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#41 Postby NFLnut » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:09 pm

Houstonia wrote:My brother-in-law just came back from volunteering triage here in Houston. He heard many sad stories, including one woman who tried to bring her poodle with her. They took it from her and physically threw it from the bus. She cried and said she saw it running behind the bus as they pulled out - it ran and ran and ran till it could no longer keep up.

That had me in tears in a second - not only for the poor little poodle who almost certainly won't survive, but for the woman who was forced to abandon it.


Yes. The human loss is hard enough to handle, but for these poor people who have lost everything, hearing the pet stories is just too hard to take!
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#42 Postby cancunkid » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:38 pm

http://www.nola.com/forums/animals/inde ... itial=true here is the nola site listing a forum for animal rescue. If you know anyone with animals to be rescued in NO this would be a good place to post it. Perhaps the sunherald will have the same for Mississippi residents.
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#43 Postby cancunkid » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:44 pm

I decided to just go ahead and contact the sunhearld and suggest that they start a forum for people to list for their lost pets. I am sure there are a lot of them loose along the MS gulf who could possibly be identified particularly in this day and age of digital photos not that some of them are going to look pretty after a week of fending for themselves.
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#44 Postby simplykristi » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:46 pm

Some of the animal stories have made me cry. If you do not have pets, there is no way you can truly understand what it is like to lose a pet or having to leave a pet behind.

Kristi... owned by a cat and dog

P.S. Edited for a typo
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#45 Postby cancunkid » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:17 am

simplykristi wrote:Some of the anomal stories have made me cry. If you do not have pets, there is no way you can truly understand what it is like to lose a pet or having to leave a pet behind.

Kristi... owned by a cat and dog


Kristi you are so right. You can tell the people who have furry babies because they understand how someone could put themselves at risk for their pets. I particularly see the older people I know grow very very attached to their pets because often that is who they see all day and many times the only one they see all week. I deliever meals on wheels to elderly people and have seen them go down hill fast after the loss of a pet that is why I particularly think the elderly evacuees are at risk when they aren't allowed to take their pets with them.
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#46 Postby Noah » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:14 am

cancunkid wrote:I decided to just go ahead and contact the sunhearld and suggest that they start a forum for people to list for their lost pets. I am sure there are a lot of them loose along the MS gulf who could possibly be identified particularly in this day and age of digital photos not that some of them are going to look pretty after a week of fending for themselves.


Great idea!
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#47 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:18 am

Oh I understand.....I'm owned by a Golden Retriever. Who is my third child.

Here's a message board that is 99.9% of the time devoted to travel tips/suggestions/advice. TripAdvisor has a forum for major cities and states. I stumbled upon NOLA's the other day and there are now several topics relating to pets caught up in this tragedy.

Read about Snowball, it breaks your heart! I hope he can be reunited with his owner, a little boy who had this dog ripped from his arms before boarding a bus.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowForum-g6 ... siana.html

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#48 Postby Mac » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:18 am

I don't mean to sound heartless here but, given the problem of limited resources available to help humans, it seems foolish to expend resources on pets. IMO, they should be put down. As harsh as that is, I do not believe we are in a position to shelter, feed, and care for thousands upon thousands of pets.
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#49 Postby Noah » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:38 am

Mac wrote:I don't mean to sound heartless here but, given the problem of limited resources available to help humans, it seems foolish to expend resources on pets. IMO, they should be put down. As harsh as that is, I do not believe we are in a position to shelter, feed, and care for thousands upon thousands of pets.


Your harsh oppinion does not count!

Should we put people down as we did not get to some fast enough and now they will cost us too much money as they are sick?

It is not foolish to help animals, its foolish to think otherwise. IF you have been following the news..you would see some people did not leave due to their pets. Resources should be available for their pets..this is an ongoing problem.

Should our search and rescue dogs go without food..

PLease keep you death oppinion to yourself. Thank you
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#50 Postby Mac » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:12 am

Noah wrote:
Mac wrote:I don't mean to sound heartless here but, given the problem of limited resources available to help humans, it seems foolish to expend resources on pets. IMO, they should be put down. As harsh as that is, I do not believe we are in a position to shelter, feed, and care for thousands upon thousands of pets.


