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CRS says Blanco did her job!

#1 Postby stormie_skies » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:27 pm

On September 7, Rep. John Conyers wrote to the Congressional Research Service (a truly non-partisan group - see what they do here: http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/whatscrs.html ) and asked them to review the record to see whether or not Gov. Blanco took the necessary steps in a timely fashion to secure federal assistance in the face of Katrina.

This report came back yesterday. Yes, she did take the necessary steps.

Here is the full text of the report: http://www2.dccc.org/docs/conyersgaokatrina.pdf

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From the above review of the statuatory authorities under the Stafford Act, the letters of Governor Blanco to President Bush requesting first a declaration of emergency and then a major disaster declaration in anticipation of the effects of Hurricane Katrina, as well as the President's responses to those requests in declaring a state of emergency with respect to Louisiana effective August 26, 2005 and continuing, and declaring a major disaster with respect to Louisiana effective August 28, 2005 and continuing,it would appear that the Governor did take the steps necessary to request emergency and major disaster declarations for the State of Louisiana in anticipation of Hurricane Katrina. In response to the Governor's requests, it appears that the President did take the steps necessary to trigger the availability of Stafford Act emergency assistance and disaster assistance...


So if the Governor did ask for assistance the correct way, and the President did agree to send assistance, then what the heck happened in the middle??? :eek:
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Re: CRS says Blanco did her job!

#2 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:36 pm

CRS wrote: From the above review of the statuatory authorities under the Stafford Act, the letters of Governor Blanco to President Bush requesting first a declaration of emergency and then a major disaster declaration in anticipation of the effects of Hurricane Katrina, as well as the President's responses to those requests in declaring a state of emergency with respect to Louisiana effective August 26, 2005 and continuing, and declaring a major disaster with respect to Louisiana effective August 28, 2005 and continuing, it would appear that the Governor did take the steps necessary to request emergency and major disaster declarations for the State of Louisiana in anticipation of Hurricane Katrina. In response to the Governor's requests, it appears that the President did take the steps necessary to trigger the availability of Stafford Act emergency assistance and disaster assistance...


Just to be fair.... :) :wink:

And, of note, you did point out both (so I'm not knocking you, Stormie).

As for what happened in the middle? My best guess -- Michael Brown and/or William Lokey.
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#3 Postby stormie_skies » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:51 pm

I know you're not, Duckie! :D

The only reason I highlighted the verdict on Gov. Blanco is that there has been a ton of criticism heaped on her....lots of people saying she didn't ask for help at all, or ask in the right way. Apparently (at least according to the CRS, who I assume is very reliable with these things) she did ask for the right things at the right times. So it sounds like she isn't nearly as culpable as many thought she was....

I don't have a beef with the President over his personal conduct concerning this event (though he did send some pretty cold signals during that first week). He was very timely in declaring a state of emergency and a major disaster (as the report outlines). That should be all that is needed in order for FEMA to step in and run the show. And once he (belatedly) realized how bad FEMA was screwing things up, he showed up and made things start happening. He got rid of Brown. He has taken at least some form of responsibility for the mistakes that were made. Those are all steps in the right direction, IMO.

I think the vast majority of the fault involved here is going to rest on the back of DHS & FEMA. They were the ones who really dropped the ball. What we need to find out is how FEMA managed to slip to this level of incompetency, and what needs to be done to fix the problem...


(if this comes across as too political....please.....allow me to edit.... :eek: )
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#4 Postby Mattie » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:39 pm

We will never really know what happened I'm sure. The blame game will continue even after all the reports are written and distributed. . .

BTW - in my book, "CRS" is can't remember . . .

;-) just teasing - but the blame will continue.
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#5 Postby ericinmia » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:12 pm

It doesn't mention a thing on time tables... sure steps "proper or not" may have been taken, but weren't in a timley fashion on her part.

Items...
"Requesting federal aid"
"Deciding for martial law or not?" 24-36hr+ :eek:
"Water of new orleans bad for health?" days behind on that one...
-forcing evac of people in deadly water...


The list goes on and on, she dropped the ball on indecisevness.
She is pompous, and a control freak.
The truth will come out eventually....
-Eric
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#6 Postby DoctorHurricane2003 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:27 pm

eric:

effective August 26, 2005 and continuing, and declaring a major disaster with respect to Louisiana effective August 28, 2005
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#7 Postby mf_dolphin » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:04 pm

All I see in that report clip is that she requested the Emergency Declaration correctly. It's still up to her to make sure that:

1. Sufficient state responders were available for the first response and that they responded in a timely manner after the immediate storm had passed. We all know that didn't happen.

