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#801 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:03 pm

tampaflwx wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:It looks more impressive to me...The LLC is becoming very compact in strong...In that deep convection is developing over it.


I agree. It is looking very organized with the LLC and incredible outer banding to support a large system. Earlier we saw that the storm lacked a definitive inner core but in the past several hours the storm has been spewing out deep convection from near the center. I think it is priming itself to begin intensifying and growing at a rapid pace.


I agree.
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#802 Postby El Nino » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:03 pm

Surely Brent, it's daily maximum, and it won't last all night, but a good sign for tomorrow :wink:
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#803 Postby Weatherfreak14 » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:07 pm

This should be a TS by tommrow but NHC said same thing for today.
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#804 Postby rockyman » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:09 pm

El Nino wrote:Maybe you need to watch this:

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You're making me blush :P
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#805 Postby cycloneye » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:15 pm

CHGQLM
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED GFDL HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWENTY-FO 24L

INITIAL TIME 18Z OCT 16

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


FORECAST STORM POSITION

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE HEADING/SPEED(KT)

0 17.7 79.5 340./ 1.9
6 17.7 79.5 171./ .6
12 17.5 79.6 216./ 1.8
18 17.9 79.7 346./ 4.1
24 18.0 80.6 277./ 8.9
30 18.0 81.2 267./ 5.7
36 18.0 81.7 271./ 4.5
42 18.1 82.3 284./ 5.6
48 18.4 82.9 288./ 6.6
54 18.5 83.5 281./ 5.3
60 18.5 84.0 273./ 5.1
66 18.6 84.6 280./ 5.2
72 18.8 85.1 287./ 5.3
78 18.7 85.5 264./ 3.7
84 18.9 85.8 302./ 3.6
90 19.3 86.2 319./ 5.3
96 19.9 86.5 326./ 6.5
102 20.4 86.9 326./ 6.5
108 20.9 87.4 309./ 6.6
114 21.3 87.8 321./ 5.4
120 21.8 88.2 321./ 6.3
126 22.1 88.4 320./ 3.7


18z GFDL.
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#806 Postby WindRunner » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:16 pm

Animation link for :uarrow: :

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2.cgi?time=2005101618-twenty-fo24l&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&hour=Animation

Cat 3 for Cancun by this one, and takes it due north off of the Yucatan.
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#807 Postby Emmett_Brown » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:19 pm

Wow... gfdl has shifted quite a bit left of last run... looks like the models are seeing the flow as more zonal, and the trough not as sharp.

Lots of time, and the models certainly could flip back east, but this seems to be a bit of good news for FL at least in the short term.
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#808 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:20 pm

TPNT KGWC 162359
A. TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWENTY-FOUR
B. 16/2331Z (110)
C. 17.5N/3
D. 79.5W/1
E. FIVE/GOES12
F. T2.0/2.0/STT: D0.5/07HRS -16/2331Z-
G. IR/EIR

38A/ PBO SBC/ANMTN. CNVCTN WRAPS .35 USING THE LOG10 SPIRAL
GIVING A DT OF 2.0. FT IS BASED ON DT...PT AGREES.

AODT: T2.0 (CRVD BND)
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#809 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:20 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:Wow... gfdl has shifted quite a bit left of last run... looks like the models are seeing the flow as more zonal, and the trough not as sharp.

Lots of time, and the models certainly could flip back east, but this seems to be a bit of good news for FL at least in the short term.


depends on what part of florida :wink:
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#810 Postby floridahurricaneguy » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:22 pm

Emmett_Brown wrote:Wow... gfdl has shifted quite a bit left of last run... looks like the models are seeing the flow as more zonal, and the trough not as sharp.

Lots of time, and the models certainly could flip back east, but this seems to be a bit of good news for FL at least in the short term.


But could the GFDL still does what GFS is thinking by having trough still pick it up and pulling it into Tampa eventually? I still think they see the trough but the models are not looking at it right or something.

