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#1621 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:38 am

storms in NC wrote:Question here. Is there any way is can be picked up by the front that is come off the coast now? I haven't heard any one talking about it or the high ridges


that is a question that the global models need to answer. Maybe in future model runs we can get a better idea but as of right now I dont really see any of them indicating that.

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#1622 Postby Javlin » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:39 am

Well I for one might just be an idiot but have a tough time seiny this thing going to far N.You have the ULL to the N blocking it and two the ridge over the SE CONUS is quite visible on the WV loop.The ridge appears to go from the TX/LA E to E/FL coast up to the LINAS.I understand that this ridge will move and that direction would be E.The CMC has this thing progged for the Big Bend area.Mike maybe you could shed some light esp. if my readings are incorrect.
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#1623 Postby MWatkins » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:46 am

Stormcenter wrote:
Rainband wrote:It's possible. This is the tropics. Looks more like an eastern GOM threat at this point. As you know things change in the tropics.


Until this "whatever" is in the GOM it is no ones problem along GOM coastline. Now when and if it makes it into the GOM then it's becomes everyones problem along the GOM coastline. I would not put too much faith in the models at all this far out so to say it's an eastern GOM threat or any threat is really premature in my opinion.


Well...I hate to say this…but this statement somewhat misses the point of a discussion board. We’re not talking about something that is a week away from the islands…this is a system that is 3 or 4 days from the eastern Gulf. Instead of taking on the clear-cut model guidance and the consensus opinion of folks who watch this all the time…rather than dismiss that idea as conjecture…why not present some analysis as to where you think this is going to go? I would be interested to know what you think of this system. I think the chances are etter of it never developing at all then not somehow getting into the SE gulf...personally.

As for CONU…it is the consensus guidance from the GFDL…UKMET…GFS and NOGAPS models. It is the best performing track they have and often times the NHC forecast track will be right on top of that track…

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#1624 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:48 am

The CONU takes it right over Miami-Ft.Lauderdale at this time
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#1625 Postby x-y-no » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:49 am

Here's one for the Tampa Bay folks:

(ECMWF 0z run SLP at 5 days)

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Not: I don't buy this particularly since it deepens the system as it crosses the peninsula from Ft. Pirce to Tampa.
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#1626 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:50 am

Not: I don't buy this particularly since it deepens the system as it crosses the peninsula from Ft. Pirce to Tampa.


Yes, that makes no sense.
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#1627 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:51 am

Well if the CONU is a very trusted model by the NHC then it doesnt look very good for southeast FL cause it takes this system right over them.

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#1628 Postby jpigott » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:58 am

my concern regarding this system is its slow movement over abnormally high SSTs with progressively improving atmospheric conditions for development. IF that ULL gets out of the way and ridging can set in, could we see explosive development, or is everybody just seeing slow development for now?
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#1629 Postby wxwatcher91 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:58 am

000
WHXX01 KWBC 231227
CHGHUR

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO TPC/NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONES.

NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER NORTH ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION TEN (AL102005) ON 20050823 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
050823 1200 050824 0000 050824 1200 050825 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 21.8N 75.0W 22.4N 76.5W 23.1N 78.2W 23.8N 80.0W
BAMM 21.8N 75.0W 22.5N 76.6W 23.3N 78.2W 24.1N 79.6W
A98E 21.8N 75.0W 22.3N 76.4W 23.1N 77.8W 24.1N 79.5W
LBAR 21.8N 75.0W 22.7N 76.5W 24.0N 78.2W 25.4N 79.6W
SHIP 20KTS 25KTS 31KTS 40KTS
DSHP 20KTS 25KTS 31KTS 40KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
050825 1200 050826 1200 050827 1200 050828 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 24.3N 81.5W 24.4N 84.0W 24.0N 86.0W 23.9N 87.4W
BAMM 24.5N 80.9W 24.7N 82.9W 24.5N 84.3W 24.6N 85.1W
A98E 24.9N 81.7W 25.4N 86.8W 25.4N 90.3W 24.3N 91.1W
LBAR 26.7N 80.4W 28.5N 80.0W 29.9N 78.9W 31.6N 77.4W
SHIP 49KTS 63KTS 72KTS 78KTS
DSHP 49KTS 63KTS 72KTS 78KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 21.8N LONCUR = 75.0W DIRCUR = 290DEG SPDCUR = 7KT
LATM12 = 21.3N LONM12 = 73.6W DIRM12 = 287DEG SPDM12 = 7KT
LATM24 = 20.9N LONM24 = 72.3W
WNDCUR = 20KT RMAXWD = 25NM WNDM12 = 20KT
CENPRS = 1009MB OUTPRS = 1014MB OUTRAD = 125NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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#1630 Postby Rainband » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:58 am

I don't buy it either. We may get some effects from a system but not that. Tampa bay is the buffer zone. 8-)
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#1631 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:59 am

MWatkins wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:
Rainband wrote:It's possible. This is the tropics. Looks more like an eastern GOM threat at this point. As you know things change in the tropics.


