that might apply, but if the kid next to you blows up for some reason...I imagine some might care and oh dear! express it!

[fci]

What separates people who want to experience a hurricane from those who don't is often, in my experience, a mortgage.

or owns a business that has to shut down for storms and sees business tank for a while afterwards while people put their lives back together (if they are lucky enough to NOT have to put their own life back together!).

[fci]

It can be very difficult not to wishcast sometimes. I knew better, but with Irene I kept hearing about people swearing NHC was wrong and a High was setting in so when the convection pulled west I thought I was seeing a west tendency. There's a very strong psychological effect in thinking you have the track figured out. Two days before I called for recurve and should have stuck with it.

The same thing is setting up with TD10 and it is already pulling-up. The best way to avoid -removed- is to learn the NHC terms and study their synoptic reasoning.

Another thing that is hard to resist is sniping minor errors in other's posts. It should be avoided because it causes too much "noise" on the board...

I'm with you.
The horror stories are so real and when we live in "hurricane zones"; we are in danger of going through what some posters here have.

I think the analogy above of taking everything and dousing it (basically destroy everything) is very good.
Would ANYONE volunteer to do that?

It's well and good to "say" all that matters is protecting family and when all is said and done; it is only partly true.
We save and labor all our lives to provide for our family and then a storm can undo it all and make our lives miserable.
Yes, we have our families and faith and thank the lord to be alive; but the hardship can be unfathomable (I read with sadness the stories from those above in the thread who lost everything).

Jax, I get your point but you have obviously not walked in their shoes to experience the heartache and loss a storm can deal out.

Most of us are here due to the fascination with the fury of Mother Nature. We follow the storms (hundred of pages of threads jumping on every nuance) and kind of wish for it to get here and the "fun" of watching her glory and wrath and how Mother Nature can be so powerful. However, our better judgement SHOULD take over and hope that they miss.

As a kid it is a thrill to see it, follow it and experience it.
As an adult it is frightening that you have NO CONTROL over your destiny and can loss it all.

Finally, for those infer that living by the coast means we "deserve" a storm; you are ignorant.

[fci]

I'm sorry about how some of you feel, but this is a board for weather enthusiasts. This is not a board to pity one another for their disaster stories. If people choose to get their info here, then that's fine. But when you come here you should expect that people are going to be fascinated with hurricanes and want to experience the storm.

If some of you feel differently after you experience a storm than that's unfortunate but that's alright. Just please stop chastising others wanting storms. This board become less fun when you are being critized for hyping up a storm. If you don't like it than I suggest you don't come here.

Maybe your idea of fun is a little screwed up my friend.

[artist]

Jax - just curious - what kind of damage did you go through? and do you mind my asking your age at the time as well?

[fci]

While I feel for those that have been through a hurricane, why do those who've been through one get so upset with someone who wishcasts one to there own location? If I wishcast a storm to Reading, PA, why should a hurricane survivor in Florida get so upset?

It's my life being affected, not his. To take it a step further, I've not yet seen one case where -removed- actually caused a storm to strike a certain area.

If I say, "I want TD10 to become a CAT4 and make landfall in my backyard", those who have experienced a landfall would be more helpful by responding with "That's probably a bad idea because......" - not ripping me for -removed-.

Just my $0.02

Maybe because while you want one in your backyard, you probably have neighbors who don't.
And someone else on the board might be that neighbor!

Unless you live on your own isolated island; your statement is absurd .... and selfish

[fci]

sorry to hear all this, i will keep my ideas to myself dont wish anyone no harm, need to close this topic i guess, didnt mean to start anything here, maybe you are right, i have lived in hurricane but never lost my home tried to lose a car once, but that didnt work, i mgith feel different if i had lost something but i cant help but to like the excitment of watching and tracking these things, ok if i say i like that part but do not want them to hit land will you still be mad at me, really sorry for your lose and tough times. i do feel your pain and will try hard to keep my big mouth shut

No, this is a good topic. We need to hear this every now and then. We need those who have experienced the worst to remind us that this is not a game. We have a lot of people on this board who like to wishcast, but please note that, for the most part, they are not answering this thread because they know who they are, and they know how we realists feel about them. There are others who I feel are just plain irresponsible with their forecasts, and yet others who are simply alarmists, saying something shocking to get attention. The worst ones are those who are not even in harm's way, yet love to watch the destruction. But it's the Internet -- what can you do? Everyone's a journalist. Stick around long enough, and you'll get to know who to follow and who to dismiss.

And yes, I think that comment about the mortgage is true. I had the joy of closing on my place three days before Jeanne, and moving in two days after. And I was trying to negotiate the deal, get financing, etc., etc., while Frances was coming toward us. The whole month of September was a blur. At the same time, I was also very concerned about my parents, both in their late '60s, who would have a nearly impossible time starting over from scratch. I fear losing their house would be the end of them.