2. That specific needs were communicated in a timely manner to FEMA. We don't know the particulars of this issue yet.

3. The mixed message she sent about the safety in New Orleans when half the world already knew the results of the CDC as well as media tests on the water. Hard to justify that one IMO.

The blame game is far from over for anyone...
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#8 Postby Stephanie » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:07 pm

Mattie wrote:We will never really know what happened I'm sure. The blame game will continue even after all the reports are written and distributed. . .

BTW - in my book, "CRS" is can't remember . . .

;-) just teasing - but the blame will continue.


Same here! :lol:
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#9 Postby JQ Public » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:22 pm

Anyone else here agree to the abolition of the appointment of good ol' boys by good ol' boys just because they are good ol' boys? :roll:
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#10 Postby Stephanie » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:28 pm

JQ Public wrote:Anyone else here agree to the abolition of the appointment of good ol' boys by good ol' boys just because they are good ol' boys? :roll:


Unfortunately, it happens everywhere - every town, city, etc. :roll:

It SHOULD ALWAYS BE the right man/woman for the job. :wink:
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#11 Postby Mac » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:22 pm

I've read and read and read and read reports from various sources--both media and otherwise--regarding what the governor/mayor/president/FEMA did or did not do.

Based upon everything I've read, and my personal experience in the field of emergency management/disaster response, here is how I think this is going to pan out in the end.

Bush did the right thing by declaring an emergency before the storm even hit. I think he generally tried to do a lot of things right. But his major fault in all of this is:

1. Putting the wrong guy in charge of FEMA
2. Not invoking the Insurection Act, which would have enabled the federal government to take control of the situation--regardless of what the governor of LA liked it or not.

Mayor Nagin failed to appreciate the gravity of the situation from the get-go. He failed to issue mandatory evacuations when he should have, and he failed to execute the city's emergency response plan as he should have. Had he done the things he should have, FEMA and the fed govt would not have been dealing with nearly the human crisis that it was faced with.

The governor of LA may have sent the appropriate letter, but she completely mismanaged the crisis. She too failed to activate the state's emergency response plan appropriately, and she too failed to do things that should have been done to get people out of harm's way. What's more, she appears to have been more concerned with maintaining control over operations than she was with getting her citizens the help they needed. She lacked the resources that were needed to get the job done, and she grossly mismanaged what resources she did have. She should have stepped out of the way early in the game and let the federal govt get in there to take charge. Unfortunately, she continues this nonsense to this very minute.

FEMA resources were deployed, and available, but they were horribly managed. FEMA carries most of the blame for that. But many people minsunderstand FEMA's true role. They are primarily tasked with coordination of resources, rather than providing all of the resources. The state/local governments are primarily responsible for providing the response resources and law enforcement resources. The governor failed miserably to coordinate and utilize what resources were made available to her.

I also think the media shares some blame in this, although I doubt they will ever own up to their part. They sensationalized and played on the blame game because it made for good ratings. They can live with their shame in this too.

As has been said, there is plenty of blame to go around here. But I honestly believe that the majority of the blame for lives lost is going to fall right in the laps of the mayor and governor in the end. The feds' primary faults centered around response. The state and local govt's fault centers around failing to provide for the safety of citiznes in the first place. Had they done their jobs appropriately, we wouldn't even be talking about a failed fed response.
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#12 Postby Terry » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:11 pm

Umm, Mac, a quicker response from the feds would have prevented more deaths. Local, State, Federal ---- totally a mess up on planning, execution, contingencies, response, blah, blah, blah.
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#13 Postby Stratosphere747 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:31 pm

"To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility"

At least Bush made a start. How much of the "extent" he and his administration will actually admit to is yet to be determined. But I give him credit for stepping foreword and admitting that there was some serious flaws in how the government handle the situation.

I would like to see Blanco and Nagin come foreword with respect to their responsibilities on how things were mishandled. Something simple like Bush did. We can analyze and probe the full "extent" of their deficiencies later.

It was mishandled from top to bottom/Republican to Democrat.
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#14 Postby feederband » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:38 pm

Stratosphere747 wrote:I would like to see Blanco and Nagin come foreword with respect to their responsibilities on how things were mishandled. Something simple like Bush did. We can analyze and probe the full "extent" of their deficiencies later.

