My New Viewpoint on Boarding Windows (+ a little rant)

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My New Viewpoint on Boarding Windows (+ a little rant)

#1 Postby Ixolib » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:56 pm

Back in the old days -- before and including Katrina -- I religiously placed custom-fit boards on all of my windows for any storm that was going to threaten my area. I now have a brand new viewpoint on that whole issue.

For future storms, I will no longer board the windows. The primary reason, I suppose, is because I won't be riding out any more storms in this house. But the secondary reason - and perhaps most significant - is because it does the homeowner no good to do so. Consider this:

We got three feet of surge with Katrina (no flood insurance - we're at 30 feet above MSL and have N-E-V-E-R in history had a problem with storm surge before). Consequently, State Farm is saying they won't pay for "flood" damage. However, if all the windows broke and wind infiltrated to blow my roof off, they would cover everything - even damage caused by wind-driven rain!!

Of course, my contention with SF is that this water (aka surge) was equally wind-driven and they "should" consider it the same way. As I've said before, if the wind was not blowing from a hurricane approaching from our southwest, this water (aka surge) would not have been present, hence, it would not have entered my home. No doubt, they don't want to entertain that discussion - so again, the big insurance companies win and the little guys loose.

And for anyone to present the argument that "I should have had flood insurance", my response - and many others - is why? Being 30 feet above sea level, nowhere near a river or lake, and on high ground that ALWAYS drains well - even in heavy and continuous rain - would tend to make one think they don't need flood insurance. Add to this the fact that neither my city, county, state, mortgage company, or insurance agent mandated or even suggested that I have that coverage.

As it looks now, everyone - no matter where they live - better completely insure themselves against any possible peril to include floods, earthquakes, wildfires, terrorist attacks, alien invasion, abominable snowmen, bear attacks, well - the list goes on and on.

And to top it all off, SF is now telling us they will not pay for a new roof, even when a large percentage of the shingles are gone down to the felt. They will, however, pay to "patch" the missing pieces. That's gonna look just great!! :roll:

Oh yeah, and did I mention how quick they are to collect on their 2% hurricane deductible for "hurricane" damage!!?? Well in my case, the damage caused by this hurricane will far exceed anything SF is gonna pay.

Okay, rant over (but not forgotten :D ). But still, no more window boards for me. Nature can just come on in and do what she's gonna do... I'm done protecting State Farm from any liability.
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#2 Postby kevin » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:11 pm

Ixolib wrote:Back in the old days -- before and including Katrina -- I religiously placed custom-fit boards on all of my windows for any storm that was going to threaten my area. I now have a brand new viewpoint on that whole issue.

For future storms, I will no longer board the windows. The primary reason, I suppose, is because I won't be riding out any more storms in this house. But the secondary reason - and perhaps most significant - is because it does the homeowner no good to do so. Consider this:

We got three feet of surge with Katrina (no flood insurance - we're at 30 feet above MSL and have N-E-V-E-R in history had a problem with storm surge before). Consequently, State Farm is saying they won't pay for "flood" damage. However, if all the windows broke and wind infiltrated to blow my roof off, they would cover everything - even damage caused by wind-driven rain!!

Of course, my contention with SF is that this water (aka surge) was equally wind-driven and they "should" consider it the same way. As I've said before, if the wind was not blowing from a hurricane approaching from our southwest, this water (aka surge) would not have been present, hence, it would not have entered my home. No doubt, they don't want to entertain that discussion - so again, the big insurance companies win and the little guys loose.

And for anyone to present the argument that "I should have had flood insurance", my response - and many others - is why? Being 30 feet above sea level, nowhere near a river or lake, and on high ground that ALWAYS drains well - even in heavy and continuous rain - would tend to make one think they don't need flood insurance. Add to this the fact that neither my city, county, state, mortgage company, or insurance agent mandated or even suggested that I have that coverage.

As it looks now, everyone - no matter where they live - better completely insure themselves against any possible peril to include floods, earthquakes, wildfires, terrorist attacks, alien invasion, abominable snowmen, bear attacks, well - the list goes on and on.

And to top it all off, SF is now telling us they will not pay for a new roof, even when a large percentage of the shingles are gone down to the felt. They will, however, pay to "patch" the missing pieces. That's gonna look just great!! :roll:

Oh yeah, and did I mention how quick they are to collect on their 2% hurricane deductible for "hurricane" damage!!?? Well in my case, the damage caused by this hurricane will far exceed anything SF is gonna pay.

Okay, rant over (but not forgotten :D ). But still, no more window boards for me. Nature can just come on in and do what she's gonna do... I'm done protecting State Farm from any liability.


