I'm not believing what I'm seeing on FOX

[LSU2001]

Geraldo DOES keep talking about how it's been six days, and maybe it just seems like that to him, but the hurricane struck on Monday, and almost no one was aware of the levee breaks until Tuesday.

Those people have been stuck at the Civic Center for four days for the maybe 8,000 that might have been there on Monday. For the rest of them, and I suspect that it's a bit less than 30,000, they for the most part have arrived in the last two days. I've been following the timeline on the migration to that area, and the big influx to that area started Wednesday afternoon or evening.

I think you guys need to recount YOUR TIME

Most of the people in the Superdome began arriveing there sunday morning. If I remember correctly many folks on this very board were griping about the long lines and the stupidity of searching the people. Could you imagine what it would be like if many came in ARMED. The storm hit Sunday night/Monday morning. Monday night many were breathing a sigh of relief and by tuesday morning all hell broke loose. If you count the hours and hours many spent standing in line to be searched to get in the dome they HAVE been there for SIX DAYS. You cant just start counting from Monday or Tuesday that is simply when the power went out and the plumbing stopped working.
TIm

[soonertwister]

Geraldo DOES keep talking about how it's been six days, and maybe it just seems like that to him, but the hurricane struck on Monday, and almost no one was aware of the levee breaks until Tuesday.

Those people have been stuck at the Civic Center for four days for the maybe 8,000 that might have been there on Monday. For the rest of them, and I suspect that it's a bit less than 30,000, they for the most part have arrived in the last two days. I've been following the timeline on the migration to that area, and the big influx to that area started Wednesday afternoon or evening.

I think you guys need to recount YOUR TIME

Most of the people in the Superdome began arriveing there sunday morning. If I remember correctly many folks on this very board were griping about the long lines and the stupidity of searching the people. Could you imagine what it would be like if many came in ARMED. The storm hit Sunday night/Monday morning. Monday night many were breathing a sigh of relief and by tuesday morning all hell broke loose. If you count the hours and hours many spent standing in line to be searched to get in the dome they HAVE been there for SIX DAYS. You cant just start counting from Monday or Tuesday that is simply when the power went out and the plumbing stopped working.
TIm

LSU, I was speaking there of the Civic Center, not the Superdome. Most estimates of those who had arrived at the Superdome prior to landfall were between 8-12 thousand, although some hyped that up to as much as about 26 thousand. It's really clear though, that the majority of the initial 30 thousand arrived well after the storm abated. From everything I've seen, the total number that have evacuated to that location alone has been well in excess of 50 thousand, and quite plausibly in excess of 60 thousand. They took away everyone who was there, and it filled up in nothing flat to even more people. Part of the latter was from the mass evacuations of the highrise apartments and hotels in downtown NOLA, where people from their high vantage point saw the arriving bus convoy, and poured out into the streets to make it to their perceived rescue point.

But look hard at my original post. It was about the Civic Center. That place has had thousands there since before landfall, but the numbers there swelled hugely after the levee breaks starting on either late Tuesday or early Wednesday, when people started to flee from the violence to higher ground.

[Terry]

I don't like Fox, but I put them on when CNN pulled almost all of their reporters out of NO. Shep. Smith has done a beyond great job. He is showing the signs of crisis fatigue and they do need to give him some rest! But you just know he wants to see this through til the crisis is over in NOLA.

Geraldo - well, I just can't stand to watch him for one minute.

[Ivanhater]

well i just watched it, and i think the part where geraldo told one lady to "get out of the way so the AUDIENCE can see" explains it all, he thinks this is a "show" and its sick

[GalvestonDuck]

I wonder how many of you are lucky enough to have been born too late to see Geraldo's talk show. I think his was the one that brought trash-talk TV into the spotlight, although Jerry Springer raised the bar. Of course, the grandfather of it all was Phil Donahue.

[Chilly_Water]

Geraldo needs to be hung. I do not disagree that the those poor unfortunate souls at the Convention Center are hurting and really pissed off, but Geraldo is trying to incite a riot for ratings. Every other word out of his mouth is "once it gets dark, things are gonna get bad" or "LOOK at this poor poor baby. WHAT was the government thinking?! I'd be angry as hell<insert fake tears while holding baby>."
You'd think he'd bow out of the game after doing the same damn thing many years ago and getting hit in the face with a chair. Geraldo was the kid in elementary school who told all the girls who his friends liked even though it was a "secret." Tries desperately to get a reaction. Makes me sick.
And Shep got into the drama as well only after Geraldo started his spewing. I like Shep too even though he works for FOX. I only watch FOX during 'canes. Rest of the time it's just Repub drivel.
Rant off.

