What if Katrina had hit New Orleans?

[brunota2003]

i know, i think the argueing got out of hand though...

[skysummit]

This argument is pointless. No one will understand what will truely happen until it happens.

Now....superfly, or what ever you call yourself, your personal bashing is getting ridiculous. If you can't take part in a debate like an adult, then have no part. First, you call me out and tell me that I don't know the geography of New Orleans when I've lived here all my life, worked here all my life, and been in New Orleans the DAY AFTER Katrina came through. Then you straight up call me an idiot. Then you take it out on another poster by telling them to stop posting before they make themselves look dumber. Who the hell may you lord of forums? It's people like this who make this place suck from time to time. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, or if all you want to do is bash posters, please feel free to stay out of it.

Don't draw me another map trying to point out your argument. I know EXACTLY how the water flows in the city. I know EXACTLY where every levee and pumping station is. I know EXACTLY the heights of every levee. You don't have any information that I do not have.

I'm sure you ticked quite a few people off in here so I'll stop wasting my time with you and get on to what this forum is about. I will not respond to your inappropriate posts any longer. Feel free to respond to this message as negative as you like, but do it like a man and quote this first.

[duris]

How can you even think about saying that? With Katrina, New Orleans was flooded from lake waters that flow through the 17th street canal and numerous other canals. If a storm would go just to the west of New Orleans, not only would the Lake continue to fill up and overtop or breach those same levees, but all the marshes to the south would be filled, and water would constantly be pushed up the Miss. River...eventually overtopping those levees. Water would not only come in from the Lake, but it would come in from all directions. Not to mention the Westbank would get completely flooded also.

You don't know the geography of New Orleans, do you? New Orleans lies to the south of the lake. A hurricane hit to the west would have pushed the lake water into NORTHSHORE as it passed by then EAST into the Gulf with westerly winds as the eye passes New Orleans. At no time would a storm passing to the west of New Orleans push surge toward New Orleans from the lake. Surge-wise, the path Katrina took was the worst case. Wind-wise, New Orleans would have suffered a far worse fate if it passed to the west but NOT surge-wise.

Granted, surge up the Mississippi River may have overtopped the levees on the river side, but as far as the lake side surge is concerned, it wouldn't have been near as bad.

Superfly, maybe you should look into studies before telling me what I know and what I don't know. I have lived here all my life and have worked in New Orleans all my life. I know more about that city than many. Yes, a western storm would push water onto the northshore, however, the entire lake would rise. The current would be going to the northshore, but again, the entire lake would rise. Oh, and this was NOT the worst case scenario...by far. Yes, it was bad, but not the worst. There was already a HUGE thread on this so I don't feel like starting another. Before you decide what you think would happen if a storm hit just to the west of New Orleans, do a little research, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

But in a nutshell for Superfly, the water that got pushed to the Northshore wouldn't stay there; it would be pushed back into the City as the eye passed. That was supposed to be the worst case scenario, although in that scenario, my house on Canal Blvd. would have gotten four feet of water. Thanks to the breach, we got six feet instead.

[skysummit]

How can you even think about saying that? With Katrina, New Orleans was flooded from lake waters that flow through the 17th street canal and numerous other canals. If a storm would go just to the west of New Orleans, not only would the Lake continue to fill up and overtop or breach those same levees, but all the marshes to the south would be filled, and water would constantly be pushed up the Miss. River...eventually overtopping those levees. Water would not only come in from the Lake, but it would come in from all directions. Not to mention the Westbank would get completely flooded also.

You don't know the geography of New Orleans, do you? New Orleans lies to the south of the lake. A hurricane hit to the west would have pushed the lake water into NORTHSHORE as it passed by then EAST into the Gulf with westerly winds as the eye passes New Orleans. At no time would a storm passing to the west of New Orleans push surge toward New Orleans from the lake. Surge-wise, the path Katrina took was the worst case. Wind-wise, New Orleans would have suffered a far worse fate if it passed to the west but NOT surge-wise.

Granted, surge up the Mississippi River may have overtopped the levees on the river side, but as far as the lake side surge is concerned, it wouldn't have been near as bad.

