I'm not believing what I'm seeing on FOX

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#41 Postby caribepr » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:59 am

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Cookiely wrote:Concerning the crowds at the convention center. I believe that some of this has been hyped by the media. I won't say they are not hot and tired. They may even be hungry, but they are not going without fluids. I saw many many bottles tossed to the ground with water in them, gatorade, and other drinks. If someone is dehydrated they don't have the energy to do all those shenanigans the crowds were exhibiting. Most people aren't geared for any type of suffering anymore (I include myself as far as heat is concerned). Someone posted a wonderful article from a newspaper about one of the hurricanes in the 1800's and the damage incurred. I keep thinking about those people. They sure didn't have any federal response to their dire needs. If I've learned one lesson from this it is that you have to be able to take care of yourself for at least five days until major help can arrive and to put your hurricane kit into a water tight container.


Well, with due respect, I think I'll take the word of the reporters on the ground who are there and trained to observe and report over your snap amateur medical evaluation of 25,000 people based upon seeing half-dozen agitated people over the boob toob.

Or, perhaps you can just trust the mayor of the city when he says that he's there and that there is (was, hopefully, by now) no food and no water for days.

Or maybe you can explain your medical theories to the bodies of the dead babies and elderly currently laid out in the freezer in the convention center.

People can't take suffering? Tell ya what. If you really think that going without food and water for five days while stomping around in human feces (some yours, some not) as people die and people are raped around you, knowing that your home is destroyed and your job is gone and some of your family is missing and there is no relief in sight is something that people should just learn to DEAL with, then I'll drop my argument -- you win.

BTW, are you seriously measuring today's emergency response against the response from the 1800's in order to make a favorable comparison?

I believe the media can spin things the way they want to in a given situation based on their agenda. You see the same piece of film on one looter and think there are five thousand. You show one crying baby that they say is dehydrated when he might actually be colicky from eating too much. I saw a mother pinch her son to make him cry on camera. Why haven't they shown even once the gaurd handing out food and water in the convention center? As for the bodies, they sadden me, but what is more important taking care of the living or dead.


And...what would the *agenda* be here? Viewers? Popularity? Perhaps a book or movie deal? That must be it! This is all a big set up to get something out of it later...damn, I wish I'd figured that out days ago, thanks for setting us all straight.
I won't even bother with a serious reply to your posts as you obviously live on a planet far far away from the majority of humans I know, and communication seems to be a problem. On your planet, I think perhaps there might too much time spent in front of the television making reality and fiction blend into mush.
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#42 Postby banshee » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:08 am

MBismyPlayground, I wrote the statements. I've been around ES and medical people all my life..... step mother would be a nurse. I've spent the last 6 months of my life walking the floors of hospitals... so yeah, I think I might know just a tad about dehydration and starvation. Starvation does not set in after 4 days. Dehydration happens when the body begins to lose large amounts of fluids without being replenished.

While Geraldo was hyping up the obviously non-starved child the woman was trying to explain to him she had 2 OTHER missing grandchildren. He was so busy with over exaggeration he missed the real story which is she has 2 MORE missing grandchildren.

As for Shep, I watch him all the time and believe its the first time I'd ever seen him in such a state. What I would like to know is why the check point was set up. My guess it was for safety and they only stopped people from migrating after dark. He failed to tell when and why the check point was set up.

Soooooo, they arent reporting and I cant decide.
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#43 Postby caribepr » Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:25 am

Just a little reality check for the obviously extremely experienced medical statement writer (what position is that exactly?) - 6 months walking the floors of hospitals and step mother a nurse, vast medical knowledge is the implication here, if I am correct; and the media savvy one who condemns the reporting, and therefore the reports themselves, given by a person who is an industry & world wide joke.