I'd get up on my roof with a shovel and make sure the patches include all the shingles. I'm sorry to hear the insurance companies are failing you. State farm like a good neighbor, haha, they're corporate greed like all the rest.
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Re: My New Viewpoint on Boarding Windows (+ a little rant)

#3 Postby Ixolib » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:54 pm

kevin wrote:I'd get up on my roof with a shovel and make sure the patches include all the shingles. I'm sorry to hear the insurance companies are failing you. State farm like a good neighbor, haha, they're corporate greed like all the rest.


Yeah, I hear what you'e saying about the shovel. My wife is of the same mindset. But in my view, if I do that, then I'm stooping to the same level of those I am painting as "crooked and greedy". Like the saying goes, nice guys alway finish last. But in reality, those who do wrong to others will have it payed back to them in some form - either now or later.
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#4 Postby artist » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:28 pm

this is something I really think needs to be taken before the legislature or the courts. The simple idea of having hurricane coverage yetwhen that hurricane casues this type of damage it is not counted as being from a hurricane is just ludicrous! I really think it is time for there to be some EXACTS regarding this be outlined so all of us don't end up in your shoes. It just seems they keep finding way s to keep from covering what ever may have happened anymore unless you take out as you stated every possible ins type there is! It must be defined EXACTLY what damge a hurricane does - if it isn't hurricane coverage then they should drop the label. It is one thing to have flood damge due to all the rain but from surge is totally different. jmho Sorry for your trouble. :cry:
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#5 Postby breeze » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:32 pm

I'm sorry to hear that, too, Ixolib. It makes one wonder....if you just
took the money that you were paying to the insurance, monthly fees,
the amount just to cover the damage from a hurricane, and stuck it
in a savings account, it would be there, when you needed it - almost
"like a good neighbor", eh?

That really sucks that you're left with the damage to deal with!
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#6 Postby Ixolib » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:38 pm

Thanks, y'all - I appreciate the empathy. It's typically only tropical weather watchers and enthusiasts like yourselves who can truly relate to these types of issues.

I'm sure we all hope Katrina is a once-in-a-lifetime event, but most of us around here thought the same about Camille. So I guess I'm now going to try and get "flood" (aka surge) insurance in the off-chance that another storm will bring that kind of surge into my neighborhood. It's kinda weird to base the entire future of your covered insurables on an event that has (thus far) happened only once in recorded history!!

And, Artist - you hit the nail on the head. IMO, any damage "caused" by a hurricane ought to be covered under the hurricane part of the policy. Otherwise, why charge me the 2% hurricane deductible!!

Breeze - If I was that good at saving money (which unfortunately I'm not) your suggestion would probably work out pretty good. In any event, my mortgage company says I gotta have the coverage through a licensed holder. Speaking of good neighbor, there are some pretty interesting signs popping up around town from folks who now have "other" terms of endearment for that particular company... :lol:
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#7 Postby Roxy » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:53 am

Ixolib, I feel your pain. In fact for Rita we made it a point to NOT board some of the windows for that exact reason only the ones in the areas we would really use afterwards.

Sorry you are having such trouble with the insurance company.
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#8 Postby jasons2k » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:53 am

I wonder if a good lawyer could argue that surge is indeed wind-driven. We all know it is. If SF is going to be so particular with the wording and pick it apart, maybe those on the other side should do the same.
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#9 Postby MyrtleBeachGal » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:54 am

I'm a paralegal and that is the FIRST thing I thought of after reading your post! You have NOTHING to lose by consulting with an attorney to see what your rights are and to have the attorney read over your coverage and any clauses in your coverage. Most attorneys do not charge for a consultation and if he sees that you have a legitimate case, they usually take their percentage out of your claim AFTER you have won.

I wish you good luck in trying to get them to settle regarding your claim. That makes my blood boil thinking about what lengths the insurance companies are going through to keep from paying. :( Makes me wonder if any of them will EVER pay?
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#10 Postby alicia-w » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:10 pm

our policy is quite clear that it does not cover wind driven water. we have flood insurance even though we dont live in a flood plain. heck, what am i thinking. i live in florida. the whole state's a flood plain!!!

anyway, i think $250 is a small price to pay for flood insurance.
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#11 Postby feederband » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:54 pm

I just think homeowners policy's should cover for any disater....Even the "alien invasion"..... 8-)
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#12 Postby MyrtleBeachGal » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:23 pm

LOL then I have some friends that would fall under that clause :lol:
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#13 Postby Ixolib » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:53 pm

alicia-w wrote:our policy is quite clear that it does not cover wind driven water. we have flood insurance even though we dont live in a flood plain. heck, what am i thinking. i live in florida. the whole state's a flood plain!!!

anyway, i think $250 is a small price to pay for flood insurance.


