Two things saved New Orleans. #1 it turned to the east and #2 it weakened.
I am very concerbed this may be premature. The latest reports of continued water rise tonight really scare me. This is bad.
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jschlitz wrote:Two things saved New Orleans. #1 it turned to the east and #2 it weakened.
I am very concerbed this may be premature. The latest reports of continued water rise tonight really scare me. This is bad.
As horrible as it appears to be.... it could have been worse.
From what I have seen, New Orleans will become inhabitable again and will recover over time.
The doonsday scenario, which it appears that they faced if the storm came directly over; might have destroyed it completely leaving over a million homeless and countless would have lost their lives.
In no way am I minimizing the tragedy that happened today but it could have been even worse.
Thank the lord that it wasn't.
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fci wrote:jschlitz wrote:Two things saved New Orleans. #1 it turned to the east and #2 it weakened.
I am very concerbed this may be premature. The latest reports of continued water rise tonight really scare me. This is bad.
As horrible as it appears to be.... it could have been worse.
From what I have seen, New Orleans will become inhabitable again and will recover over time.
The doonsday scenario, which it appears that they faced if the storm came directly over; might have destroyed it completely leaving over a million homeless and countless would have lost their lives.
In no way am I minimizing the tragedy that happened today but it could have been even worse.
Thank the lord that it wasn't.
That's what I thought too all day until I hear that water is still flowing into the city and maybe the bowl is slowly filling. The thought of it happening that way gives me the chills, and I hope this is just temporary.
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jschlitz wrote:Two things saved New Orleans. #1 it turned to the east and #2 it weakened.
I am very concerbed this may be premature. The latest reports of continued water rise tonight really scare me. This is bad.
It's no doubt that it could have been way worse, but I can't think of anything worse that's going on right now. When the light of day comes tomorrow, I wonder if anyone will care about what could have been....
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jason0509 wrote:All I will say is that DR. NEIL FRANK DOESN'T HAVE THE VAGUEST IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. HE SHOULD WATCH CNN RIGHT NOW.
New Orleans is NOT, REPEAT NOT OK.
This is not directed towards the poster but rather Neil Frank. Does he not have a TV? (Neil Frank)
He didnt say NO was OK. I could have been ALOT worse...I use this term lightly because GOD knows as we all do that this is so horrific. I cant imagine it being much worse if it didnt weaken and stayed more west....
I am sure hes fully aware of the devestation......
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smashmode wrote:Heat index 110 degrees the next 2-4 days
No power, no AC, no clean water, lots of nasties in the water....humidity
Its going to suck arse for the survivors.
a setting ripe for diseases and all sorts of nasty critters...i heard that it may take weeks to pump that water out...is that true?
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I'm sorry and feeling terrible right now, but I have to point out the obvious, because I've spoken of this the last 2-3 days on this board.
Anyone watch the video of the marina building in Baton Rouge going up in flames tonight, while flooded several feet deep with water?
Do you not understand why authorities are keeping people from returning to the Big Easy?
There were reports of at least five fires yesterday in NOLA before the peak of the hurricane hit. You may have noticed that the power was on in New Orleans, not until it was cut by planned actions of NOLA authorities, but was instead cut off by power outages?
In several buildings, maybe dozens or more, likely there are smoldering quiet combustions going on in saturated wood, or wall insulation, or in other combustibles. If you saw the the fire in Baton Rouge, then you should make the connection. It doesn't matter how much rain has fallen, or if much of the building was completely soaked. It's been proven time and again that fire trumps water. Have you seen large fires in big cities where there were water cannons and hoses pouring water on the fire? How many of those didn't result in total or near total destruction of the structure involved in the fire?
If in fact NOLA is still taking on water, it's only a matter of time till fire breaks out, from natural causes, or a drunk throwing a cigarette into a pool of water saturated with flammables, or from smoldering electircal combustion. It will very likely happen unless the situation gets under control in the next 48 hours, maybe 72, maybe only 24.
Fiire will begin in the city, and this critically depends upon whether or not NOLA authorities can stop the influx of water. If they cannot, there will be fires, and there will be no way of stopping them, other than letting the Mississippi into the city, and that will only increase the flooded areas and reduce the burnt.
Unless there is a firm handle taken on this situation, urban wildfire is almost a sure thing in the city, and it will burn every building close to another, and all will combust right down to waterline.
How many are in New Orleans right now? These people need to be evacuated within the next 48 hours. There are no options to fight wildfire in the city other than it's utter destruction by flood. You can't get river pumpers in, you can't get (if it is indeed continuing to flood) fire engines in, you cannot use fire hydrants to provide anything; because there's no power, and in a city where their water sources are just feet above city level, no pressure.
I'm proposing this as a very serious precautionary tale and not an absolute fact of what would be come history. But I want everyone from the authorities at the Federal, state, municipal and interagency organizations, to the people who decided to stay behind at the evacuation order, to understand that we are dealing with an ongoing life-threatening situation.
