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#41 Postby gtalum » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:19 pm

x-y-no wrote:Take it from an old (recovered) alcoholic ... getting the bars open is way more important than restoring civil order. ;-)


Actually I think it's an important step in restoring civil order. :D
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#42 Postby Skywatch_NC » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:23 pm

gtalum wrote:
x-y-no wrote:Take it from an old (recovered) alcoholic ... getting the bars open is way more important than restoring civil order. ;-)


Actually I think it's an important step in restoring civil order. :D


Hence the :wink:
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#43 Postby greeng13 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:43 pm

chrisnnavarre wrote:The situation really did not get out of hand until you had Thousands and Thousands of people in the Super Dome without airconditioning and without showers. No Food and No Water. No one could exit the Dome due to the condition of the city.

Many. Many more people came to the Dome AFTER the levy broke and God knows what condition they were in.

A simple AIR-DROP, does anyone know that word AIR-DROP? Could have stopped some of the misery at the Super Dome, and in other parts of the region. I'm sure the military in the Dome had radios.

A Hurricane is equal to many 10 Megaton Nuclear Bombs. It has the capability of destroying a region. Everyone knows that. So in a National Security Sense we had a slow moving Nuclear weapon capable of destroying a region and since it was in the Gulf of Mexico, We Knew it is going to hit somewhere and wipe out a region of our country.

If we switch the word Hurricane with Nuclear Weapon, would you expect the Command in Chief to remain on Vacation, and leave the governors of the region to face this threat with the Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama National Guard??? Feel any safer now?

There is blame from the bottom, there is blame in the middle, there is blame at the top. But when the buck stops passing, someone is going to learn that the words of Harry Truman were true. "The Buck Stops Here"


chrisnnavarre,

i was saying the same thing about air drops to the superdome, etc. back on thursday (last)

see: http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic ... highlight=


it seemed like a logical conclusion...don't know why it wasn't done for some time though. especially with many vehicles going past the convention center as well....just call on the radio..."hey we need supplies" over here on I-10 or whatever.

many...many..things have gone wrong.
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#44 Postby abajan » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:31 pm

You know what? The more I've followed this disaster, the more it becomes apparent that the real blame lies not with any person in particular. It's all that silly and unnecessary red tape that's the biggest problem: Such and such can't be done until a formal request is made etc...etc...etc... And all the while people are dying left right and center.

Think about it.
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#45 Postby artist » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:48 pm

they had the supplies ready to go in - the Gov. would not allow the red cross in.
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#46 Postby cmdebbie » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:28 pm

Think about what would have happened had they dropped supplies in.....riots, people being trampled, etc. The people that needed the supplies would NOT have gotten them. They would have gone to the armed thugs (you know, the ones carrying the AK47's), and many people would have died in that scenario as well.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
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#47 Postby greeng13 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:43 pm

cmdebbie wrote:Think about what would have happened had they dropped supplies in.....riots, people being trampled, etc. The people that needed the supplies would NOT have gotten them. They would have gone to the armed thugs (you know, the ones carrying the AK47's), and many people would have died in that scenario as well.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!


that's why in my post i said to absolutely inundate them..and i even mentioned that some of the thugs would have gotten them as well but that the majority would have gone to the right people. and this was also not just the superdome though...this was for those stranded on the interstate, their own rooftops (which they finally did start air dropping to them), etc.

i see what you are talking about that it possibly would have caused more violence and a sort of "warlord-type" society as the thugs got control of some of the goods.

i don't know it seemed like a better idea than just flying over them with helicopters rescuing them one at a time in the first moments. this could have been done from the get-go so that many on their houses would have at least been hydrated and they could possibly have focused on fixing the breaches in the levees sooner.
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#48 Postby artist » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:38 am

the army corp were the ones fixing the levees.
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