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#1 Postby azsnowman » Thu May 15, 2003 11:01 pm

I know this may be a touchy subject for some of you (you know me Lindaloo "LOL!) if so, please say so, far be it from me to ruffle any feathers 8-)

What is your take on doctor ass. suicide? Does a person have the legal right to end their life? The reason I'm bringing this up, you remember that friend of mine who passed away last month, Billy? Well, her husband Glenn, looks terrible :cry: I stopped to visit him yesterday and he is ready to go to be with his sweetheart, he said he wishes he knew of a doctor that would help him *cross over*. Glenn for one, is in POOR health, he too, from what he told me, has cancer of the colon, he hasn't said a WORD to anyone but me about this. Anyway, what is your take on this matter?

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#2 Postby JQ Public » Thu May 15, 2003 11:06 pm

I reallly think a person has the right to say let me go. I really believe this is different from suicide, b/c in an earlier time there would only be a slim chance of survival. Not equating humans to animals, but putting a beloved pet out of misery is just as ok with me as someone asking to have their ventilators cut off or medication (which will not save the person but only give them a few more years) to stop. I really think people have the choice. This can almost go into another more controversial issue...but i'll leave it at that :)
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#3 Postby pojo » Fri May 16, 2003 12:44 am

We should let the terminally ill person decide whether he/she wants to live in pain 24/7. Yes the doctor has to make the final decision, but with many patients...the pain can become unbearable and life is not worth the sacrifices. If it was my life, I would 'asked' to be put down. I am reminded of many family members that had terminally ill diagnoses and they lived each day to the fullest, but on the other hand, also thought about how life would be on the other side.
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#4 Postby vbhoutex » Fri May 16, 2003 1:05 am

I firmly believe that a person has the right to decide if they want to continue to live in a deteriorating, unbearable state or not. My father made it very clear he did not want to be kept alive if he was terminal. He had colon cancer. When the time came to make that decision my mon and I consulted the doctors and they agreed. Before anything was done they went in and talked to my dad and even though he was almost comatose, they told him what we had decided and he agreed. All life support except for morphine for pain was removed and we were put in a private room with him. We were with him at the end holding his hand and praying.
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#5 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri May 16, 2003 6:49 am

My mother had a fear of being kept alive by machines. I fully support the right of a person to decide on artificial life support. I think there is a strong case as well for Doctor assisted suicide. When the quality of life so deteriorates that it iss unbearable then a person should have a choice. The specific circumstances where this should be allowed is the tougher decision here. Probably a medical panel and not politicians should set the standards.
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#6 Postby j » Fri May 16, 2003 7:42 am

I'll put my 2 cents in gladly. Coincidentally. I had this very discussion yesterday at break with 5 or 6 Southern Baptists. Needless to say, I was a "minority". We discussed 2 things. One taking their own life, and one having their own death administered by a member of the medical profession. My stance: I'm totally against Doctor assisted suicide because I think it's un-ethical. That's not just my feeling...that's the way its written in the oath they take. If they don't like it, they should try to change it, or not become a doctor. Doctor's are about the preservation of life; not the ending of it.

Now..and here is where I got myself into trouble. It is my stance that any person wishing to commit suicide, is more than welcome to. I was greeted with an eary silence followed by the expected quoting from the Bible.

But, I stand by what I believe in and supported it as follows. One day, following the death of my father, from an excruciatingly long drawn out battle with Cancer, I sat down and had a discussion with my Mother. Actually she had it with me. She informed me, and my sister, that if she was to ever get in the condition that Dad had been in, that she was going to take her life. At first we were shocked. She went on to justify herself, in a way NONE of us could comprehend without livng in her shoes for the last 3 years. The agony she saw her husband go through. She told us of how many times near the end, he had told her he just wishes it could be over. He was addicted to morphine drip feed, dillusional, constantly in agonizing pain. His quality of life, as he had judged for himself, was so terrible that life was a burden, and death was becoming a welcome event.

We talked about this at length with her, but in the end, she told us it was her life, and having lived through this, she did not want to go through it again. She said she would end her life if it came to that.

I support her decision, and anybody elses to do the same, under terminal conditions, AFTER everything that can be done has been done. No man or woman should have to suffer, and although I will be devastated, if and when it would ever come to the day that my Mother would make this choice...I will remember it was a choice she alone can make.

Some of you will undoubtebly say that I must then support Freedom of Choice. Because after all, it's your body and you can do with it as you please.

One HUGE difference though, in that inside that body that you think you can do whatever you want with, is a baby waiting to be born. Not the same thing.
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#7 Postby azsnowman » Fri May 16, 2003 8:28 am

Sorry if I've brought up some bad memories with this thread, that was not my intention.