Your harsh oppinion does not count!

Should we put people down as we did not get to some fast enough and now they will cost us too much money as they are sick?

It is not foolish to help animals, its foolish to think otherwise. IF you have been following the news..you would see some people did not leave due to their pets. Resources should be available for their pets..this is an ongoing problem.

Should our search and rescue dogs go without food..

PLease keep you death oppinion to yourself. Thank you


I have as much right to express my opinion as you have to express yours. This is a discussion board, in case you didn't notice.

I'm not advocating the random slaughter of animals. But I am suggesting that saving animals should not interfere with rendering aid to humans right now. We are having a hard enough time sheltering, feeding, and rendering aid to humans right now. We don't have the resources to spare on animals. Further, these animals living in confined spaces with humans will increase the chance of diseases spreading.

If there are available shelters for the animals, and people to staff those shelters, that's one thing. But if saving the animals threatens the health of humans, the animals need to be put down. That's not cruelty speaking, just speaking in the interests of public health and welfare.
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#51 Postby Terry » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:30 am

Luckily, there are a number of rescue organizations that are equipped to do just that - rescue animals. At least 2 of those now have a skeleton group in NO and more staged around the LA, TX, MS areas.

I'll just ignore those who feel otherwise and go about giving my dollars and help to both the the Red Cross and the animal rescue organizations. And hoping many others do the same.
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Houma - They wouldn't leave without their pets (article)

#52 Postby Houstonia » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:13 am

http://www.houmatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050904/BREAKING/509040309

September 03. 2005 11:56PM

They wouldn’t leave without their pets

By LAURA McKNIGHT
The Courier

David Meeks, sports editor for the New Orleans Times-Picayune, poses for a photo with his dog, Carson, outside The Courier’s office Saturday. Meeks used a kayak to paddle up to his Lakeview home to rescue Carson from the second floor. Times-Picayune staffers have spent the week at The Courier producing their newspaper and Web editions after escaping their flooded building.

HOUMA -- Harold McDonald was racing to escape drowning in the floodwaters Hurricane Katrina swept into New Orleans when something made him turn around.

He found out his son’s red-nosed pit bull, Lela, remained stranded at his home.

Lela now sits safely inside a kennel at the East Park Fire Station in Houma, along with more than 30 other evacuated dogs and cats. Across the street, McDonald sits safely in the East Park Recreation Center with dozens of other New Orleans refugees.

Houma has received hundreds of human evacuees, a number of whom refused to leave devastated New Orleans without their animal friends. Several local organizations and businesses have pitched in, supplying volunteers, pet supplies, food, water and foster homes. At least 50 animals are spread among the East Park Fire Station, the Evergreen Cajun Center in Gray and the Terrebonne Parish Animal Shelter, said shelter manager Valerie Robinson. Another roughly 25 pets rescued from a Gretna veterinarian’s office by the Terrebonne shelter have been dispersed among local veterinarian offices. The local vets are also treating wounded or sick refugee animals.

Evacuees are grateful, said Robinson, making signs of the cross and blessing volunteers for helping their pets.

"To some people, this is literally all they have," said Tracy Lapeyrouse, animal-control officer for the shelter.

Evacuees paddled rafts, bashed out windows and talked their way into saving their pets.

For some, the animals represent something comforting and familiar in the midst of chaos. For others, pets represent their only family.

For McDonald, Lela was simply his son’s dog until the struggle to survive forged a bond between them so strong that McDonald refused to leave the city without his pet.

McDonald’s wife and sons had all evacuated New Orleans by Tuesday morning, making him and Lela the home’s sole occupants. As the water kept rising, reaching McDonald’s neck, and radio announcers urged residents to flee the city, he finally decided to leave his home.

After he turned back for the dog, the two became partners, floating for hours on an air mattress, walking the streets, and finally reaching rescuers that would include Lela in their efforts. Lela’s intimidating size offered protection from looters and gangs, he said.

"I wasn’t leaving the dog after all that," he said. "If they wouldn’t have told me I could bring her, I would’ve stayed."

Along the way, McDonald said he passed opportunities for shelter in New Orleans, including a helicopter ride to the Superdome, because he wasn’t leaving his comrade.