You are ABSOLUTELY right - $250 is nothing and I would have gladly paid the premeium had the authorities or my insurance company or my mortgage company pointed me in that direction. The point here is that no one recommended or mandated we have "flood" insurance. No more than anyone recommended we have "earthquake" insurance - and I don't have that either. In fact, my insurance agent told us that flood insurance was/is unnecessary in my area. And rightfully so since it can rain for days - very hard too - and flooding doesn't occur. Consequently, our thought was that this area would not flood. And in fact, it did not flood. It merely received the surge from a hurricane.

As for the entire state of FL being a flood plain, there are actully many areas in Florida that are hundreds of feet above sea level.

http://www.americasroof.com/fl.html

Should people living in those areas buy "flood" insurance to protect themselves from the wind-driven surge resulting from a hurricane?? While I'll agree that it is possible for someone living hundreds of feet above sea level to flood, it is NOT possible for them to receive wind-driven surge from a hurricane. At least I sure HOPE it's not possible!! :eek: :eek:

So the question remains, why buy flood insurance if you're area doesn't flood?
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#14 Postby Ixolib » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:57 pm

Roxy wrote:Ixolib, I feel your pain. In fact for Rita we made it a point to NOT board some of the windows for that exact reason only the ones in the areas we would really use afterwards.

Sorry you are having such trouble with the insurance company.


And isn't it a sad state of affairs when we "choose" not to board our house so that, in the event of damage, we'll be better protected after-the-fact than if we had boarded up before-hand? A crazy way of looking at things, isn't it. In fact, so conflicting that my mind has a hard time even rationalizing the concept - and it's a concept I agree with. :idea: :idea: :D :D :?:
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#15 Postby MGC » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:55 pm

Boarding up windows are a waste of time and money. I have never boarded up a window for a hurricane and have never lost a window. I have two houses that went though Katrina and not one broken window. Both houses were in the righ front quad of Katrina......MGC
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#16 Postby Ixolib » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:33 pm

MGC wrote:Boarding up windows are a waste of time and money. I have never boarded up a window for a hurricane and have never lost a window. I have two houses that went though Katrina and not one broken window. Both houses were in the righ front quad of Katrina......MGC


Yeah, I hear 'ya on that MGC. The ONLY reason I ever boarded in the past is because this is where I was staying during the storm(s). Now, since I won't be staying anymore (unless it's only a cat 1 ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GULF) I'm gonna take your route. But, for anyone out there who is going to ride out a strong hurricane in their home, I'd still advise boarding. Not only will it keep the potential for broken windows to a minimum, it will also help prevent wind infiltration into the home. And wind infiltration is often the primary cause for roof failure. Plenty of examples exist.
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#17 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:16 pm

From the NHC's FAQ:
Subject: A8) What is storm surge and how is it different from tidal surge ?
Storm surge is the onshore rush of sea or lake water caused by the high winds associated with a landfalling cyclone and secondarily by the low pressure of the storm.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A8.html Wonder if they can wiggle out of that one...
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#18 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:21 pm

brunota2003 wrote:From the NHC's FAQ:
Subject: A8) What is storm surge and how is it different from tidal surge ?
Storm surge is the onshore rush of sea or lake water caused by the high winds associated with a landfalling cyclone and secondarily by the low pressure of the storm.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A8.html Wonder if they can wiggle out of that one...
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oh, i forgot, it says landfalling cyclone, not hurricane :roll:
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#19 Postby breeze » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:34 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
brunota2003 wrote:From the NHC's FAQ:
Subject: A8) What is storm surge and how is it different from tidal surge ?
Storm surge is the onshore rush of sea or lake water caused by the high winds associated with a landfalling cyclone and secondarily by the low pressure of the storm.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A8.html Wonder if they can wiggle out of that one...
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oh, i forgot, it says landfalling cyclone, not hurricane :roll:


HA! Just like everything else - "Made In China"!
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#20 Postby Ixolib » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:15 am

brunota2003 wrote:
brunota2003 wrote:From the NHC's FAQ:
Subject: A8) What is storm surge and how is it different from tidal surge ?
Storm surge is the onshore rush of sea or lake water caused by the high winds associated with a landfalling cyclone and secondarily by the low pressure of the storm.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A8.html Wonder if they can wiggle out of that one...
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oh, i forgot, it says landfalling cyclone, not hurricane :roll:


Well a cyclone defines anything that is tropical in nature - typhoon, depression, tropical storm, hurricane - they're all "cyclonic", and hence, all fit the description! Thanks for this link - this is GOOD stuff!! In fact, I'm going to send the link to our local paper (Sun Herald) in the form of a "Letter to the Editor"!! Thanks again...
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