This is off the BBC website (though, hey, they could be faking these pictures, you know how twisted the media is).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/p ... html/1.stm

Edited by GD to add -- GRAPHIC IMAGE WARNING
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#44 Postby MBismyPlayground » Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:32 am

banshee wrote:MBismyPlayground, I wrote the statements. I've been around ES and medical people all my life..... step mother would be a nurse. I've spent the last 6 months of my life walking the floors of hospitals... so yeah, I think I might know just a tad about dehydration and starvation. Starvation does not set in after 4 days. Dehydration happens when the body begins to lose large amounts of fluids without being replenished.

While Geraldo was hyping up the obviously non-starved child the woman was trying to explain to him she had 2 OTHER missing grandchildren. He was so busy with over exaggeration he missed the real story which is she has 2 MORE missing grandchildren.

As for Shep, I watch him all the time and believe its the first time I'd ever seen him in such a state. What I would like to know is why the check point was set up. My guess it was for safety and they only stopped people from migrating after dark. He failed to tell when and why the check point was set up.

Soooooo, they arent reporting and I cant decide.


OKay.......My mother is a Emergency room nurse,spelled out RN, and that makes me a what????????
hhmm guess that makes me an authority at triage as well.(patting myself on the back) I guess the doctors who are triaging and treating these people have lost their minds as well when they say they are treating people for dehydration and well as other ailments. (smacking myself for believing the people who are actually there) Maybe the docs have become delirious from all of this. Excuse my sarcasim here but,.....
I have been around soldiers most of my adult life, and have watched soldiers(who are inA1 health) fall out in the heat from dehydration. Not in 4 days with lack of water or proper nutrition. But in less then 3 hours.

Geraldo and some of the other reporters may over act, won't say they don't. won't even disagree they pick inappropriate times, but they want the truth out there. Granted, he missed the real story there, and maybe that child was not sick. The mother actually looked worse off. At this point no one is actually starving as it takes a bit longer with no food to starve. But is this really the point??? The point was that these people are still in dire straits. Period. I have heard from several "friends" who are there for humanitarian relief. They have said that the conditions are worse then some of the conditions in 3rd world country disasters. Of course, they relayed a bit more info but that is OPSEC. (for those of you who were military, you get my drift and probably who I have been in contact with, and I am SURE they are not lying or sensationalizing)
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#45 Postby oneness » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:01 am

On the upside, this real-time horror may finally rid us of contrived "Reality Television".
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#46 Postby MBismyPlayground » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:11 am

oneness wrote:On the upside, this real-time horror may finally rid us of contrived "Reality Television".


TOO FUNNY!!!!!!! Can you imagine an episode of FEAR FACTOR or SURVIVOR based in this destruction??
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#47 Postby gratefulnole » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:31 am

I find Geraldo to be entertaining but at least he is not smiling on location with misery behind him like some of those on MSNBC. I find both Shep Smith and Anderson Cooper best for getting a real feeling for what it actually like at the scene.

This "sensationalized" reporting is playing a large part in speeding up and increasing the gov't response.
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#48 Postby JQ Public » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:34 am

mahicks wrote:I'm sorry for not reading the whole thread....I just read the OP post and immediately went to the post reply button.

Fox News...To ME, is SHOCK TV....I will never in the near future think anything different....Do I watch it sometimes??? Yes....It has some great first breaking info...But......I also have to "mute the volume" just a bit....................[/u][/i]



edited for grammar, which still probably sucks, but was obvious.............


Agreed!
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#49 Postby cswitwer » Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:47 am

Um, to all you people who claim to be medical experts.

I collapsed and had to be hospitalized for dehydration because I had been sitting in a park watching kickball games for two hours when it was about 85 degrees. I looked and acted perfectly normal until the minute I collapsed - cheering and talking and having a grand old time, just felt kind of hot. They had to pump me full of two bags of saline, I threw up, had a raging headache and had to stay in bed for two days. They said that I hadn't been getting enough liquids (oops I didn't drink my eight glasses a day, only four), plus the heat (which is nothing compared to the 110 heat index in NO) had caused me to become extremely dehydrated.

