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#201 Postby caneman » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:18 am

Steve H. wrote:Rainstorm, you said that 94L will be absorbed by the ULL, then you state that you think development is likely. I guess you meant the ULL will develop, not 94L??? :?: I think we will get Vince and Wilma, but not from the ULL, but development in the Bahamas for Vince. Don't see anything affecting the CONUS though. Long range GFS shows nothing either. Maybe the season will fade away quietly.


Nothin like a little wishful thinking. :wink:
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#202 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:48 am

A LARGE TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 850 MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN
WINDWARD ISLANDS IS MOVING WEST-NORTHWESTWARD. DEVELOPMENT...IF
ANY...SHOULD BE SLOW TO OCCUR.


11:30 AM TWO
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#203 Postby NastyCat4 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:36 am

1-2 storms, and a probable recurve from the serious contender--95L, if it overcomes very strong shear.
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#204 Postby NastyCat4 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:36 am

sorry, double post---moderator please delete.
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#205 Postby bvigal » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:41 am

So am I to gather 94L is officially non-existant, no model runs since yesterday?
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#206 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:43 am

bvigal wrote:So am I to gather 94L is officially non-existant, no model runs since yesterday?


Since the last run at 18:00z yesterday no new runs for 94L had comed out.Let's see if the 18:00z run this afternoon comes out.
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#207 Postby OURAGAN » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:14 pm

Shear it's decreasing along the path of 94L, may be something to watch in the next days for the leeward islands from dominica to St Marteen.
What do you thin k about it?
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#208 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:07 pm

SHARP CENTRAL ATLANTIC TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 47W S OF 20N MOVING W
10-15 KT. ALTHOUGH DEEP CONVECTION IS QUITE AGGRESSIVE...
ESPECIALLY ALONG THE NRN PART OF THE WAVE...THE ATTACHED SURFACE
LOW HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY DIFFUSE AND IT IS UNCERTAIN IF IT
EVEN HAS A CLOSED WIND FIELD. THE LOW HAS BEEN DROPPED FROM THE
ANALYSIS AND TROPICAL DEVELOPMENT APPEARS UNLIKELY AT THIS TIME.
NUMEROUS MODERATE CONVECTION FROM 10N-13N BETWEEN 46W-49W...AND
FROM 14N-21N BETWEEN 44W-49W.


2 PM Discussion about 94L.

The kiss of death for it.
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#209 Postby NastyCat4 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:17 pm

2 PM Discussion about 94L.

The kiss of death for it.


I think so--but 95L is very much alive. Hope it recurves, and avoids the islands, and the Conus.
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#210 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:20 pm

TROPICAL DEPRESSION INVEST (AL942005) ON 20051008 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
051008 0000 051008 1200 051009 0000 051009 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 12.6N 48.6W 14.0N 50.0W 15.4N 51.2W 16.5N 52.3W
BAMM 12.6N 48.6W 13.7N 50.0W 14.8N 51.3W 15.6N 52.5W
A98E 12.6N 48.6W 13.8N 49.8W 15.0N 51.1W 16.0N 52.1W
LBAR 12.6N 48.6W 14.3N 49.8W 15.7N 51.0W 16.9N 52.2W
SHIP 25KTS 27KTS 30KTS 34KTS
DSHP 25KTS 27KTS 30KTS 34KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
051010 0000 051011 0000 051012 0000 051013 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 17.3N 53.4W 18.2N 55.1W 17.0N 58.2W 15.5N 62.6W
BAMM 16.5N 53.9W 18.2N 55.7W 18.5N 58.3W 18.6N 61.2W
A98E 17.0N 53.3W 18.7N 55.1W 19.6N 58.1W 20.4N 61.6W
LBAR 17.6N 53.5W 18.8N 56.3W 19.1N 58.5W 17.6N 59.1W
SHIP 38KTS 41KTS 41KTS 39KTS
DSHP 38KTS 41KTS 41KTS 39KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 12.6N LONCUR = 48.6W DIRCUR = 320DEG SPDCUR = 10KT
LATM12 = 10.9N LONM12 = 47.3W DIRM12 = 317DEG SPDM12 = 16KT
LATM24 = 9.2N LONM24 = 44.7W
WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 40NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1011MB OUTPRS = 1013MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM


Surprise=Surprise 94 got a run tonight from the models after more than 24 hours without any.
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#211 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:28 pm

Convection just EXPLODED over 94L during the last few hours

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#212 Postby mike815 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:32 pm

it certiently has hmmm.....
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#213 Postby rainstorm » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:40 pm

caneman wrote:
Steve H. wrote:Rainstorm, you said that 94L will be absorbed by the ULL, then you state that you think development is likely. I guess you meant the ULL will develop, not 94L??? :?: I think we will get Vince and Wilma, but not from the ULL, but development in the Bahamas for Vince. Don't see anything affecting the CONUS though. Long range GFS shows nothing either. Maybe the season will fade away quietly.


Nothin like a little wishful thinking. :wink:


better do some re-thinking.
http://www.esl.lsu.edu/special_gifs/trop_lant4col.gif

we have a complex situation developing. the ull is developing and moving west, and to the surprise of forecasters, 94L, has remained a separate entity, and looks good tonight
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#214 Postby mike815 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:42 pm

i think it looks pretty good as well its far enough south i think we have to watch and see if this persists.
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#215 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:43 pm

94L is really blowing up tonight- whether or night this continues
remains to be seen...but development may be possible with
this type of blow-up the next few days.
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#216 Postby mike815 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:45 pm

yeah i agree it could it might still be a few days have to wait and see whats new lol
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#217 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:52 pm

As busy as this season has been, this system could very well become Vince over the next few days. Then there is Wilma and then the unprecedented never before seen ALPHA named storm. What are the odds of that happening??? That has never happened before.

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#218 Postby cycloneye » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:11 pm

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER...ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE...IS
LOCATED ABOUT 800 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS. THIS SYSTEM
IS MOVING NORTHWESTWARD AND DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...SHOULD BE SLOW
TO OCCUR.


10:30 PM TWO for 94L.
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#219 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:44 pm

WXBUFFJIM wrote:As busy as this season has been, this system could very well become Vince over the next few days. Then there is Wilma and then the unprecedented never before seen ALPHA named storm. What are the odds of that happening??? That has never happened before.

Jim


Odds are good for it to happen!

I will also keep an eye on the cold front when it drops to the GOM, we may see a storm there in a week or so.
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#220 Postby Hyperstorm » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:50 pm

I really haven't posted anything regarding this system over the past couple of days because there hasn't been much change in regards to my earlier thoughts on page 2 of this thread. However, tonight I have seen some interesting things going on.

First, the tropical wave has developed some very intense convection. Believe it or not, I see some signs of a very tiny low level circulation developing underneath it near 13N, 49W (that's a little further north than where the models were initialized at).

Second, the trough in the central Atlantic is finally drifting westward, just as forecast by the models 2 days ago. This trough is forecast to continue moving westward and park just north of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola for a few more days before lifting northward.

Third, the large upper-level high that was forecast to move westward by the GFS a couple of days ago, did do so. However, the tropical wave moved MUCH faster than anticipated early on. This has prevented the tropical wave from developing. If this system were located a few hundred miles to the east, we would already be talking about a tropical cyclone.

Currently, the tropical wave is under some southerly flow ahead of the central Atlantic trough (although it is NOT prohibitively strong). As I mentioned earlier, this trough is moving westward, so it's taking its southerly flow with it. If you take a loop at your favorite water vapor loop, you'll quickly notice that there is a HALT of the southerly and southwesterly flow ahead of the wave. You will also see that the movement of the wave has been much slower toward the west (not NW or WNW at this time). Conditions are now only marginally favorable, but if this system remains in its current slow pace, they will become more favorable as suggested by the GFS.

Also, take a look at the latest BAM models. They are showing a more westward turn late in the period. This was definitely foreseen by the models a few days ago with the synoptic environment that was forecast to be just right for that to happen (trough lifting out as high pressure moves west). All this means that this tropical wave must be watched closely, especially since we're seing some intense convection developing with it along with "signs" of a weak LLC developing (although it may not be closed).

As always, the timing of the movement of the central Atlantic trough and the movement of the tropical wave will be critical in regards to this wave's future development potential and track...Please don't dismiss it just yet.
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