[Brent]

I wonder how many of you are lucky enough to have been born too late to see Geraldo's talk show. I think his was the one that brought trash-talk TV into the spotlight, although Jerry Springer raised the bar. Of course, the grandfather of it all was Phil Donahue.

*me*

I can faintly remember him at CNBC... I feel old now.

[NFLnut]

I tried to forget Donahue and that big microphone!

Yes .. Donahue's basic message every day back in the 70s -- the era of Alan Alda and male sensitivity -- was "Men Suck, Men Suck, Men Suck, Men Suck, .."

[GalvestonDuck]

I wonder how many of you are lucky enough to have been born too late to see Geraldo's talk show. I think his was the one that brought trash-talk TV into the spotlight, although Jerry Springer raised the bar. Of course, the grandfather of it all was Phil Donahue.

*me*

I can faintly remember him at CNBC... I feel old now.

*snicker* CNBC? No, Brent...you're too young. "Rivera Live" was his CNBC show. That was in the 90's. But in the late 80's, he had a talk show like Montel, Oprah, and the others. But his was really sensationalistic and trashy. The most memorable moment was when a skinhead through a chair at him and broke his nose during a show with Neonazis.

Dude...be thankful you missed that stuff.

[vbhoutex]

I wonder how many of you are lucky enough to have been born too late to see Geraldo's talk show. I think his was the one that brought trash-talk TV into the spotlight, although Jerry Springer raised the bar. Of course, the grandfather of it all was Phil Donahue.

*me*

I can faintly remember him at CNBC... I feel old now.

*snicker* CNBC? No, Brent...you're too young. "Rivera Live" was his CNBC show. That was in the 90's. But in the late 80's, he had a talk show like Montel, Oprah, and the others. But his was really sensationalistic and trashy. The most memorable moment was when a skinhead through a chair at him and broke his nose during a show with Neonazis.

Dude...be thankful you missed that stuff.

I've been repressing those memories for years!!!!! Now I'll have nightmares!!!

[GalvestonDuck]

Geraldo, a media pinhead,
Got a shocking surprise from a skinhead.
Through the air / came a chair
Which impacted him square.
His nose got banged up and his chin bled.

(Not mine, but I can't post the link it's from -- notoriously gross site)

[LSU2001]

Geraldo DOES keep talking about how it's been six days, and maybe it just seems like that to him, but the hurricane struck on Monday, and almost no one was aware of the levee breaks until Tuesday.

Those people have been stuck at the Civic Center for four days for the maybe 8,000 that might have been there on Monday. For the rest of them, and I suspect that it's a bit less than 30,000, they for the most part have arrived in the last two days. I've been following the timeline on the migration to that area, and the big influx to that area started Wednesday afternoon or evening.

I think you guys need to recount YOUR TIME

Most of the people in the Superdome began arriveing there sunday morning. If I remember correctly many folks on this very board were griping about the long lines and the stupidity of searching the people. Could you imagine what it would be like if many came in ARMED. The storm hit Sunday night/Monday morning. Monday night many were breathing a sigh of relief and by tuesday morning all hell broke loose. If you count the hours and hours many spent standing in line to be searched to get in the dome they HAVE been there for SIX DAYS. You cant just start counting from Monday or Tuesday that is simply when the power went out and the plumbing stopped working.
TIm

LSU, I was speaking there of the Civic Center, not the Superdome. Most estimates of those who had arrived at the Superdome prior to landfall were between 8-12 thousand, although some hyped that up to as much as about 26 thousand. It's really clear though, that the majority of the initial 30 thousand arrived well after the storm abated. From everything I've seen, the total number that have evacuated to that location alone has been well in excess of 50 thousand, and quite plausibly in excess of 60 thousand. They took away everyone who was there, and it filled up in nothing flat to even more people. Part of the latter was from the mass evacuations of the highrise apartments and hotels in downtown NOLA, where people from their high vantage point saw the arriving bus convoy, and poured out into the streets to make it to their perceived rescue point.

