TD12 forming In the Bahamas?

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#101 Postby wxman57 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:12 pm

Recurve wrote:Looked at the latest vapor loop a lot, here's my attempt to diagram some of the features.

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A) Dry air, was diving southward toward the convection, but isn't wrapping or flowing eastward. Seems now to be moving as a mass westward, so the dry slot could reach the eastern islands and Abacos before the convection.

B) A cyclonic circulation, but I can't say at what level; swirl was prounced in vapor loop but without much convection.

C) Where I looked for wrapping convection, didn't see it yet. (D) is the direction of what looks like high outflow from this area.

Like to hear what the more experienced amateurs and pros see in the loop reagrding the development scenarios.

This is the loop I was using (zoomed in):
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-wv-loop.html


Good analysis. I believe "B" is the upper-level circulation center, and I think that's what the NAM appears to be latching onto and taking the whole system to the north. But all the other dynamic models identify the system closer to 21N, or just to the west of the tail end of your blue arrow. That blue arrow area is significant, as it indicates a small ridge may be developing over that burst of convection north of the DR. Could be a sign of development.
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#102 Postby x-y-no » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:19 pm

wxman57 wrote:Good analysis. I believe "B" is the upper-level circulation center, and I think that's what the NAM appears to be latching onto and taking the whole system to the north. But all the other dynamic models identify the system closer to 21N, or just to the west of the tail end of your blue arrow. That blue arrow area is significant, as it indicates a small ridge may be developing over that burst of convection north of the DR. Could be a sign of development.


Yes, if there is a center, I think it's in the vicinity of (perhaps a bit west of) that convection burst. I haven't seen any west winds at low level, but there were SW winds south of that area visible earlier this afternoon.

And I agree, there does appear to be some upper-level ridging over the system now.
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#103 Postby Recurve » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:24 pm

THANKS wxman57. Feedback much appreciated.

I've been reading the met textbooks and online analysis training, like doing graphics to tie analysis with what appears on image loops, just to engage with other enthusiasts.

I see now the low to the northwest is upper level -- so could add shear across the system, I assume. The outflow to the southwest also seemed very interesting.

Your input is always helpful here. Amateurs won't become experts but we learn a lot from your posts.
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#104 Postby Javlin » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:47 pm

Looks like the shear is easing up some regardless of the ULL to N.This might be a side note due to est. of the ridge possibily forming.
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#105 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:16 pm

A SURFACE TROF EXTENDS FROM THE WINDWARD PASSAGE NEWD ACROSS THE
SOUTHERN BAHAMAS TO 25N71W AND IS MOVING NW 5-10 KT. THE
LOW-LEVEL FLOW IS NOT PARTICULARLY SHARP...AND THE SYSTEM IS
COLLOCATED BENEATH A MID/UPPER LOW LOCATED NEAR 26N71W WHICH
ALSO HAPPENS TO BE MOVING WWD TOWARDS THE BAHAMAS. SCATTERED
MODERATE CONVECTION IS LOCATED PRIMARILY E OF THE SURFACE TROF
FROM 18N-26N BETWEEN 67W-74W...OVER HISPANIOLA...THE TURKS AND
CAICOS ISLANDS...AND SOUTHERN BAHAMAS. DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF
THE UPPER LOW...NEITHER THE DEEP-LAYERED NOR MID-LEVEL VERTICAL
SHEAR APPEARS THAT DETRIMENTAL. TWO MODELS...THE GFS AND
ECMWF...HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING A SURFACE LOW FROM THIS TROF NEAR
CUBA OR THE BAHAMAS OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO...SO TROPICAL
CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT APPEARS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 36 HRS.


The above from discussion at 8:05 PM.
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#106 Postby Pileus » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:19 pm

Recurve you mentioned reading met text books and online analysis.
Would you mind posting where I can obtain the same ? Thankyou
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#107 Postby johngaltfla » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:50 pm

cycloneye wrote:A SURFACE TROF EXTENDS FROM THE WINDWARD PASSAGE NEWD ACROSS THE
SOUTHERN BAHAMAS TO 25N71W AND IS MOVING NW 5-10 KT. THE
LOW-LEVEL FLOW IS NOT PARTICULARLY SHARP...AND THE SYSTEM IS
COLLOCATED BENEATH A MID/UPPER LOW LOCATED NEAR 26N71W WHICH
ALSO HAPPENS TO BE MOVING WWD TOWARDS THE BAHAMAS. SCATTERED
MODERATE CONVECTION IS LOCATED PRIMARILY E OF THE SURFACE TROF
FROM 18N-26N BETWEEN 67W-74W...OVER HISPANIOLA...THE TURKS AND
CAICOS ISLANDS...AND SOUTHERN BAHAMAS. DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF
THE UPPER LOW...NEITHER THE DEEP-LAYERED NOR MID-LEVEL VERTICAL
SHEAR APPEARS THAT DETRIMENTAL. TWO MODELS...THE GFS AND
ECMWF...HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING A SURFACE LOW FROM THIS TROF NEAR
CUBA OR THE BAHAMAS OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO...SO TROPICAL
CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT APPEARS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 36 HRS.


The above from discussion at 8:05 PM.


The 0000Z model runs don't help us Floridians much either....

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#108 Postby jabber » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:00 pm

cycloneye wrote:A SURFACE TROF EXTENDS FROM THE WINDWARD PASSAGE NEWD ACROSS THE
SOUTHERN BAHAMAS TO 25N71W AND IS MOVING NW 5-10 KT. THE
LOW-LEVEL FLOW IS NOT PARTICULARLY SHARP...AND THE SYSTEM IS
COLLOCATED BENEATH A MID/UPPER LOW LOCATED NEAR 26N71W WHICH
ALSO HAPPENS TO BE MOVING WWD TOWARDS THE BAHAMAS. SCATTERED
MODERATE CONVECTION IS LOCATED PRIMARILY E OF THE SURFACE TROF
FROM 18N-26N BETWEEN 67W-74W...OVER HISPANIOLA...THE TURKS AND
CAICOS ISLANDS...AND SOUTHERN BAHAMAS. DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF
THE UPPER LOW...NEITHER THE DEEP-LAYERED NOR MID-LEVEL VERTICAL
SHEAR APPEARS THAT DETRIMENTAL. TWO MODELS...THE GFS AND
ECMWF...HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING A SURFACE LOW FROM THIS TROF NEAR
CUBA OR THE BAHAMAS OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO...SO TROPICAL
CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT APPEARS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT 36 HRS.


The above from discussion at 8:05 PM.


Thanks for the info... I just do not see it. Look at Jose tonight, now thats a storm. What we have here is a disorganized mess. The NHC keeps stating how development is possible. I just do not see it. Maybe I need to take some time off looking... I have been looking in this area it seems for weeks now... wait a minute it has been weeks :)
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#109 Postby wxwatcher91 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:21 pm

22/2345 UTC 20.7N 72.9W TOO WEAK 10
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#110 Postby jasons2k » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:34 pm

Since they appear to be going with 10, can we lock this thread?
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#111 Postby jkt21787 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:37 pm

jschlitz wrote:Since they appear to be going with 10, can we lock this thread?

My thougths exactly. Don't want to start any confusion.

This system appears as it will remain TD 10, if it redevelops.
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