Was Camille 190 mph?

[f5]

since Wilma had an 882 mb pressure smallest compact storm on record i'm her scratching my head why weren't the winds over 200 mph this thing had an eye about a mile wide

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Maybe because with only 2 nmi wide eye that is almost impossible to get the highest winds. Heck they take the winds every 30 seconds...You go almost through the wind field in that time. I personally think it was closer to 190 mph...But thats my option.

[f5]

i heard the skater anology the smaller the eye the faster the winds this thing had the smallest eye on record

[Aslkahuna]

One factor, which has been discussed by NHC with regards to Wilma during the early phases of the storm is that the pressure surrounding the storm were lower than the usual climatological values for the area and time of year. This means that the gradient or difference in pressure with respect to distance is not as tight as it would be for a storm in a normal pressure regime. A certain corporate Meteorologist noth withstanding, it's GRADIENT and NOT central pressure that is most important in the development of the winds. That said, there's also a lag time in the wind catching up to the storm, they need to spinup and inertia keeps that from happening immediately. In the case of this storm, the pressure fell too fast for the winds to catch up before the windfield began to expand. Finally, the diameter of the eye is too small for the WC-130 to turn safely within it. The normal turning radius of the C-130 in a non combat (steeply banked)turn is 1.5 NM so they had to shoot across and this may affect the wind measurements. They can not do a short radius turn in proximity to the eyewall-it's too dangerous. They tried that in STY Kit in 1966 and we nearly lost an aircraft and they also tried it in STY June in 1975 and got tossed out of the eye twice.

Steve

[f5]

its good that they are safe i never recall the hurricane hunters having to do extreme stunt manuvers in order to get data

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

So the Western Pacific has lower pressures...882 millibars is about as low as you can go with the TCHP...So this is like a 860s millibar typhoon in the western Pacific is that right?

[ohiostorm]

How turbulant is it when they are flying through the storm?

[soonertwister]

Tossed from the eye!

Man, that must have been about as scary as it gets. Gotta be one STRONG airplane to withstand that kind of stress.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I don't think its possible for stronger then 880s in the Atlantic.

[truballer#1]

I don't think its possible for stronger then 880s in the Atlantic.

I think its possible

[soonertwister]

If a storm can get to 882, then it can get to 879. Will this be the one?

880 mb is below 26 inches of mercury. Wilma has already come very close to that. Boggles the mind.

[Jim Cantore]

its possible that wilma drops below 880 if it trys to bomb out again

[Mississippi Storm Magnet]

A professional meteorologist can explain, but a storm's MPI (Maximum Potential Intensity) is based on several individual factors which are specific to storms.

[curtadams]

Maybe because with only 2 nmi wide eye that is almost impossible to get the highest winds. Heck they take the winds every 30 seconds...You go almost through the wind field in that time. I personally think it was closer to 190 mph...But thats my option.

Seems they adjusted for that. In the "VDM from ****" http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic ... &start=560 they reported max winds of 194 mph. That's the "max wind" which I think is a 10 second measurement. 10 seconds should be short enough to get a pretty good reading. You'll note that the 10 sec winds aren't enormously higher than the 1 min winds, so I don't think there will be all that much change within the 10 sec period.

[wxmann_91]

Wilma was almost like a WPAC typhoon. The surrounding atmospheric pressures in the Caribbean were lower than normal (almost as low as the normal pressures in the WPAC), which, though allowed Wilma to break the pressure record, decreased the gradient. Had this occurred in September or August and everything else was the same, this could've easily approached the strength of Tip.

[Jim Cantore]

Tip huh?

If you can compare any aspect of a storm to Tip you got a big one.

Tip was the cyclone of cyclones