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#1 Postby BUD » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:27 pm

After hurricane Katrina do you think the goverment will start thinking about some way to stop these storms??
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#2 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:28 pm

Nope
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#3 Postby spinfan4eva » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:35 pm

No, and they shouldnt as results could be horrific. Heat would build in the south to uninhabitable levels. As bad as they are, hurricanes are a necessary metorological event to balance out the worlds heat from the tropics, northward. I think the government will continue to improve hurricane forecasting and ways to deal with them and help citizens survive them.
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#4 Postby Astro_man92 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:38 pm

Why stop them. There perfectly fine. It is us that is getting in the way and we can't change that.


My opinion is that we shouldn't even think about stoping hurricanes because if we figure out a way to stop them well there just going to get stonger and stonger untill we can't stop them.

Why?

Because hurricanes help distribute temperates by cooling down the tropicas and carrying that air and temps towards the north and south poles. so if we stop them then the temperaters might get so unbalenced that we may have to make a new catagory for hurricanes and we may see Cat 5 on a regular basis.

So we shouldn't stop them or we are just hurting ourselve more than we already have.

please someone correct me if i'm wrong
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#5 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:39 pm

spinfan4eva wrote:No, and they shouldnt as results could be horrific. Heat would build in the south to uninhabitable levels. As bad as they are, hurricanes are a necessary metorological event to balance out the worlds heat from the tropics, northward. I think the government will continue to improve hurricane forecasting and ways to deal with them and help citizens survive them.


I 100 percent agree. Hurricanes or other weather events should be left alone. We should improve our forecasting in build stronger.
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#6 Postby Louise » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:59 pm

Maybe we should START hurricanes then. Actually I mean lots of small/weak topical storms. This would dissipate heat in a more decentralized and less damaging way.
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#7 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:02 pm

I think we should just leave the weather be. We need to build stronger and smarter with better forecast.
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#8 Postby Brent » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:02 pm

No... ever heard of the saying "Don't mess with mother nature?" :lol:

If you try and stop hurricanes, then other weather extremes will get worse(tornadoes, flooding etc.).
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#9 Postby Ivanhater » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:03 pm

[quote="Astro_man92"]Why stop them. There perfectly fine. It is us that is getting in the way and we can't change that.

we are human beings and we live on land, we are not "getting in the way" just like people who live in tornado alley are not "getting in the way", humans must live with nature, as God created both(just my opinion), i think i understand your point(i hope) that we must live with it, but were not "getting in the way"
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#10 Postby MiamiensisWx » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:04 pm

Louise wrote:Maybe we should START hurricanes then. Actually I mean lots of small/weak topical storms. This would dissipate heat in a more decentralized and less damaging way.


You DO have a point there... however, it might not be as effective as when the process is done naturally when storms form naturally and on their own.

I think we should improve forecasting as well as relief efforts instead of trying to "hurricane-proof" the Atlantic Basin and/or try to weaken and/or destroy storms that do develop.
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#11 Postby Astro_man92 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:05 pm

Brent wrote:No... ever heard of the saying "Don't mess with mother nature?" :lol:

If you try and stop hurricanes, then other weather extremes will get worse(tornadoes, flooding etc.).



ya usually (and the human race has experience of this(I beleive)) If you mess with nature, nature will eventually mess with you
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#12 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:07 pm

Lets leave it alone like it has been for the last 4 billion years. It seems to have worked pretty good for that time scale. I hope to see it keep working that way for the next 4 billion years.
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#13 Postby BUD » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:13 pm

All of you are posting very good points,BUTwill the goverment listen :?: :?: I do not think so.
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#14 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:15 pm

It would also not suprize me if they brought back t.rex or something else. or even clone humans in the next 50 years. Doe's that make it safe or right. NO!!!
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#15 Postby Astro_man92 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:18 pm

BUD wrote:All of you are posting very good points,BUTwill the goverment listen :?: :?: I do not think so.



well in the end if they don't listen to NASA, NHC, NOAA, NWS, and the arceaologists they'd be idiots for one and they'd lose. and we'd lose if they leave nature alone then both nature and us win. You getting this???
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#16 Postby nequad » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:49 pm

They tried many years ago to do this...but it failed miserably. They tried seeding the clouds, and I think the last theory was to put down some type of film or oil on the ocean surface ahead of an advancing system.
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#17 Postby nequad » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:01 pm

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7726


Sailors who traditionally dumped barrels of oil into the sea to calm stormy waters may have been on to something, a new study suggests. The old practice reduces wind speeds in tropical hurricanes by damping ocean spray, according to a new mathematical “sandwich model”.

