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#461 Postby wxman57 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:32 am

NCHurricane wrote:
THead wrote:The cone IS really, really wide, basically the whole length of the state of Florida. Even the projection for the next 24 hours is really wide. Seems strange, seems like NHC has been nailing them down alot tighter than this lately. Maybe because of the weakness of the storm?


I would guess one reason is because the storm is forecasted to slow to a crawl, it makes the forecast very unsure. It's pretty much taking into account the entire model spread.

It should continue of a westward track, but when they stop or slow to less than 5mph, it gives me an uneasy feeling. That could be supper though.


The error cone never varies with respect to distance from the track to the outer edges at each forecast point. It merely represents an average 10-year forecast error. It does not change size according to forecast confidence. What you're seeing is a wider cone, almost a circle, due to the slow movement of Katrina and the final 2 track points always having a large track error. If Katrina were moving faster, then the cone would be stretched out and look "normal".
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#462 Postby nequad » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:34 am

NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER NORTH ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL STORM KATRINA (AL122005) ON 20050825 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
050825 1200 050826 0000 050826 1200 050827 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 26.2N 79.0W 26.1N 80.2W 25.9N 81.5W 25.6N 82.7W
BAMM 26.2N 79.0W 26.4N 80.0W 26.4N 81.2W 26.3N 82.3W
A98E 26.2N 79.0W 26.6N 80.2W 26.5N 81.2W 25.8N 81.7W
LBAR 26.2N 79.0W 26.4N 80.4W 26.6N 81.7W 26.5N 82.9W
SHIP 45KTS 51KTS 59KTS 66KTS
DSHP 45KTS 51KTS 36KTS 35KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
050827 1200 050828 1200 050829 1200 050830 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 25.4N 83.9W 25.3N 85.6W 26.9N 86.1W 30.5N 82.6W
BAMM 26.2N 83.5W 26.4N 85.3W 27.8N 86.0W 31.5N 81.6W
A98E 25.4N 82.1W 24.7N 83.1W 24.5N 83.7W 25.1N 82.8W
LBAR 26.3N 84.2W 26.7N 86.9W 28.4N 88.5W 31.2N 87.3W
SHIP 72KTS 84KTS 92KTS 90KTS
DSHP 42KTS 54KTS 49KTS 29KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 26.2N LONCUR = 79.0W DIRCUR = 295DEG SPDCUR = 7KT
LATM12 = 26.0N LONM12 = 77.6W DIRM12 = 303DEG SPDM12 = 7KT
LATM24 = 24.5N LONM24 = 76.5W
WNDCUR = 45KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 45KT
CENPRS = 999MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 130NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 60NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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definitely looking better organized now ...

#463 Postby Weatherboy1 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:41 am

some big-time convection firing over the center, plus radar is showing the eye clearing out. Storm looks roughly due E of the Broward/PBC county line moving west.

-Mike
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#464 Postby tronbunny » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:42 am

OK, so the 12z models pretty much tell us Katrina's gonna be at least a strong TS crossing from FTL/WPB to Ft. Meyers.

But the continuing track westward into GOM, strengthening and then re-curving everywhere along the FL gulf coast is a major bummer!

After Kat crosses into the GOM... it almost appears that it can play a "Charley" scenario (just a smidge north) with the help of a strong trof.
But it could be similar to what we were looking at on August 11-12 last year!
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#465 Postby Thunder44 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:43 am

Apparently they don't plan to up the winds yet. So more satellite estimates

TPNT KGWC 251230
A. TROPICAL STORM KATRINA (TWELVE)
B. 25/1131Z (73)
C. 26.2N/0
D. 79.0W/6
E. FIVE/GOES12
F. T3.0/3.0/D0.5/24HRS -25/1131Z-
G. IR/EIR/VIS/MSI

40A/ PBO SBC/ANMTN. CNVCTN WRAPS .70 USING THE LOG10 SPIRAL
YIELDING A DT OF 3.0. FT BASED ON DT, PT AND MET AGREE.

AODT: T4.5 (EMBEDDED CNTR CLD RGN)

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#466 Postby wxwatcher91 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:46 am

that one wasnt updated yet. here's the latest one:

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WHXX01 KWBC 251226
CHGHUR

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO TPC/NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONES.

NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER NORTH ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

TROPICAL STORM KATRINA (AL122005) ON 20050825 1200 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
050825 1200 050826 0000 050826 1200 050827 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 26.2N 79.0W 26.1N 80.2W 25.9N 81.6W 25.7N 82.9W
BAMM 26.2N 79.0W 26.3N 80.1W 26.1N 81.3W 25.9N 82.5W
A98E 26.2N 79.0W 26.1N 80.1W 25.9N 81.2W 25.3N 81.6W
LBAR 26.2N 79.0W 26.2N 80.4W 26.2N 81.7W 26.1N 82.9W
SHIP 50KTS 57KTS 66KTS 74KTS
DSHP 50KTS 57KTS 39KTS 37KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
050827 1200 050828 1200 050829 1200 050830 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 25.4N 84.2W 25.3N 86.1W 26.5N 86.9W 30.0N 84.0W
BAMM 25.6N 83.7W 25.6N 85.4W 27.0N 86.0W 30.9N 81.2W
A98E 25.0N 81.9W 24.7N 82.6W 25.3N 83.0W 26.9N 81.9W
LBAR 25.9N 84.4W 26.3N 87.3W 28.3N 89.0W 31.1N 87.5W
SHIP 80KTS 91KTS 96KTS 92KTS
DSHP 43KTS 54KTS 48KTS 29KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 26.2N LONCUR = 79.0W DIRCUR = 275DEG SPDCUR = 6KT
LATM12 = 26.0N LONM12 = 77.6W DIRM12 = 303DEG SPDM12 = 7KT
LATM24 = 24.5N LONM24 = 76.5W
WNDCUR = 50KT RMAXWD = 15NM WNDM12 = 45KT
CENPRS = 997MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 130NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 60NM RD34SE = 60NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM
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#467 Postby WindRunner » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:52 am

I find it funny that they ended up doing two 12Z runs on Katrina, one with 45kt winds and one with the new 50kt winds.
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#468 Postby tronbunny » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:55 am

I don't see where any one inch of the FL gulf coast can let their guard down at all!

It's gonna threaten the WHOLE FL Gulf Coast.
Double whammy.
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#469 Postby cjrciadt » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:43 am

tronbunny wrote:I don't see where any one inch of the FL gulf coast can let their guard down at all!

It's gonna threaten the WHOLE FL Gulf Coast.
Double whammy.

It is following the BAMD course right now, that could mean a strong Katrina for the panhandle. :cry:
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#470 Postby gatorcane » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:44 am

Katrina appears to be slowing down now based on radar observations...
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#471 Postby Recurve » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:00 am

I was a bit freaked last night by the GFDL -- not that it's likely, but it would be a very very bad storm if it went like that.

Seems more on track this morning to keep heading west, sorry for those in the path. The morning discussion that mentioned steering currents going in two directions gave me another pause. Hope there's no more intensification at least.

It's strange when the local radar you look at every day shows a spinning eye on the short-range view.
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#472 Postby gatorcane » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:02 am

where in the FL Keys are you...you may not be out of the woods just yet
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#473 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:03 am

the models have shifted somewhat west in the gulf...I don't see a hard right hook in the gulf...this is not a trof coming in a swooping her out...its just a weakness...time will tell
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#474 Postby gatorcane » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:03 am

has anybody noticed she seems to be trying to stall out....???
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#475 Postby Ivanhater » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:04 am

deltadog03 wrote:the models have shifted somewhat west in the gulf...I don't see a hard right hook in the gulf...this is not a trof coming in a swooping her out...its just a weakness...time will tell


yep, its that ol watch and wait and go crazy
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#476 Postby CronkPSU » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:06 am

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#477 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:09 am

ok, it maybe me....BUT look how much all of the GFS based models...excluding the gfdl..shift considerably west in the gulf and on the 2nd landfall....i would expect that trend west to continue
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#478 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:12 am

is it going to stall out?
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#479 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:13 am

deltadog03 wrote:ok, it maybe me....BUT look how much all of the GFS based models...excluding the gfdl..shift considerably west in the gulf and on the 2nd landfall....i would expect that trend west to continue


It's not you, they have shifted westward.
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#480 Postby dwg71 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:15 am

deltadog03 wrote:ok, it maybe me....BUT look how much all of the GFS based models...excluding the gfdl..shift considerably west in the gulf and on the 2nd landfall....i would expect that trend west to continue


That's a pretty good consensous and the NHC course seems to be right in the middle. I would not expect a big shift in forecast track. 2nd Landfall should occur in the far eastern edge of the panhandle. I dont see anything further west than PCB.
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