MAtt
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#811 Postby linkerweather » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:23 pm

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/NHWV.JPG

Note the massive ULL off the west coast. See NEXRADs discussion in the pro threads regarding the upper pattern and its influence on TD 24 in the longer term. the models, IMO are adjusting left in the short term due to the high building in north of TD 24 for about 24 to 36 hours more then earlier runs. But, it is important to look beyond that. Even 2 or 3 runs ago, there were strong indications that a somewhat hard NE turn would take place, (here is the key....AT SOME POINT). To me, this, along with intensity beyond 72 hours are extremely crucial for the Florida Peninsula. I am moderately confident that a landfall will occur east of MS/AL border and most likely west central or sw Florida sometime late weekend. I am somewhat hesitant regarding the intensity only because of current conditions, but the 18z GFS is in line with the 12z with respect to near perfect UL conditions by Wednesday. Also, note the 18z GFS with the more significant right turn late in the period prior to the peninsula. The general "thinking" from the GFS seems reasonable, only specific effects and details remain in question. Unless something else changes in the model run, the GFS will be followed for its overall pattern regarding TD 24


(edited to add GFDL discussion.....the GFDL does have TD 24 miss the initial weakness but certainly turns rapidly north right at the end of its cycle, obviously impacted by the second more impressive trough now off the west coast CONUS
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#812 Postby Emmett_Brown » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:24 pm

Good point... very early in the game, but the GFDL seems to suggest that the next trough will miss the storm, and send it west...

Of course, this is way early, and a big swing from this morning, so it could easily swing back...
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#813 Postby Ivanhater » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:26 pm

linkerweather wrote:http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/NHWV.JPG

Note the massive ULL off the west coast. See NEXRADs discussion in the pro threads regarding the upper pattern and its influence on TD 24 in the longer term. the models, IMO are adjusting left in the short term due to the high building in north of TD 24 for about 24 to 36 hours more then earlier runs. But, it is important to look beyond that. Even 2 or 3 runs ago, there were strong indications that a somewhat hard NE turn would take place, (here is the key....AT SOME POINT). To me, this, along with intensity beyond 72 hours are extremely crucial for the Florida Peninsula. I am moderately confident that a landfall will occur east of MS/AL border and most likely west central or sw Florida sometime late weekend. I am somewhat hesitant regarding the intensity only because of current conditions, but the 18z GFS is in line with the 12z with respect to near perfect UL conditions by Wednesday. Also, note the 18z GFS with the more significant right turn late in the period prior to the peninsula. The general "thinking" from the GFS seems reasonable, only specific effects and details remain in question. Unless something else changes in the model run, the GFS will be followed for its overall pattern regarding TD 24



some good points
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#814 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:28 pm

linkerweather wrote:http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/NHWV.JPG

Note the massive ULL off the west coast. See NEXRADs discussion in the pro threads regarding the upper pattern and its influence on TD 24 in the longer term. the models, IMO are adjusting left in the short term due to the high building in north of TD 24 for about 24 to 36 hours more then earlier runs. But, it is important to look beyond that. Even 2 or 3 runs ago, there were strong indications that a somewhat hard NE turn would take place, (here is the key....AT SOME POINT). To me, this, along with intensity beyond 72 hours are extremely crucial for the Florida Peninsula. I am moderately confident that a landfall will occur east of MS/AL border and most likely west central or sw Florida sometime late weekend. I am somewhat hesitant regarding the intensity only because of current conditions, but the 18z GFS is in line with the 12z with respect to near perfect UL conditions by Wednesday. Also, note the 18z GFS with the more significant right turn late in the period prior to the peninsula. The general "thinking" from the GFS seems reasonable, only specific effects and details remain in question. Unless something else changes in the model run, the GFS will be followed for its overall pattern regarding TD 24


(edited to add GFDL discussion.....the GFDL does have TD 24 miss the initial weakness but certainly turns rapidly north right at the end of its cycle, obviously impacted by the second more impressive trough now off the west coast CONUS



I have to say that this is one of the most excellently written
analyses of tropical systems that I have ever read. Josh Linker
is that you from baynews9?
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#815 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:28 pm

linkerweather wrote:http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/NHWV.JPG