I have mixed feelings about this issue, for one, like j brought up, the biblical issues. I know your *not* suppose to take your own life however, if your laying there suffering beyond comprehension and you've been given days/weeks to live, why suffer any longer?? JQ brought up a GREAT point, we don't let our beloved pets suffer, they know when it's time, they let us know. I've got a directive that *if and when* the time comes for me, there will be no life support, just let me go in peace, preferably at home. I had another good friend a few years back, she had terminal lung cancer, Hospic came in to assist with the care of Ouida, she LOVED her Vodka, towards the end, she was on a morphin drip, when Hospic found out she was still *sippin her Vodka* they blew a cork :roll: They said "You shouldn't MIX alch and drugs!" :grr: COME ON....the poor lady only had weeks to live, her husband Ed brought their doctor in, asked his opinion on the matter, HE then blew HIS cork, needless to say, she enjoyed her double screwdrivers until the end!

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#8 Postby Lindaloo » Fri May 16, 2003 9:33 am

Yes I do know ya Dennis. LOL! Anyway, I am going to share a story with everybody that may just make you change your minds on this subject.

Back in 1990, my Father-in-law was diagnosed with colon cancer. Upon surgery they found that it had spread to his lungs. After that he went downhill very fast. All his children took turns staying with him at night. On the night it was my turn (along with my bro-in-law Robert) Joe (Father-in-law) was tossing and turning. We kept watching him and he finally told us he was in so much pain!! About an hour later Joe rose up in his bed and said "What is that bright light" Robert said "Daddy there are no lights on" (and there wasn't!!). Joe said "But that light right there is very bright and warm" Robert and I looked at each other and said "Go for it Daddy" about 30 minutes later he was gone. Everyone else was crying and shaking Robert and I just sat there in awe. We believed at that VERY moment that the bright light he saw was God's hands reaching out to him. We did not see it and I assure you the room was dark except for the nurse's button and a dim light coming through the bottom of the hospital door. Joe was pointing to the walls when he said that about the light.

I was VERY proud to have witnessed that moment. You have NO idea what that felt like. I still get choked up to this day when I talk about it.

So what I believe Dennis... is that God never lets his children suffer.
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#9 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri May 16, 2003 9:57 am

Touching story Lindaloo but I have to repectfully disagree on your conclusion. God most certainly does let his children suffer. He provides a source of peace and comfort but suffering is part of life here on earth.

Modern science and medicine is a two-edged sword. Many times life is preserved long after it should be IMO.
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#10 Postby Lindaloo » Fri May 16, 2003 12:04 pm

I was talking about the terminally ill Marshall. Not the suffering in general. :D
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#11 Postby TexasStooge » Fri May 16, 2003 1:05 pm

If a doc. has a right to take another life, i say that doc's a
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#12 Postby TexasStooge » Fri May 16, 2003 1:15 pm

If you're gonna need a doctor to help you out, make sure he/she doesn't encourage you to committ suicide.
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#13 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri May 16, 2003 1:24 pm

Lindaloo, I was talking about the terminally ill as well as man-kind in general. My mother succumbed after 20 years of battling Lupus. We watched her fight for years against a illness that attacked every system in her body. Suffer she did indeed! I have absolutely no doubt that she is with our Lord now and not suffering ( excexpt when one of her children make a bonne-head decision). In her last days she knew that her two oldest grand children were coming for a Christmas visit. In spite of her condition she made it to see her grandbabies at Christmas time one last time. The day after they left to return home to Texas, we had to take her back into the emergency room and later that night she was admitted. She went into a coma the following day and never woke up. To this day I believe that a kind nurse who was caring for her and was a very close friend, helped her leave this world in peace. If she did, and I'll never ask, she was one of God's Angels...
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#14 Postby Lindaloo » Fri May 16, 2003 2:28 pm

Oh goodness Marshall. I have no dispute with your experience. What I do know is my Father-in-law suffered as well. And I also believe too that your Mother and my Father-in-law are both with the Lord and are no longer suffering. That I believe in whole heartedly!! Your Mother sounds like a very strong person who loves her family VERY much. Thanks for sharing that with me. :)
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#15 Postby mf_dolphin » Fri May 16, 2003 2:38 pm

She was a fire breather sometimes! Good Irish blood and red hair to go with it :-) One thing her battle proved to me that the will to live is a force that we just don't understand. She was diagnosed with Lupus when I was in Junior High and given 2-3 years to live. She fought it for 20 years before giving up. I guess you could say she was a fighter! :-) She's in a much better place now for sure!
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#16 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri May 16, 2003 10:02 pm

I do not have a problem with either suicide or doctor assisted suicide, if the person is capable of making the decision. In addition, I do not feel that this conflicts with the strong Christian stance as this would not be an unforgivable sin (only unforgivable one being blasphemy against the holy spirit); thus, the person will still end up in heavan if he/she asks for forgiveness for his act.
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#17 Postby azsnowman » Fri May 16, 2003 10:38 pm

GREAT, GREAT point Derek, "Thank You!" I'll post more later, it's late and ol snowmans BEAT!!!

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