Until this "whatever" is in the GOM it is no ones problem along GOM coastline. Now when and if it makes it into the GOM then it's becomes everyones problem along the GOM coastline. I would not put too much faith in the models at all this far out so to say it's an eastern GOM threat or any threat is really premature in my opinion.


Well...I hate to say this…but this statement somewhat misses the point of a discussion board. We’re not talking about something that is a week away from the islands…this is a system that is 3 or 4 days from the eastern Gulf. Instead of taking on the clear-cut model guidance and the consensus opinion of folks who watch this all the time…rather than dismiss that idea as conjecture…why not present some analysis as to where you think this is going to go? I would be interested to know what you think of this system. I think the chances are etter of it never developing at all then not somehow getting into the SE gulf...personally.

As for CONU…it is the consensus guidance from the GFDL…UKMET…GFS and NOGAPS models. It is the best performing track they have and often times the NHC forecast track will be right on top of that track…

MW


My point is we don't even officially have a definite center yet so to say it's a E GOM threat is way too early. It's not even moving that much at all. Some of the models yesterday had this going toward Mexico or Texas. I just don't think they really have anything solid to work with yet until a fixed center is verified. Hey this thing may not even make it into the GOM and just go up the FL. coastline. Right now I personally don't have any opinions as to where it's going based on what I just said.
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#1632 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:00 am

my concern regarding this system is its slow movement over abnormally high SSTs with progressively improving atmospheric conditions for development. IF that ULL gets out of the way and ridging can set in, could we see explosive development, or is everybody just seeing slow development for now?


Read my post about S. Florida. I was always worried about this system and now becoming even more worried...
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#1633 Postby Rainband » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:01 am

MWatkins wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:
Rainband wrote:It's possible. This is the tropics. Looks more like an eastern GOM threat at this point. As you know things change in the tropics.


Until this "whatever" is in the GOM it is no ones problem along GOM coastline. Now when and if it makes it into the GOM then it's becomes everyones problem along the GOM coastline. I would not put too much faith in the models at all this far out so to say it's an eastern GOM threat or any threat is really premature in my opinion.


Well...I hate to say this…but this statement somewhat misses the point of a discussion board. We’re not talking about something that is a week away from the islands…this is a system that is 3 or 4 days from the eastern Gulf. Instead of taking on the clear-cut model guidance and the consensus opinion of folks who watch this all the time…rather than dismiss that idea as conjecture…why not present some analysis as to where you think this is going to go? I would be interested to know what you think of this system. I think the chances are etter of it never developing at all then not somehow getting into the SE gulf...personally.

As for CONU…it is the consensus guidance from the GFDL…UKMET…GFS and NOGAPS models. It is the best performing track they have and often times the NHC forecast track will be right on top of that track…


MW
Well said Mike. :)
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#1634 Postby CronkPSU » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:03 am

<img src="http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/atlantic/early3.png">
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#1635 Postby dwg71 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:07 am

It appears that the BAMs are the only ones that have this going into the gulf???
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#1636 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:08 am

dwg71 wrote:It appears that the BAMs are the only ones that have this going into the gulf???


thats because the BAM models are almost useless at this stage of the game. Global models guys. Gotta stick with them from here on out.

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#1637 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:08 am

It appears that the BAMs are the only ones that have this going into the gulf???


These models do not take into account mid-lattitude systems very well...so I would not go by them.
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#1638 Postby CronkPSU » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:09 am

dwg71 wrote:It appears that the BAMs are the only ones that have this going into the gulf???


and of course XTRP :D

looks like a SE/Cent Florida storm right now
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#1639 Postby dwg71 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:10 am

CronkPSU wrote:
dwg71 wrote:It appears that the BAMs are the only ones that have this going into the gulf???


and of course XTRP

looks like a SE/Cent Florida storm right now


I forgot about the XTRP model, does any body know when the next run is due out??



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#1640 Postby gatorcane » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:10 am

and of course XTRP

looks like a SE/Cent Florida storm right now


I would like to wait until this evening when this storm has materialized....the models do better when there is an actual storm.
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