It was mishandled from top to bottom/Republican to Democrat.


I do also think there is enough blame to go around...But I feel in the end Blanco will come out bad in this...After all she is the Govenor of this state. I'm glad she is not mine...She would be better off taking some of the blame now like Bush did.
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#15 Postby weunice » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:41 am

feederband wrote:But I feel in the end Blanco will come out bad in this.
You can assure yourself that is how the majority of Louisianans I hear from see it. I think it will take a miracle for her to get re-elected even if she handles everything else right in her term. They had a radio call in show yesterday in Baton Rouge asking essentially who was going to take the blame. Partizan Republicans shouldered a greater burden on local authorities and partizan Democrats shouldered a greater burden on Bush ... I don't think that shocks any of us. The universal culprit howver was Blanco. It was usually Nagin and Blanco or Bush and Blanco.
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#16 Postby stormie_skies » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:37 am

mf_dolphin wrote:All I see in that report clip is that she requested the Emergency Declaration correctly. It's still up to her to make sure that:

1. Sufficient state responders were available for the first response and that they responded in a timely manner after the immediate storm had passed. We all know that didn't happen.


I agree that there should have been more Louisiana National Guardsmen on the ground in the immediate wake of the storm, and that that deficiency can be at least partially chalked up to the governor. I do know that the Guard in New Orleans lost at least 50 vehicles and a decent amount of their better equipment (per the NYT....see the thread I started at the bottom of this page). That could have had an effect. I also think there were questions as to whose responsibility it was to coordinate the response of NG troops from other states. I will discuss the responsibility thing a little bit more here...

2. That specific needs were communicated in a timely manner to FEMA. We don't know the particulars of this issue yet.


See....I have yet to see it written anywhere that this is exclusively the governors job...or even the governors job at all. If you look on page 8 of the National Response Plan (http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf), it lists the responsibilities of a governor in regards to disaster response: to utilize local resources, providing a sense of leadership and communication with the public, commanding the state NG and requesting Federal assistance when the state is overwhelmed. My impression upon reading the NRP is that once DHS/FEMA's help is requested, the Federal Coordinating Officer is responsible for (according to both the NRP and the Stafford Act):

- Conducting an initial appraisal of the types of relief most urgently needed; and

- Coordinating the timely delivery of Federal assistance to affected State, local and tribal governments and disaster victims.

The Stafford Act also states that the FCO should also coordinate the activities of the state and local governments. (302b)

So my impression is that once Blanco & the President declared a state of emergency & a major disaster, the FCO was more than empowered - expected, even - to assess need and deliver aid.

3. The mixed message she sent about the safety in New Orleans when half the world already knew the results of the CDC as well as media tests on the water. Hard to justify that one IMO.


Yeah, that was pretty dumb. I won't argue with that one. :lol: But in the grand scheme of things, I think it was the least harmful mistake of all that were made - most people knew well enough to get out, and the people that are still in the city are in there for reasons beyond the fact that the governor questioned the toxicity of the water.
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#17 Postby stormie_skies » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:32 am

Mac wrote:I've read and read and read and read reports from various sources--both media and otherwise--regarding what the governor/mayor/president/FEMA did or did not do.

Based upon everything I've read, and my personal experience in the field of emergency management/disaster response, here is how I think this is going to pan out in the end.

Bush did the right thing by declaring an emergency before the storm even hit. I think he generally tried to do a lot of things right. But his major fault in all of this is:

1. Putting the wrong guy in charge of FEMA
2. Not invoking the Insurection Act, which would have enabled the federal government to take control of the situation--regardless of what the governor of LA liked it or not.



The Federal government should have been able to take control of the situation as soon as a state of emergency & a major disaster were declared by the governor & President (something that happened well before the storm even arrived). On page 43 & 44 of the NRP it states that in the case of a catostrophic event:

■ Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited or, under extreme circumstances,
suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude; and

■ Notification and full coordination with States will occur,
but the coordination process must not delay or impede
the rapid deployment and use of critical resources.
States are urged to notify and coordinate with local
governments regarding a proactive Federal response.

In addition, the FCO is given the responsibility to assess need and provide aid, as outlined in my response to mf_dolphin above.