"In a way, that dog is my salvation," he said, referring to avoiding the horrible conditions at the Superdome. "I wasn’t leaving her go."

McDonald said he never thought he would feel so strongly about a dog.

"I’m a living witness; people do crazy things for the animals they love," he said. "I could have been gotten out of New Orleans. I’m just not leaving this dog."

He admits tearing up several times thinking about Lela’s paws, rubbed raw from making their way to I-610, where he and Lela finally got on a bus and made it to Houma. As McDonald continues trying to track down his wife and two adult sons, whom he believes are in Houston, Lela has become his only family.

"The dog is all the family I got with me right now," he said. "Looks like it’ll be me and the dog for awhile."

David Meeks, Times-Picayune sports editor, kayaked more than two miles to his New Orleans home, smashed in a window with a paddle and swam through a house full of floating furniture to reach his dog Carson.

"I didn’t know if he was alive," said Meeks. "I had to try. I at least wanted to make a try."

The second time Meeks called Carson’s name, the golden retriever-Australian shepherd mix began barking excitedly. Meeks found Carson on the steps whimpering, but the editor couldn’t swim out of the house with the dog in tow.

Just then, three volunteer boaters from Assumption Parish reached Meeks’ home and helped Carson escape out a second-story window, Meeks said.

The friendly dog now stays outside The Courier office in a makeshift cage with a sign boasting his picture and proclaiming him a Katrina survivor.

Meeks, who has traveled into New Orleans each day since the storm, said he is not alone in going to extreme measures to keep a pet.

"I’ve talked to many people in their houses who will not leave because they can’t bring their pets to the shelters," said Meeks. "They’re still there."

Meeks said he plans to accompany an SPCA group on animal-rescue missions into the city and hopes to retrieve his two cats.

Evelyn Carlton of New Orleans, who’s staying at St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Church in Thibodaux, said she would not leave the city without her Rottweiler, Mcala. A neighbor took Carlton and her dog to the Thibodaux church three days after the storm hit. The pastor opened the church auditorium to evacuees and their pets. Father James Morrison, himself a dog owner, noticed the need for an animal shelter at Nicholls State University, where hundreds of evacuees are staying.

Between 60 and 120 pet owners have stayed at the shelter with their animals in the St. Thomas auditorium, said Joe Wallace, a Nicholls student helping with the shelter. The church is housing not only dogs and cats, but birds, rabbits and a small pig, most rescued from New Orleans.

Carlton said having Mcala with her brings comfort.

"It’s great. It makes me feel better," Carlton said.

Robinson said the Terrebonne shelter needs foster homes for evacuee pets. Volunteers are also needed to watch the animals at the shelter. She advises refugees not to leave pets in vehicles at shelters or abandon them for lack of supplies. Instead, call the Terrebonne animal shelter for supplies or a foster home for animals. The number is 873-6709.
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#53 Postby Noah » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:50 am

Terry wrote:Luckily, there are a number of rescue organizations that are equipped to do just that - rescue animals. At least 2 of those now have a skeleton group in NO and more staged around the LA, TX, MS areas.

I'll just ignore those who feel otherwise and go about giving my dollars and help to both the the Red Cross and the animal rescue organizations. And hoping many others do the same.



Agreed terry!

A thank you to all those who continue to care and support my topic, as well as support the animals.
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#54 Postby simplykristi » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:51 pm

Betsy, the founder of petfinder.com, was just on CNN now. Her site has set up information to help animals that are the victoms of the hurricane. Here's the link: http://www.petfinder.org/disaster/

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#55 Postby simplykristi » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:53 pm

Mac wrote:I don't mean to sound heartless here but, given the problem of limited resources available to help humans, it seems foolish to expend resources on pets. IMO, they should be put down. As harsh as that is, I do not believe we are in a position to shelter, feed, and care for thousands upon thousands of pets.


Mac,
You simply don't understand if you are not a pet owner.

