Is profiling wrong?

[gtalum]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

And we let all the non-Arabs go without the extra security, and one of them blows up the plane. Wow, that really didn't work that well.

[sunny]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

And we let all the non-Arabs go without the extra security, and one of them blows up the plane. Wow, that really didn't work that well.

Didn't they just stop a guy in Oklahoma I think it was last week? An American. Had a bomb.

[GalvestonDuck]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

And we let all the non-Arabs go without the extra security, and one of them blows up the plane. Wow, that really didn't work that well.

I never said let them go. I just answered OHD's question about how to differentiate between the jihad-hooting, allahu-akbar-yelling extremists and the civil Muslims.

[JTD]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

Ummm...isn't this a political thread, GV? Why no "we're watching" from you here

[gtalum]

Didn't they just stop a guy in Oklahoma I think it was last week? An American. Had a bomb.

Yep, they sure did. And we weren't profiling. It worked pretty well, wouldn't you say?

For that matter, the existing airport security didn't even fail on 9/11. The hijackers used knives which were legal to carry on up to that point. A small adjustment of security procedures woul dhave remedied the situation, rather than the ineffective civil rights violations that frequently occur now.

[gtalum]

I never said let them go. I just answered OHD's question about how to differentiate between the jihad-hooting, allahu-akbar-yelling extremists and the civil Muslims.

But if the regular security screening is effective at spotting weapons, then why subject an entire class of people to a more thorough (thus by definition unconstitutional) screening?

[Stratosphere747]

Both sides in this issue have valid arguments, be it pro/con.

Though being that the PA is gone, it should be one of those discussions that is stopped before it becomes a true PA thread...

Scott

[GalvestonDuck]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

Ummm...isn't this a political thread, GV? Why no "we're watching" from you here

Well, we were discussing in a civilized manner and no one was getting into the
or Con v. Lib shenanigans. And yeah, we are still watching. Doesn't mean we can't participate either.

It's not political yet though. Neither is the death sentence discussion in the BTK thread.

If you disagree though, let me know. Heck, if you think I got political, let me know too.

[JTD]

So, how is one going to differentiate between male muslim extremists, and just regular male muslms?

By profiling them and screening them.

"Okay, you're safe...go ahead and board. Um...you? Nope, you need to come with us...and leave the bag."

Ummm...isn't this a political thread, GV? Why no "we're watching" from you here

Well, we were discussing in a civilized manner and no one was getting into the
or Con v. Lib shenanigans. And yeah, we are still watching. Doesn't mean we can't participate either.

It's not political yet though. Neither is the death sentence discussion in the BTK thread.

If you disagree though, let me know. Heck, if you think I got political, let me know too.

LOL! At that cartoon and I see your point now and when I think about it I see the potential is less in this thread than mine. Thanks for answering.

Anyway, the profiling that I object to is that that sees a black man stopped who is driving a nice car because of a white police officer thinking that he's not wealthy or smart enough to legitimately own one.

Profiling in this situation, however, re: terrorism, to my mind is perfectly legitimate. All mass casualty attacks in the last 9 years have been committed by this subset of our global community.

As much as I fervently disagree with them, white christian men are not terrorists in the 9/11 sense, so it would make no sense to profile them. And the Timothy Mcveigh's are few and far between.

[Astro_man92]

Hmm, you forgot the oklahoma bombings and most of the failed terrorist plots here in good ole American were white Americans. Oh I see, you didn't want to show that right...

Which failed terrorist plots?

Of course, you can't always profile every group. After all, aren't many child molestors, serial killers, and KKK'ers all white Christian men? Doesn't mean all of them are.

Nevertheless, why NOT profile them? They are waging a jihad against us. They are the enemy. And as prejudiced as it sounds, it is typically what they look like.

Maybe, if we quit occupying their land, we won't need to. Plus, it is pure and simple discrimination, and would make a bad precedent...

what do you meant exactly by occupying there land. Do you mean the Oil wells? (or what ever there called)

[Astro_man92]

Just wondering what exactly is profiling? I think it has something to do with cops

[JTD]

Just wondering what exactly is profiling? I think it has something to do with cops

Racial profiling is the use of race as a consideration in suspect profiling or other law enforcement practices.

a form of racism consisting of the (alleged) policy of policemen who stop and search vehicles driven by persons belonging to particular racial groups

Or in this case as it were identifying muslim males between the ages of 15-35 who fit what they consider to be the profile of a terrorist.

[JTD]

Hmm, you forgot the oklahoma bombings and most of the failed terrorist plots here in good ole American were white Americans. Oh I see, you didn't want to show that right...

Which failed terrorist plots?

Of course, you can't always profile every group. After all, aren't many child molestors, serial killers, and KKK'ers all white Christian men? Doesn't mean all of them are.

Nevertheless, why NOT profile them? They are waging a jihad against us. They are the enemy. And as prejudiced as it sounds, it is typically what they look like.

Maybe, if we quit occupying their land, we won't need to. Plus, it is pure and simple discrimination, and would make a bad precedent...

what do you meant exactly by occupying there land. Do you mean the Oil wells? (or what ever there called)

Actually, I would say that the heart of the conflict in the middle east was not the American military presence in Saudi Arabia which ended a couple of years ago nor the occupation of Iraq currently underway.

It is the occupation of arab land seized during the 1967 and 1973 wars that has caused tension to rise to the level it is at today.

If we took a more active role in resolving that dispute, we'd be much better off. This policy of letting the two sides kill each other and refusing to intervene is insanity.

[banshee]

Everybody is profiled regardless of race/nationality/gender. Cops profile everyday. From the black man low ridin in the caddy with spinners and base thumpin, to the bandana wearing mexican tattooed up with gang insignia's showing colors, to the white angry skin head wanna be nazi, to the female mule carrying drugs in her implants, all the way down to the toofless bubba who walks into a known KKK house. Men are typically profiled and watched more than women but more women are being profiled. Profiling happens every day of the week on every street in the US.

[Hurricaneman]

Everybody is profiled regardless of race/nationality/gender. Cops profile everyday. From the black man low ridin in the caddy with spinners and base thumpin, to the bandana wearing mexican tattooed up with gang insignia's showing colors, to the white angry skin head wanna be nazi, to the female mule carrying drugs in her implants, all the way down to the toofless bubba who walks into a known KKK house. Men are typically profiled and watched more than women but more women are being profiled. Profiling happens every day of the week on every street in the US.

but I feel thats invasion of privacy

[banshee]

How is it an invasion of privacy? If I'm on a public street I have no expectation of privacy.