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#1 Postby blueeyes_austin » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:20 pm

WASHINGTON -- It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level, House Speaker Dennis Hastert said of federal assistance for hurricane-devastated New Orleans.

"It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed," the Illinois Republican said in an interview Wednesday with The Daily Herald of Arlington, Ill.

Hastert, in a transcript supplied by the newspaper, said there was no question that the people of New Orleans would rebuild their city, but noted that federal insurance and other federal aid was involved. "We ought to take a second look at it. But you know we build Los Angeles and San Francisco on top of earthquake fissures and they rebuild too. Stubbornness."


Press guy tries to spin it, but it's clear there will be a fight on reconstruction funding in the House.
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#2 Postby aumoore » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:42 pm

Should New Orleans be rebuilt IMHO yes. Should we rebuild as is: no

This City was poorly engineered and what happened should have happened before now. I am sure with all the computer models and technology available today they can build back a safer city.

New Orleans is so important to the US it has to be rebuilt. 1/3 of the goods in this country come thry NO port and are shipped up the Mississippi river.
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#3 Postby CentralFlGal » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:44 pm

Perhaps engineers from the U.S. and Italy could combine efforts and share knowledge. Venice has been fighting against the sea for a few years now with acqua alta.
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#4 Postby gilbert88 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:49 pm

CentralFlGal wrote:Perhaps engineers from the U.S. and Italy could combine efforts and share knowledge. Venice has been fighting against the sea for a few years now with acqua alta.


And losing the fight...

Anyway... I think that N.O. being such a mostly old and poor area and without a good emergency plan was as vulnerable to hurricanes as is any of these so-called "Third World" (hate the categorizing) countries. Its pretty obvious the city will become sturdier and will be much better engineered when rebuilt. It would be very unfortunate to lose such a place.
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#5 Postby MBismyPlayground » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:56 pm

gilbert88 wrote:
CentralFlGal wrote:Perhaps engineers from the U.S. and Italy could combine efforts and share knowledge. Venice has been fighting against the sea for a few years now with acqua alta.


And losing the fight...

Anyway... I think that N.O. being such a mostly old and poor area and without a good emergency plan was as vulnerable to hurricanes as is any of these so-called "Third World" (hate the categorizing) countries. Its pretty obvious the city will become sturdier and will be much better engineered when rebuilt. It would be very unfortunate to lose such a place.


I never got the chance to actually go to Bourbon St. :( I would hate the idea of never having "New Orleans". Reading the above post all , this phrase went thru my mind over and over.

Ala 6 million dollar man.......
We can rebuild her.We have the technology. We have the capability ....Better than she was before. Better, stronger,.......
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#6 Postby mettski » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:02 pm

MBismyPlayground wrote:
gilbert88 wrote:
CentralFlGal wrote:Perhaps engineers from the U.S. and Italy could combine efforts and share knowledge. Venice has been fighting against the sea for a few years now with acqua alta.


And losing the fight...

Anyway... I think that N.O. being such a mostly old and poor area and without a good emergency plan was as vulnerable to hurricanes as is any of these so-called "Third World" (hate the categorizing) countries. Its pretty obvious the city will become sturdier and will be much better engineered when rebuilt. It would be very unfortunate to lose such a place.


I never got the chance to actually go to Bourbon St. :( I would hate the idea of never having "New Orleans". Reading the above post all , this phrase went thru my mind over and over.

Ala 6 million dollar man.......
We can rebuild her.We have the technology. We have the capability ....Better than she was before. Better, stronger,.......


Was thinking the same thing. there's bar where i live in ny called jacques-imos, it has a sister bar in NO. a lot of newscrews been there getting interviews. it was only last week (prior to hurricane knowledge) that i was telling someone in there that NO is the next trip i have planned. its my parents favorite place in the states. am from UK. hope they can rebuild it back to its former glory.
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#7 Postby greeng13 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:03 pm

my thoughts are this...at least some form of "hydro electric" power should be used around these pump stations so that they are not tied into the grid that inevitibly gets wiped out during major hurricanes. also even solar powered pumps are better than nothing. make them all independent of the cities grid.

it would even be a good solution for getting the/some pumps going now. although i am no engineer and may be dreaming due to time constraints but it seems like a logical solution. use the mississippi to drive pumps instead of gasoline (which is already a problem to get nationwide)powered generators! or for that matter get some whiz solar energy guy/girl there to rig something up "on the fly" to help pump out this city!

my thoughts on getting aid to those who need it (maybe should be posted on another thread). have they even considered "inundating" the refugees with air lifted supplies (i.e. crates under a parachute) like they do in other countried during wartime? sure some of them would come under the "control" of these "thugs" who are supposedly taking over the city but i believe the majority would fall in good hands. or atleast have a helicopter lower them to the interstate or the superdome, etc. where refugees have been congregated. at least they can pull a tarp over a tree to get some shade.

just my 2 cents
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#8 Postby NC George » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:33 pm

greeng13 wrote:have they even considered "inundating" the refugees with air lifted supplies (i.e. crates under a parachute) like they do in other countried during wartime? sure some of them would come under the "control" of these "thugs" who are supposedly taking over the city but i believe the majority would fall in good hands. or atleast have a helicopter lower them to the interstate or the superdome, etc. where refugees have been congregated. at least they can pull a tarp over a tree to get some shade.

just my 2 cents


In the same time it takes to lift a 200 lb person, they dould drop supplies for 100 people for a day, and give the boats the location to come and get them. I think this would be a much better use of resources.
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#9 Postby gofast » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:49 pm

MBismyPlayground wrote:I never got the chance to actually go to Bourbon St. :( I would hate the idea of never having "New Orleans". Reading the above post all , this phrase went thru my mind over and over.

Ala 6 million dollar man.......
We can rebuild her.We have the technology. We have the capability ....Better than she was before. Better, stronger,.......


But alas, there is the rub. You can never rebuild places such as the Quarter or the French Market. Part of what makes them sp special is the age, the mystery, the mystique, the dirt, the funkiness. I hope they preserve these places as best as possible, otherwise we'll end up with cleaned up, sanitized, bastardized shells of what made them so great. We'll end up with places like Mallory Square in Key West where they sucked the very soul out of the place in the name of making it accesible to the hordes.

It is going to be interesting to watch for sure.
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#10 Postby Seele » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:53 pm

I don't think the politics have really begun quite yet, although you'll see a little twist here and there. I'm just seeing an outcry to help these people and a growing anger at what people are seeing with the lack of help in the area.
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#11 Postby arcticfire » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:23 pm

I agree with the House speaker. It does not make any sence to have the entire nation bear the cost of rebuilding a city that shouldn't be there. Fill in the bowl with dirt or don't rebuild. I don't want to hear about reasons why we should have a city surrounded by water that is under sea level. Common sence should rule here. If they rebuild it WILL happen again.
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