Kristi
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#56 Postby Miss Mary » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:17 pm

Kristi - that's a nice way to put it. Mac, I for one certainly do not want to attack you for your opinions. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. Maybe we can all just agree to disagree? Once you make a pet your own, they just somehow worm their way into your heart. I was w/o pets for 24 years. Until 5+ years ago. Our youngest daughter hounded us so much for a dog, we relented and got a Golden Retriever puppy. She kept saying she was missing out on having a dog and had wanted one for 8 years. Dragging out that eight word, for full effect. The first 6 months were rough and when it came time for the paper work to be completed, my name was on her papers. I knew then and there I'd be doing most of the work. It took me about 6 months and I was completely crazy about her. I cannot imagine my life w/o our Golden, she is my third child and usually by my side 24/7. So while a decision to remain behind b/c of a pet, and b/c shelters do not take pets, is unwise to many, I can also understand this decision too.

Makes me want to open a bunch of shelters that take in pets but then again, I understand the liability issue also.

This is a subject that could get out of hand. Again, I ask everyone if you understand, great. If not, please be kind.

Thank you.

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#57 Postby Mac » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:23 pm

Miss Mary wrote:Kristi - that's a nice way to put it. Mac, I for one certainly do not want to attack you for your opinions. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. Maybe we can all just agree to disagree? Once you make a pet your own, they just somehow worm their way into your heart. I was w/o pets for 24 years. Until 5+ years ago. Our youngest daughter hounded us so much for a dog, we relented and got a Golden Retriever puppy. She kept saying she was missing out on having a dog and had wanted one for 8 years. Dragging out that eight word, for full effect. The first 6 months were rough and when it came time for the paper work to be completed, my name was on her papers. I knew then and there I'd be doing most of the work. It took me about 6 months and I was completely crazy about her. I cannot imagine my life w/o our Golden, she is my third child and usually by my side 24/7. So while a decision to remain behind b/c of a pet, and b/c shelters do not take pets, is unwise to many, I can also understand this decision too.

Makes me want to open a bunch of shelters that take in pets but then again, I understand the liability issue also.

This is a subject that could get out of hand. Again, I ask everyone if you understand, great. If not, please be kind.

Thank you.

Mary


I am a pet owner. My affection for animals is not the issue here. My affection for human life is. I'm sorry, but I simply do not place an animal's life as highly as I place a human's life. If I am put in a position where I have to decide between providing for humans or providing for animals, I will provide for the humans every time.

I understand how attached people are to their pets. I am attached to my own pets. IMHO, however, part of being a resonsible pet owner--especially if you live in a hurricane prone area--is figuring out what to do with your pets in the event of an emergency. Just as a person should make plans for your family's well being in the event of an impending disaster, so too should you plan for your pets. But if you don't make those plans, you should expect your affection for your pet to become somebody else's problem. And I certainly do not believe you should expect humans to risk their lives to save the pet you left behind.

It's not a matter of insensitivity. It's a matter of priorities.
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#58 Postby cristy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:08 pm

This is in response to Mac. You state you are attached to your pets, but many of us are more than attached, we LOVE our pets as if they are our children. This particular forum is for people that want to help out those that sacrificed their lives to stay with their pets. We want those pets to be rescued also. To many of us it is very insensitive to see people film animals in distress and not help. To many of us our pets are like our children and we feel very strong about what is happening. Many residents stayed behind to stay with their beloved pets because they could not take them to the shelter. If you don't agree with these comments, please go to another forum that will talk about other topics. Personally, you sound very insensitive to me. You have a right to feel the way you do, but we certainly have a right to feel the way we do. So please, don't continue upsetting people.
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#59 Postby simplykristi » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:20 pm

Mac,
I would take my pets with me. I would go and find a place could care for them. There is no way I could leave them behind. I care equally about the humans and the pets that have been impacted by the disaster. It's a disaster of epic proportions for both humans and animals.

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#60 Postby cristy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:30 pm

Wow. I hadn't realized you had opened your own private forum on Storm2K. My deepest apologies. I must have missed the sign on the door.[/quote]

Mac, I realize you are only doing this to harass people..... I don't find your responses very amusing. I was a victim of Hurricane Andrew and I know exactly what is going on in the devastated areas. Please, go be insensitive somewhere else. All we are doing here is trying to come up with solutions and support, we don't need to read your NEGATIVITY and sarcasm. This is not the time for that!

Thank you!
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