I don't know where you are getting your medical opinions, but this is from personal experience here. You can get extremely sick from being dehydrated in just a few hours. You can die from it in a matter of hours, or just a few days. Especially when combined with stress, lack of sleep and heat.

Heck, just go to Google and look it up - I just saw dozens of stories just now, just by LOOKING, of children, refugees, athletes and perfectly normal folks who collapsed and died of dehydration in hours to just a few days.
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#50 Postby Stephanie » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:06 pm

I had food poisoning one year when I was on vacation in Colorado. I think it may have been from pepperoni pizza I ate the day before in Boulder. Anyway, we hiking in Roxborough Park between Denver and Colorado Springs when I got ill. I was supposed to leave for home that day but I ended up having to be hospitalized myself and receive 2 bags of IV. My tongue was shrivelled, I was weak, EXTREMELY THRISTY, but I couldn't keep even water down. It was very dangerous because we were at such a high altitude that dehydration can happen even faster.

That heat, humidity, stress and lack of water down there in NO can certainly cause dehydration but also heat stroke. There was a report of a man that took shelter in the Superdome, came out for some air, had a seizure and died. I don't know if he's had seizures before, but if not, I'm sure it was due to all of those conditions.
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Re: I'm not believing what I'm seeing on FOX

#51 Postby smashmode » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:11 pm

banshee wrote:I have never seen such extreme sensationalism by so called journalist and reporters.


Fox news is not the only one..you guys seeing how frustrated Anderson COoper was?

Its BAD down there. Period.
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#52 Postby smashmode » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:14 pm

Stephanie wrote:
I agree. However, if I hear that Geraldo is ANYWHERE, I will automatically become skeptical about what he is "reporting". :roll:


Generally I agree, but Did ANYONE of you see his interview with the NOLA chief of Police?

Was that sensationlism? The amount of true emotion coming from the chief of police, assured me that it was NOT fake. That conditions we're terrible.

Also, you got doctors stuck in hospitals..who are giving each other IV's just to survive.

This story is not being overhyped people..this is real.
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#53 Postby Windy » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:46 pm

banshee wrote:As for Shep, I watch him all the time and believe its the first time I'd ever seen him in such a state. What I would like to know is why the check point was set up. My guess it was for safety and they only stopped people from migrating after dark. He failed to tell when and why the check point was set up.


The checkpoint is pretty elementary: there is civil unrest going on right now. If you let those people leave the city in their current state and force they're going to sack the first small community they come to. Not because they're monsters, but because people get crazy-desperate after five days of no food and water. And a mob of 25,000 people can do some real damage. And once that happens, it spreads. They're trying to make sure they contain the civil unrest to NOLA.
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#54 Postby GalvestonDuck » Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:21 pm

Was I imagining it, or did they (FOX) show a family swimming (bathing?) in their swimming pool in the backyard? The water inside the pool was slightly cleaner looking that the flood water that surrounded the pool. They waved, gave thumbs up, climbed on a ladder connected to a ramp leading to their porch, danced, and smiled.
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#55 Postby smashmode » Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:25 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:Was I imagining it, or did they (FOX) show a family swimming (bathing?) in their swimming pool in the backyard? The water inside the pool was slightly cleaner looking that the flood water that surrounded the pool. They waved, gave thumbs up, climbed on a ladder connected to a ramp leading to their porch, danced, and smiled.


Trying to make the best of a bad situation?..damn.
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#56 Postby JQ Public » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:33 pm

I FOUND THE LINK of GERALDO. You may have to scroll down to get to the geraldo video.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannit ... -in-NO.wmv

This is unbelievable...After watching it I have to agree with Shepard and Geraldo. Its sad and smthg needs to be done. I hope something has since this video came out :(
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#57 Postby JQ Public » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:26 pm

Its amazing how much of a difference 3 days makes. Seems like geraldo and shep were somewhat right!
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