I strongly disagree with Jax, but at least he stands up and admits it, for whatever it's worth. Still, I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd want to keep rebuilding your life over and over.

i don't want to keep building my life over... all i'm saying is... get off
your pitty pot. If a storm comes... and takes my house... That Sucks...
but it's ok... i'll make it... gotta keep my family safe.. but we'll be ok.
It doesn't matter if i want t storm to come here or not... it doesn't
matter if i want a storm to go away from me and go to you... it doesn't
matter! The storm is gonna go where it's going to go. if you don't want
it to come at you... it doesn't matter. If I hope a storm comes at me...
and you live near me... don't blame me if it does come here... and don't
get offended that i'm ok with it coming here... this isn't personal... it's
sientific. I'll be blount... If a storm comes here and I lose my houses,
cars, boats ect... I can handle it! I just need to make sure I get my
family and friends out of harms way. I'll help my neibors clean there
yards... I WON"T sit around and screeam at the govenment for not
meeting my needs... I can get me needs met, God willing.

Well your post certainly paints a good picture of who are dealing with!

[jax]

Jax - just curious - what kind of damage did you go through? and do you mind my asking your age at the time as well?

Elena blew the front and back walls out and the surge put all our
stuff in the trees...

Camille we had less than a foot of surge in the house

Frederic we had a pine tree down on the roof...

[artist]

thanks for answering - do you mind telling your age at those times?

[jax]

you know what i like about after a storm... when everyone is
safe and accounted for....
I like the families that come together and clean up together,
rebuild together, recover together, discover together.
I like the way we all pull out all the food from the freezer and
the whole block has a big cookout under coleman lanterns after
a hard days work. I like the unity and strenght our comunity
shares in an experience like that. I hate that it takes something
like a hurricane to bring us together like that... but it's one hell
of an experience.

[Thunder44]

I'm sorry about how some of you feel, but this is a board for weather enthusiasts. This is not a board to pity one another for their disaster stories. If people choose to get their info here, then that's fine. But when you come here you should expect that people are going to be fascinated with hurricanes and want to experience the storm.

If some of you feel differently after you experience a storm than that's unfortunate but that's alright. Just please stop chastising others wanting storms. This board become less fun when you are being critized for hyping up a storm. If you don't like it than I suggest you don't come here.

Maybe your idea of fun is a little screwed up my friend.

And what is exactly is your idea of fun?

[jasons2k]

It's one thing to be fascinated and interested in storms, to have a bit of adrenaline when you're in the cone, to have that part inside of you (maybe the kid in you) that desires to see mother nature and her raw power. I think most of us here have at least some of that in them. Hey even I'll admit when TS Faye was out in the GOM a few years ago I actually took a long lunch and drove to Galveston to get a little taste myself.

But it's quite another thing to really, truly want a monster major hurricane in your own back yard. Anyone in their right mind who has been through it, and had to live through the aftermath (which excludes "storm chasers" and "thrill seekers" b/c they get to go home) would never want to go thru that again.

I would wager that most people on this board raining on the storm parade, so to speak, has been through it before and doesn't want to go through it ever again.

And I would also wager that anyone here who wishcasts for a storm in their own backyard has never lived through one themselves, or at least lived through an Andrew or a Carla that wiped their neighborhood. Any sane person would only make that mistake once.

Jax may be the exception, but I think those posts speak for themselves.

[sfwx]

Storms use to excite me but a lot has changed since last year. As of today, my classroom has a roof, the air conditioning is working, the walls and floor are replaced. The children's homes are, for the most part, back to normal. I smell no sewage in my neighborhood, I can go to the stores and buy refrigerated items. There are no gas shortages. The shelves are full of tarps, bottled water, generators, medicine, food and necessities. I'm teaching instead of missing a month of work. All is well. If a storm comes again, we'll be ready, but I won't be excited about it.

Eric

[fci]

I'm sorry about how some of you feel, but this is a board for weather enthusiasts. This is not a board to pity one another for their disaster stories. If people choose to get their info here, then that's fine. But when you come here you should expect that people are going to be fascinated with hurricanes and want to experience the storm.

If some of you feel differently after you experience a storm than that's unfortunate but that's alright. Just please stop chastising others wanting storms. This board become less fun when you are being critized for hyping up a storm. If you don't like it than I suggest you don't come here.

Maybe your idea of fun is a little screwed up my friend.

And what is exactly is your idea of fun?

My idea of fun as it relates to this board:
-Conjecture of what a storm will do based on real data.
Hopefully provided by Pro Mets and informed amateurs.

-Understanding better what a storm is going to do and then seeing it happen

-Learning more about storms so I can better understand what is going to happen next time more than what I know now.

That is my idea of fun in the Tropics section of S2K

Things NOT fun as it relates to this board:

-Hyping up a storm
-Reading posts by people who WISH to get hit by a storm.
-Outlandish predictions on storms by uninformed people with no basis for their predictions
-Nit pickers and word-smiths who attack the wording of posts
-Reading insensitive comments by immature people directed at those who have suffered from storms.

These are some of the things that are not fun in the Tropics Section of S2K

Hope I adequately answered your question.