Now, if you are referring to the use of active duty soldiers to both provide aid and perform law enforcement functions, it appears that the Stafford Act may allow the President to circumvent Posse Comitatus. This is from Section 886 of the Department of Homeland Security Act:

(4) Nevertheless, by its express terms, the Posse Comitatus Act is not a complete barrier to the use of the Armed Forces for a range of domestic purposes, including law enforcement functions, when the use of the Armed Forces is authorized by Act of Congress or the President determines that the use of the Armed Forces is required to fulfill the President's obligations under the Constitution to respond promptly in time of war, insurrection, or other serious emergency.
(5) Existing laws, including chapter 15 of title 10, United States Code (commonly known as the `Insurrection Act'), and the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.), grant the President broad powers that may be invoked in the event of domestic emergencies, including an attack against the Nation using weapons of mass destruction, and these laws specifically authorize the President to use the Armed Forces to help restore public order.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/hsa2002.pdf

Now, unless I am reading that wrong, the President had no need to use the Insurrection Act. As soon as he invoked the Stafford Act, he could have used active duty soldiers to restore law & order.


Mayor Nagin failed to appreciate the gravity of the situation from the get-go. He failed to issue mandatory evacuations when he should have, and he failed to execute the city's emergency response plan as he should have. Had he done the things he should have, FEMA and the fed govt would not have been dealing with nearly the human crisis that it was faced with.


Actually, Mayor Nagin followed the existing ERP pretty closely - within a couple of hours, as far as the evac order goes:

Slow developing weather conditions (primarily hurricane) will create increased readiness culminating in an evacuation order 24 hours (12 daylight hours) prior to predicted landfall.


Most of the problems, it seems, were not with the Mayor's execution of the plan - they were with the plan itself. There are contradictions as far as how long an evac would take, and after the Hurricane Pam exercise there were several glaring faults - including the lack of reliable transportation for the thousands of NO residents without cars. As I understand it, officials at the state, city and federal levels were supposed to work out the kinks at some point, but never did. So when Katrina hit...well, I guess you work with the plan you have, not with the one you wish you had....

She lacked the resources that were needed to get the job done, and she grossly mismanaged what resources she did have. She should have stepped out of the way early in the game and let the federal govt get in there to take charge. Unfortunately, she continues this nonsense to this very minute.


Isn't that why someone declares a major disaster and calls in FEMA? Because they don't have the resources to manage the event alone? I won't argue with the fact that there were some very odd and irresponsible things done at the state level (the restrictions on the Red Cross, for example), but its ludicrous to expect any state to have the resources at hand to cope with the aftermath of an event like this. Thats why we have a "state of emergency".

They are primarily tasked with coordination of resources, rather than providing all of the resources. The state/local governments are primarily responsible for providing the response resources and law enforcement resources. The governor failed miserably to coordinate and utilize what resources were made available to her.


Again, neither of these things is true. When the state government is overwhelmed it is the federal governments job to provide and coordinate resources. Thats what FEMA gets funding for, and thats why the position of Federal Coordinating Officer exists...

I also think the media shares some blame in this, although I doubt they will ever own up to their part. They sensationalized and played on the blame game because it made for good ratings. They can live with their shame in this too.


I have yet to see any proof of this "sensationalizing." The pictures from the Superdome, the Convention Center and the Mississippi coast said it all....the damage was catostrophic, the human misery was on a scale unheard of in the USA, and the response was tragically slow....how do you sensationalize that???
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#18 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:19 pm

When one is in charge, especially in a situation that involves thousands of different people and several different agencies, one must delegate and trust that the people reporting to them are doing their job correctly and giving all information correctly. Once it becomes clear this is not the case then they should step in and take over. Unfortunately, this time it took more time than it should have up and down the line from the top to the bottom. There is not single place to put the blame and when everything is said and done and investigated-HOPEFULLY AFTER ALL OF THE VICTIMS OF KATRINA ARE TAKEN CARE OF-we will probably still be playing this same blame game unless something glaring at one individual comes out of the investigations.
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#19 Postby JQ Public » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:43 am

Stephanie wrote:
JQ Public wrote:Anyone else here agree to the abolition of the appointment of good ol' boys by good ol' boys just because they are good ol' boys? :roll:


Unfortunately, it happens everywhere - every town, city, etc. :roll:

It SHOULD ALWAYS BE the right man/woman for the job. :wink:


LOL Preach it Sista!
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#20 Postby weunice » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:18 am

http://2theadvocate.com/stories/091505/ ... e001.shtml

FYI, Blanco also takes responsiblity ... Acknowledging the mistakes at all levels is really the only way things are going to improve.
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