As hurricane winds kick up ocean waves, large water droplets become suspended in the air. This cloud of spray can be treated mathematically as a third fluid sandwiched between the air and sea. “Our calculations show that drops in the spray decrease turbulence and reduce friction, allowing for far greater wind speeds – sometimes eight times as much,” explains researcher Alexandre Chorin at the University of California at Berkeley, US.





http://mb-soft.com/public/hurrican.html


An entirely unique method might be effective in either stopping hurricanes from first forming or reducing their power once they exist, or both. A method based on the Physics principle of Resonance, and specifically a second order Quadrupole Resonance seems certainly worth investigating! The concept is very similar to inducing vibrations in a wineglass to cause it to shatter due to music!

As indicated below, this concept was developed by the beginning of 2001, but in early 2004, two new (simpler) mechanisms have been recognized to create the necessary shock waves in the perimeter of a hurricane. One is a precise (due to GPS) repetition of a vertical stack of "percussion bombs" to create a vertical-source shock wave to disrupt the circulation flow of the outer hurricane winds. The other is the sequential use of several supersonic aircraft a few miles outside the 50 mph winds of the outer circulation. The sonic boom caused by supersonic objects like aircraft or bullets is actually a shock wave propagating through the air. An aircraft with a nose cone angle of 10°, traveling at Mach 1.1, creates an extremely intense pressure shock wave, as much as 4 PSI, or 8" of barometric pressure, around 68° out away from the tail centerline. If a supersonic aircraft followed a fairly tight smooth level (logarithmic spiral) turn, the resulting continuous shock waves become closer together in the air inward along the radius of the turn. It is possible to plan it so that the sonic boom shock waves from an extended distance of the aircraft flight can all arrive at a desired location a few miles to the side at the same instant, creating an extremely intense (vertical line) shock wave at that single location. It is also possible for the aircraft to follow a course of slightly greater radius turn, or a possibly a horizontal somewhat hyperbolic path, to cause a broader (in time) shock wave to appear there, which has the effect of being at a lower frequency. This sudden blast of hurricane-radially-inward wind would act to drive some of the hurricane's winds farther inward, disrupting the normal circular flow, causing ripples to form in the circulation, and somewhat de-stabilizing the hurricane. Several such aircraft would be flown to create repetitive sonic boom disruptions in the same position in the hurricane, to inspire the wineglass-like self-destruction of the hurricane




These are just a sample of the kinds of experiments people are working on. They simply have no clue(so it seems) about how tropical cyclones conform to our envrironment.

You can do a google search under stopping hurricanes and you will see many such articles.
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#18 Postby CFL » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:07 pm

I wouldn't even begin to think I could safely and effectively control the weather. However I do think there are way too many people living on the coastlines right now. I think this will start to change. For example think about how much homeowner's and flood insurance will go up after this season. Only the wealthiest people who can afford to take the loss will be able to do it.
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#19 Postby tronbunny » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:11 pm

CFL wrote:I wouldn't even begin to think I could safely and effectively control the weather. However I do think there are way too many people living on the coastlines right now. I think this will start to change. For example think about how much homeowner's and flood insurance will go up after this season. Only the wealthiest people who can afford to take the loss will be able to do it.

I agree and concur (redundant)
The summary statement of... "humans are just int the way" is fairly accurate and simplistic.
The Earth/Mother Nature has much more power than we puny humans.. and I hope it stays that way.
We need to keep our humlity and respect the power of nature and try to come to grips with Geologic forces.
We should adapt to the planet... duh.. not the other way around.
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