But look hard at my original post. It was about the Civic Center. That place has had thousands there since before landfall, but the numbers there swelled hugely after the levee breaks starting on either late Tuesday or early Wednesday, when people started to flee from the violence to higher ground.

Gotcha Sooner,
I noticed that about the civic center after I responded. I know that you are not bashing anyone but the media and their hype but you know they are going to hype anything to get ratings. I read a thread earlier on another board that was saying that people in NOLA were only on day three so they should not be desperate. I don't want anyone to percieve that the mess in NOLA is not absolutly horrific. Why it is, who's fault it is, what can be done next time, are all questions for later. Right now the reality is people are dying in NOLA and dying in BR after evacuation. It is not pretty and these people are truly desperate.
TIm

[Chilly_Water]

Geraldo, a media pinhead,
Got a shocking surprise from a skinhead.
Through the air / came a chair
Which impacted him square.
His nose got banged up and his chin bled.

(Not mine, but I can't post the link it's from -- notoriously gross site)

I remember reading somewhere that he was curled up in the fetal position under a chair crying while waiting in the ER waiting room. LOTS of plastic surgery. True story.
...what a donut.

[chrisnnavarre]

That's weird, I would have expected FOX to have someone like Lesley Neilson from the movie the Naked Gun standing in front of burning building saying "Theres nothing here to see, move on now, there's nothing here to see".

[MBismyPlayground]

You know people, I just got home from work and this same thing was being rebroadcasted. Regardless of how many people dislike Geraldo, or how much of a BAD "actor" he is, the one thing that cannot be disputed is that there is still problems at the convention center. I mean, he may be over acting, but he is still there, and I am sure he would not have been able to convince one of those angry people to "ACT" for the camera.
On this thread,and I dont recall who said it but they said "Because it appeared to me, the people he was talking to werent starving nor dehydrated. The baby wasnt crying until Geraldo began hyping up. Proporational reaction. I've seen few people actually dehydrated or not able bodied individuals who couldnt walk to safety prior to the storm. "
I will admit that I am not a doctor, but I am curious if the person who made this statement is. Sunken eyes is the only symptom of dehydration that one could actually SEE, without touching.......unless this person was able to look at these people's urine or take blood or measure their blood presure.
I am curious if this person realizes that one of the symtoms of SEVERE dehydration is becoming lethargic, which leads into a comatose state. Infants and children are more susceptible to dehydration than adults because of their smaller body weights and higher turnover of water and electrolytes. The elderly and those with illnesses are also at higher risk.Untreated severe dehydration may result in seizures, permanent brain damage, or death
I am not trying to give a lesson on health care, but looks and appearances can be decieving.
I am completly appalled at the gall of some people who make statements such as this.

[Windy]

That's weird, I would have expected FOX to have someone like Lesley Neilson from the movie the Naked Gun standing in front of burning building saying "Theres nothing here to see, move on now, there's nothing here to see".

Which is exactly why you know it must be hell on earth down there. When the Fox reporters abandon all attempt at spin and even the whip of Bill O'Reilly can't draw them back into the herd, you know the situation has reached a new level of seriousness.

[Cookiely]

Concerning the crowds at the convention center. I believe that some of this has been hyped by the media. I won't say they are not hot and tired. They may even be hungry, but they are not going without fluids. I saw many many bottles tossed to the ground with water in them, gatorade, and other drinks. If someone is dehydrated they don't have the energy to do all those shenanigans the crowds were exhibiting. Most people aren't geared for any type of suffering anymore (I include myself as far as heat is concerned). Someone posted a wonderful article from a newspaper about one of the hurricanes in the 1800's and the damage incurred. I keep thinking about those people. They sure didn't have any federal response to their dire needs. If I've learned one lesson from this it is that you have to be able to take care of yourself for at least five days until major help can arrive and to put your hurricane kit into a water tight container.