Do not create any sort of fire, no matter how much you want to do so, so that means no smoking, no flambe's no fire. For any reason.
And get out of town. Youre life could absolutely depend on it. If you want a lesson as to the history of this post, just Google "Grand Forks fire".
You'll see what I mean.
Anyone watch the video of the marina building in Baton Rouge going up in flames tonight, while flooded several feet deep with water?
Do you not understand why authorities are keeping people from returning to the Big Easy?
There were reports of at least five fires yesterday in NOLA before the peak of the hurricane hit. You may have noticed that the power was on in New Orleans, not until it was cut by planned actions of NOLA authorities, but was instead cut off by power outages?
In several buildings, maybe dozens or more, likely there are smoldering quiet combustions going on in saturated wood, or wall insulation, or in other combustibles. If you saw the the fire in Baton Rouge, then you should make the connection. It doesn't matter how much rain has fallen, or if much of the building was completely soaked. It's been proven time and again that fire trumps water. Have you seen large fires in big cities where there were water cannons and hoses pouring water on the fire? How many of those didn't result in total or near total destruction of the structure involved in the fire?
If in fact NOLA is still taking on water, it's only a matter of time till fire breaks out, from natural causes, or a drunk throwing a cigarette into a pool of water saturated with flammables, or from smoldering electircal combustion. It will very likely happen unless the situation gets under control in the next 48 hours, maybe 72, maybe only 24.
Fiire will begin in the city, and this critically depends upon whether or not NOLA authorities can stop the influx of water. If they cannot, there will be fires, and there will be no way of stopping them, other than letting the Mississippi into the city, and that will only increase the flooded areas and reduce the burnt.
Unless there is a firm handle taken on this situation, urban wildfire is almost a sure thing in the city, and it will burn every building close to another, and all will combust right down to waterline.
How many are in New Orleans right now? These people need to be evacuated within the next 48 hours. There are no options to fight wildfire in the city other than it's utter destruction by flood. You can't get river pumpers in, you can't get (if it is indeed continuing to flood) fire engines in, you cannot use fire hydrants to provide anything; because there's no power, and in a city where their water sources are just feet above city level, no pressure.
I'm proposing this as a very serious precautionary tale and not an absolute fact of what would be come history. But I want everyone from the authorities at the Federal, state, municipal and interagency organizations, to the people who decided to stay behind at the evacuation order, to understand that we are dealing with an ongoing life-threatening situation.
Do not create any sort of fire, no matter how much you want to do so, so that means no smoking, no flambe's no fire. For any reason.
And get out of town. Youre life could absolutely depend on it. If you want a lesson as to the history of this post, just Google "Grand Forks fire".
You'll see what I mean.
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Fiire will begin in the city, and this critically depends upon whether or not NOLA authorities can stop the influx of water. If they cannot, there will be fires, and there will be no way of stopping them, other than letting the Mississippi into the city, and that will only increase the flooded areas and reduce the burnt.
This reminds of the fires after a major earthquake in San Francisco or Los Angeles. The destruction I've seen in some areas is equivalent to the damage one would see near the epicenter of a major earthquake. Just scary.
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it's only a matter of time till fire breaks out, from natural causes, or a drunk throwing a cigarette into a pool of water saturated with flammables, or from smoldering electircal combustion.
Mayor also said there were places in NO where the gas lines had broken and you could see fire coming up through the water like a fountain.
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soonertwister wrote:Unless there is a firm handle taken on this situation, urban wildfire is almost a sure thing in the city, and it will burn every building close to another, and all will combust right down to waterline.
How many are in New Orleans right now? These people need to be evacuated within the next 48 hours. There are no options to fight wildfire in the city other than it's utter destruction by flood. You can't get river pumpers in, you can't get (if it is indeed continuing to flood) fire engines in, you cannot use fire hydrants to provide anything; because there's no power, and in a city where their water sources are just feet above city level, no pressure.
I'm proposing this as a very serious precautionary tale and not an absolute fact of what would be come history. But I want everyone from the authorities at the Federal, state, municipal and interagency organizations, to the people who decided to stay behind at the evacuation order, to understand that we are dealing with an ongoing life-threatening situation.
Do not create any sort of fire, no matter how much you want to do so, so that means no smoking, no flambe's no fire. For any reason.
And get out of town. Youre life could absolutely depend on it. If you want a lesson as to the history of this post, just Google "Grand Forks fire".
You'll see what I mean.
I do not think many people have an idea just how dire this situation is.
I think I have an intellectual understanding of it, but I'm really kind of numb at this point. I'm in shock. And the mayor, the reporters, the firemen- they're all operating in shock at this point. If you're in the situation, you have to block out emotion and think logically.
And that means evacuating the city as soon as possible. It is not livable.
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