Note the massive ULL off the west coast. See NEXRADs discussion in the pro threads regarding the upper pattern and its influence on TD 24 in the longer term. the models, IMO are adjusting left in the short term due to the high building in north of TD 24 for about 24 to 36 hours more then earlier runs. But, it is important to look beyond that. Even 2 or 3 runs ago, there were strong indications that a somewhat hard NE turn would take place, (here is the key....AT SOME POINT). To me, this, along with intensity beyond 72 hours are extremely crucial for the Florida Peninsula. I am moderately confident that a landfall will occur east of MS/AL border and most likely west central or sw Florida sometime late weekend. I am somewhat hesitant regarding the intensity only because of current conditions, but the 18z GFS is in line with the 12z with respect to near perfect UL conditions by Wednesday. Also, note the 18z GFS with the more significant right turn late in the period prior to the peninsula. The general "thinking" from the GFS seems reasonable, only specific effects and details remain in question. Unless something else changes in the model run, the GFS will be followed for its overall pattern regarding TD 24


(edited to add GFDL discussion.....the GFDL does have TD 24 miss the initial weakness but certainly turns rapidly north right at the end of its cycle, obviously impacted by the second more impressive trough now off the west coast CONUS


Agree Josh:)
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#816 Postby jabber » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:29 pm

Nice... Thanks much.

linkerweather wrote:http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/NHWV.JPG

Note the massive ULL off the west coast. See NEXRADs discussion in the pro threads regarding the upper pattern and its influence on TD 24 in the longer term. the models, IMO are adjusting left in the short term due to the high building in north of TD 24 for about 24 to 36 hours more then earlier runs. But, it is important to look beyond that. Even 2 or 3 runs ago, there were strong indications that a somewhat hard NE turn would take place, (here is the key....AT SOME POINT). To me, this, along with intensity beyond 72 hours are extremely crucial for the Florida Peninsula. I am moderately confident that a landfall will occur east of MS/AL border and most likely west central or sw Florida sometime late weekend. I am somewhat hesitant regarding the intensity only because of current conditions, but the 18z GFS is in line with the 12z with respect to near perfect UL conditions by Wednesday. Also, note the 18z GFS with the more significant right turn late in the period prior to the peninsula. The general "thinking" from the GFS seems reasonable, only specific effects and details remain in question. Unless something else changes in the model run, the GFS will be followed for its overall pattern regarding TD 24


(edited to add GFDL discussion.....the GFDL does have TD 24 miss the initial weakness but certainly turns rapidly north right at the end of its cycle, obviously impacted by the second more impressive trough now off the west coast CONUS
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#817 Postby linkerweather » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:30 pm

Thanks for the compliment, it is me JOsh Linker from Bay NEws 9. As far as well written discussions, i urge everyone to read NEXRAD's posts in the promet forum. He (jay) is quite the writer. I am often way to busy to put something detailed together in writing. Normally Sunday evenings I am spent after working mornings all weekend, but I got a good nap today after the early NFL games.
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#818 Postby Rainband » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:35 pm

linkerweather wrote:Thanks for the compliment, it is me JOsh Linker from Bay NEws 9. As far as well written discussions, i urge everyone to read NEXRAD's posts in the promet forum. He (jay) is quite the writer. I am often way to busy to put something detailed together in writing. Normally Sunday evenings I am spent after working mornings all weekend, but I got a good nap today after the early NFL games.
We know who you are!!! One of the Best Mets in TB :)
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#819 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:36 pm

Rainband wrote:
linkerweather wrote:Thanks for the compliment, it is me JOsh Linker from Bay NEws 9. As far as well written discussions, i urge everyone to read NEXRAD's posts in the promet forum. He (jay) is quite the writer. I am often way to busy to put something detailed together in writing. Normally Sunday evenings I am spent after working mornings all weekend, but I got a good nap today after the early NFL games.
We know who you are!!! One of the Best Mets in TB :)

Yup!
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#820 Postby SkeetoBite » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:38 pm

Rainband wrote:
linkerweather wrote:Thanks for the compliment, it is me JOsh Linker from Bay NEws 9. As far as well written discussions, i urge everyone to read NEXRAD's posts in the promet forum. He (jay) is quite the writer. I am often way to busy to put something detailed together in writing. Normally Sunday evenings I am spent after working mornings all weekend, but I got a good nap today after the early NFL games.
We know who you are!!! One of the Best Mets in TB :)


Indeed!
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