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#21 Postby evalea » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:09 pm

Copying a post on the WWLTV forum, I think they are talking about the area just around Buras...

okay. I just talked to a friend whose dad works for the sheriff's dept. He just talked to someone and said the following....

They have rescued 4 people from the roof of the St. Patrick's Church. The water is so high there the only thing visible is the bell tower.

There were three breaks in the levee. Not sure of the locations.

Someone with airboats (they said Jody so he's assuming Jody Danos) is going around helping to rescue people. He's picked up eight dead bodies and supposedly they've called into the emergency management people for 600 more.


again, all heresay, not confirmed, but I thought you would want to know.

God help everyone there.


The major search and rescue op for areas hardest hit in SE LA, gets underway at first light tomorrow, I'm sure the news coming out of there is going to make the devastation we've seen so far pale in comparison :cry:
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#22 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:13 pm

with stories like that you just have to hope that the someones friends dads sheriffs who heard someone say was mistaken......any true mass casualty stories that have real basis will be eaten up by the mainstream media....you can be sure.
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#23 Postby Canebo » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:20 pm

djtil wrote:with stories like that you just have to hope that the someones friends dads sheriffs who heard someone say was mistaken......any true mass casualty stories that have real basis will be eaten up by the mainstream media....you can be sure.



Very true. With every disaster comes the stories that someone's brother's uncle's friend heard about hundreds dead and whole towns missing. While the story may have started out with a couple dead, by the time it was passed onto the 100th person, it no longer resembled the original story. And thank God these stories are almost never true!
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#24 Postby Windy » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:26 pm

If the death toll doesn't crack 100, I'd be shocked. If it tops 1,000, I won't be surprised. 1,000 may even be low-end. That's just being realistic for a storm of this magnitude, accounting for the human tendency to not desire to flee until conditions have deteriorated beyond the point where fleeing is feasible. Inland flooding is going to be a real bother with this one, as well.
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#25 Postby JtSmarts » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:29 pm

I've heard some news that hundreds have already been rescued, so hopefully the toll won't be too bad in LA, however in MS it is another story.
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#26 Postby Anonymous » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:29 pm

Katrina has already killed 7 in Florida and 8 so far on the Gulf Coast.

15 already, and they haven't even gotten into the worst hit areas yet. Body recovery hasn't even started, even in the fringe areas. The count will rise tomorrow.
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#27 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:30 pm

so true canebo.....after andrew the same "there will be hundreds and thousands" dead echos came, and when the real death toll ended at 26 the "Great NOAA Conspiracy" of hiding the dead was born.
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#28 Postby wlfpack81 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:30 pm

djtil wrote:nooned expected andrews death toll to only be 26 either.....i think those saying there will be 100s of deaths should just wait....noone knows for sure yet.


True however the same can be said for those claiming the death toll may be light. Have to wait and see as well. Advice can go both ways. :)

However, again IMO given that storm surge was a big factor with Katrina combined with poverty of the region ( meaning some had no means to leave) and the possible complacent attitude of some in the region who could evac but didn't I can't imagine there not being at least 50-100 deaths between LA, MS and AL. We shall see and I hope I'm very wrong about my predictions.
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#29 Postby jenshops » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:31 pm

djtil wrote:i know people are expecting the worse but until reports of deaths actually are released, it is good news.

nooned expected andrews death toll to only be 26 either.....i think those saying there will be 100s of deaths should just wait....noone knows for sure yet.


The death toll in Andrew was much higher than reported. I lived in Miami at the time and have heard from several reliable sources that this was the case. My sister's ex lived in Homestead and said he saw bodies being piled on refrigerated trucks, then a lady who worked with the Red Cross said this was true, then my father knows someone who worked with FEMA and also said it was true, and finally someone I know, who is very reliable and works in the medical field, was part of the crew who was looking for survivors said there were a lot more people dead; whole families wiped out. Many of these people were illegal aliens. This person said they would never forget one incident in particular, an infant in a dryer where it was placed in hopes of protection. I have no doubt that the death tolls go much higher than what is reported. I personally handed out food and water after Charley, another area with many illegal aliens, and I believe that death toll was higher as well.
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#30 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:32 pm

and there we go canebo....as i was saying.....
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#31 Postby kevin » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:33 pm

Not the Andrew conspiracy stuff.... I knew it would happen... I knew it.
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#32 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:34 pm

its my fault kevin, all my fault.....i even had a preminition and nearly predicted it just seconds before it appeared.
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#33 Postby wx247 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:36 pm

sharpenu wrote:Katrina has already killed 7 in Florida and 8 so far on the Gulf Coast.

15 already, and they haven't even gotten into the worst hit areas yet. Body recovery hasn't even started, even in the fringe areas. The count will rise tomorrow.


According to the latest figures I heard as of 7 pm this evening, there are now 11 dead in FL alone.
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#34 Postby kevin » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:39 pm

They actually do send the trucks (I am almost positive about this one), but they always come just in case. The conspiracy theories about Andrew are wrong. Not one shred of evidence, just rumor, speculation and nonsense.
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#35 Postby jrod » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:40 pm

I've heard the same was true for Charlie. The story I heard was many, perhaps hundreds, of migrant workers that work the orange groves were the victims.

I really wish the US would give a body count and an official death toll count. I think there is some outlandish rule that only the ones issued a death certificate are counted, and illegal aliens do not get one. I believe it is only fair to count everyone, regardless of their immigration status.
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#36 Postby Mello1 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:44 pm

kevin wrote:They actually do send the trucks (I am almost positive about this one), but they always come just in case. The conspiracy theories about Andrew are wrong. Not one shred of evidence, just rumor, speculation and nonsense.

Right along with the rumors about the true death count in Iraq, right?
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#37 Postby jenshops » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:44 pm

Were you there? Did you witness this? The person who did is not some idiot but a medical professional. I also thought this was ridiculous, but having it confirmed by four differnt people changed my mind. Just because you don't think it is possible, doesn't mean it isn't. The devestation was incredible, and that was the newly constructed houses, imagine the trailers, which is where most of the illegals lived. When I was giving out the food and water after Charley, the illegals would not even go down to the local areas where they were handing out stuff. Don't assume because you don't experience it, it is not possible!!
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#38 Postby djtil » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:46 pm

you were there, and you are here....how many dead illegals did you see?
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#39 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:46 pm

SAR crews from Houston FD left this afternoon for the area. I'm sure they will be beginning early in the morning.
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#40 Postby kevin » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:48 pm

Was I there?! rant rant rave rave

This has been debunked. It is in the debunked file. Cling to beliefs if they make you feel good, but if you want facts do the bare minimum of research. People very smart people believe very stupid things. There are very smart people who believe that aliens built the pyramids. Sometimes a notion becomes commonsensical and is accepted without evidence.

For extraordinary claims of government conspiracy you need extraordinary proof. Hearsay does not count. There have been many times I took a reliable source's word only to find them wrong. The only person I trust is the record and research.
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