Superfly, maybe you should look into studies before telling me what I know and what I don't know. I have lived here all my life and have worked in New Orleans all my life. I know more about that city than many. Yes, a western storm would push water onto the northshore, however, the entire lake would rise. The current would be going to the northshore, but again, the entire lake would rise. Oh, and this was NOT the worst case scenario...by far. Yes, it was bad, but not the worst. There was already a HUGE thread on this so I don't feel like starting another. Before you decide what you think would happen if a storm hit just to the west of New Orleans, do a little research, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

But in a nutshell for Superfly, the water that got pushed to the Northshore wouldn't stay there; it would be pushed back into the City as the eye passed. That was supposed to be the worst case scenario, although in that scenario, my house on Canal Blvd. would have gotten four feet of water. Thanks to the breach, we got six feet instead.

Thank you. That's exactly what would happen. Plus, you could expect some of the same levees to break again, with a few more simply because there would be more levees getting topped...and when a levee gets topped, it the water cuts through the levee like a knife and eventually will breach it.

[arkess7]

i cant believe there is a what if thread

I'm with you.

me too....all it does it start arguing

[sunny]

i cant believe there is a what if thread

I'm with you.

me too....all it does it start arguing

Exactly. Those of us living with the aftermath know it was bad enough as is. I am displaced, working in Baton Rouge, staying with various people. I work with many people, one of them a dear friend, who lost everything. Another man I work with had a nephew who stayed behind in the lower 9th Ward, along with his girlfriend, her sister and her sister's 3 children. When the water came up, he got into the attic and managed to get his girlfriend's sister up, but his girlfriend and the 3 children drowned. So it was bad enough, no need to wonder about "what ifs".

[NCHurricane]

What if we stopped worrying about the "what if's," and concentrate on the "what did's."

Crawling back to my lurker hole now......

Chuck
http://www.nchurricane.com

[skysummit]

What if we stopped worrying about the "what if's," and concentrate on the "what did's."

Crawling back to my lurker hole now......

Chuck
http://www.nchurricane.com

LOL....good post NC.

[weatherSnoop]

What if we stopped worrying about the "what if's," and concentrate on the "what did's."

Crawling back to my lurker hole now......

Chuck
http://www.nchurricane.com

LOL....good post NC.

And...What will be..next time

[LAwxrgal]

What if we stopped worrying about the "what if's," and concentrate on the "what did's."

Crawling back to my lurker hole now......

Chuck
http://www.nchurricane.com

Precisely. We know what DID happen, and what DID happen was plenty bad enough for me, thank you very much.

[LAwxrgal]

What if we stopped worrying about the "what if's," and concentrate on the "what did's."

Crawling back to my lurker hole now......

Chuck
http://www.nchurricane.com

LOL....good post NC.

And...What will be..next time

Let's hope not...

[Patrick99]

How can you even think about saying that? With Katrina, New Orleans was flooded from lake waters that flow through the 17th street canal and numerous other canals. If a storm would go just to the west of New Orleans, not only would the Lake continue to fill up and overtop or breach those same levees, but all the marshes to the south would be filled, and water would constantly be pushed up the Miss. River...eventually overtopping those levees. Water would not only come in from the Lake, but it would come in from all directions. Not to mention the Westbank would get completely flooded also.

You don't know the geography of New Orleans, do you? New Orleans lies to the south of the lake. A hurricane hit to the west would have pushed the lake water into NORTHSHORE as it passed by then EAST into the Gulf with westerly winds as the eye passes New Orleans. At no time would a storm passing to the west of New Orleans push surge toward New Orleans from the lake. Surge-wise, the path Katrina took was the worst case. Wind-wise, New Orleans would have suffered a far worse fate if it passed to the west but NOT surge-wise.

Granted, surge up the Mississippi River may have overtopped the levees on the river side, but as far as the lake side surge is concerned, it wouldn't have been near as bad.

I've see those levees on the river side. Enormous. I have a very hard time imagining what kind of storm could conceivably overtop those.