[Windy]

Concerning the crowds at the convention center. I believe that some of this has been hyped by the media. I won't say they are not hot and tired. They may even be hungry, but they are not going without fluids. I saw many many bottles tossed to the ground with water in them, gatorade, and other drinks. If someone is dehydrated they don't have the energy to do all those shenanigans the crowds were exhibiting. Most people aren't geared for any type of suffering anymore (I include myself as far as heat is concerned). Someone posted a wonderful article from a newspaper about one of the hurricanes in the 1800's and the damage incurred. I keep thinking about those people. They sure didn't have any federal response to their dire needs. If I've learned one lesson from this it is that you have to be able to take care of yourself for at least five days until major help can arrive and to put your hurricane kit into a water tight container.

Well, with due respect, I think I'll take the word of the reporters on the ground who are there and trained to observe and report over your snap amateur medical evaluation of 25,000 people based upon seeing half-dozen agitated people over the boob toob.

Or, perhaps you can just trust the mayor of the city when he says that he's there and that there is (was, hopefully, by now) no food and no water for days.

Or maybe you can explain your medical theories to the bodies of the dead babies and elderly currently laid out in the freezer in the convention center.

People can't take suffering? Tell ya what. If you really think that going without food and water for five days while stomping around in human feces (some yours, some not) as people die and people are raped around you, knowing that your home is destroyed and your job is gone and some of your family is missing and there is no relief in sight is something that people should just learn to DEAL with, then I'll drop my argument -- you win.

BTW, are you seriously measuring today's emergency response against the response from the 1800's in order to make a favorable comparison?

[Cookiely]

Concerning the crowds at the convention center. I believe that some of this has been hyped by the media. I won't say they are not hot and tired. They may even be hungry, but they are not going without fluids. I saw many many bottles tossed to the ground with water in them, gatorade, and other drinks. If someone is dehydrated they don't have the energy to do all those shenanigans the crowds were exhibiting. Most people aren't geared for any type of suffering anymore (I include myself as far as heat is concerned). Someone posted a wonderful article from a newspaper about one of the hurricanes in the 1800's and the damage incurred. I keep thinking about those people. They sure didn't have any federal response to their dire needs. If I've learned one lesson from this it is that you have to be able to take care of yourself for at least five days until major help can arrive and to put your hurricane kit into a water tight container.

Well, with due respect, I think I'll take the word of the reporters on the ground who are there and trained to observe and report over your snap amateur medical evaluation of 25,000 people based upon seeing half-dozen agitated people over the boob toob.

Or, perhaps you can just trust the mayor of the city when he says that he's there and that there is (was, hopefully, by now) no food and no water for days.

Or maybe you can explain your medical theories to the bodies of the dead babies and elderly currently laid out in the freezer in the convention center.

People can't take suffering? Tell ya what. If you really think that going without food and water for five days while stomping around in human feces (some yours, some not) as people die and people are raped around you, knowing that your home is destroyed and your job is gone and some of your family is missing and there is no relief in sight is something that people should just learn to DEAL with, then I'll drop my argument -- you win.

BTW, are you seriously measuring today's emergency response against the response from the 1800's in order to make a favorable comparison?

I believe the media can spin things the way they want to in a given situation based on their agenda. You see the same piece of film on one looter and think there are five thousand. You show one crying baby that they say is dehydrated when he might actually be colicky from eating too much. I saw a mother pinch her son to make him cry on camera. Why haven't they shown even once the gaurd handing out food and water in the convention center? As for the bodies, they sadden me, but what is more important taking care of the living or dead.

[inotherwords]

I wonder how many of you are lucky enough to have been born too late to see Geraldo's talk show. I think his was the one that brought trash-talk TV into the spotlight, although Jerry Springer raised the bar. Of course, the grandfather of it all was Phil Donahue.

*me*

I can faintly remember him at CNBC... I feel old now.

*snicker* CNBC? No, Brent...you're too young. "Rivera Live" was his CNBC show. That was in the 90's. But in the late 80's, he had a talk show like Montel, Oprah, and the others. But his was really sensationalistic and trashy. The most memorable moment was when a skinhead through a chair at him and broke his nose during a show with Neonazis.

Dude...be thankful you missed that stuff.

I remember Geraldo from the early 70s in New York City as a reporter on Eyewitness News Ch. 7. He actually was not bad in those days except he cracked up laughing too much on camera. They all did on that show, Jim Bouton was the sports guy and he could never give a broadcast without breaking down laughing.

I never watch Faux News, not objective enough for me and way too much sensationalism.