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#2201 Postby Foladar0 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:41 pm

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Foladar0 wrote:Still 150mph / 923mb as of 11 .. really looks like -nothing- has changed


recon hasn't gotten down there yet


Right...there's no reason to change anything yet.

There is, the track .. and intensity forecast?
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#2202 Postby milankovitch » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:41 pm

Ever so slight shift east in the NHC track which now just grazes the Yucatan.
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#2203 Postby cjrciadt » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:43 pm

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Cat1> winds just off the coast.
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#2204 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:44 pm

milankovitch wrote:Ever so slight shift east in the NHC track which now just grazes the Yucatan.



Agree..They also said a NNW to Nw Track for next 24 hrs..Interesting..My Calcs would tell me thats not much land interaction
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#2205 Postby THead » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:49 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:
milankovitch wrote:Ever so slight shift east in the NHC track which now just grazes the Yucatan.



Agree..They also said a NNW to Nw Track for next 24 hrs..Interesting..My Calcs would tell me thats not much land interaction


Also:
...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY FOUR WILMA MOVING SLOWLY TOWARD
COZUMEL AND BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED...

You can see the colder tops trying real hard to wrap around the NW and W of the core.
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#2206 Postby Talon402 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:50 pm

Agreed. Extrapolation of the radar trajectory shows a glancing blow of the western eyewall. Although jogs make all the difference............
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#2207 Postby dhweather » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:54 pm

Talon402 wrote:Agreed. Extrapolation of the radar trajectory shows a glancing blow of the western eyewall. Although jogs make all the difference............


Oddly enough, a storm with a long history of wobbles and jogs is
going rather "straight" for a change.

Perhaps the shortwave is pulling her.
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#2208 Postby wxmann_91 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:56 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:
milankovitch wrote:Ever so slight shift east in the NHC track which now just grazes the Yucatan.



Agree..They also said a NNW to Nw Track for next 24 hrs..Interesting..My Calcs would tell me thats not much land interaction


Wishful thinking, the latest track has a direct hit on Cancun. :( However, as mentioned above, extrapolated line would take it just to the east. Will be a close call.

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#2209 Postby cycloneye » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:57 pm

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HURRICANE WILMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 23
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT THU OCT 20 2005

REPORTS FROM A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT BEFORE 00Z INDICATED
THAT THE CENTRAL PRESSURE OF WILMA HAD RISEN TO 923 MB...AND THE
MAXIMUM 700 MB FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS HAD DECREASED TO 130-140 KT.
SINCE THEN...SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS AN IMPROVED EYE PRESENTATION
AND COOLING CLOUD TOPS AROUND THE CENTER..ALTHOUGH NOT ENOUGH TO
JUSTIFY AN INCREASE IN INTENSITY. BASED ON THIS...THE INITIAL
INTENSITY REMAINS 130 KT. THE NEXT AIRCRAFT WILL INVESTIGATE WILMA
AROUND 05Z.

WILMA HAS TURNED MORE TO THE RIGHT DURING THE PAST FEW HR...WITH THE
INITIAL MOTION NOW 325/5. THE HURRICANE IS MOVING INTO A COL AREA
BETWEEN MID-LEVEL RIDGES TO THE EAST AND WEST...WHILE THE STRONGER
WESTERLIES REMAIN NORTH OF 26N ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE NOAA G4
JET. THIS IS A GOOD FORMULA FOR SLOW MOTION...AND ALL MODELS AGREE
ON THIS FOR THE NEXT 24-48 HR. HOWEVER...THE DYNAMICAL MODELS
STEER WILMA NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE YUCATAN PENINSULA DURING THE
NEXT 12-24 HR...A MOTION THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT RIGHT
TURN OR THE JET DATA. THEREFORE...THE FORECAST TRACK WILL BE WELL
TO THE RIGHT OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE...WITH THE CENTER FORECAST TO
PASS OVER THE EXTREME NORTHEASTERN TIP OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA.
THIS TRACK ALSO REQUIRES AN EARLIER RECURVATURE INTO THE WESTERLIES
THAN ANY OF THE GUIDANCE AND A FASTER PROGRESS TOWARD THE NORTHEAST
AND THE FLORIDA PENINSULA. THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS SIMILAR TO
THE PREVIOUS FORECAST...EXCEPT SOMEWHAT SLOWER THROUGH 96 HR.
GIVEN THE RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM THE MODEL GUIDANCE...THIS IS A LOW
CONFIDENCE FORECAST.

THE INTENSITY FORECAST IS VERY PROBLEMATIC. FIRST...THE INTENSITY
FORECAST CALLS FOR WEAKENING DUE TO PASSAGE OVER THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA. IF WILMA MOVES AS FAR INLAND AS THE MODELS FORECAST...
IT WILL WEAKEN CONSIDERABLY AND LIKELY BE MUCH WEAKER THAN FORECAST
ALONG THE REST OF THE TRACK. ON THE OTHER HAND...IF THE EYE MOVES
EAST OF THE TRACK THE HURRICANE WILL LIKELY STAY STRONGER THAN
FORECAST...AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST 36-48 HR. SECOND...ALL AVAILABLE
DATA SHOWS THAT THE OUTFLOW HAS DECREASED TO THE WEST AS WEAK
WESTERLY FLOW IMPINGES ON WILMA. THIS WILL LIKELY NOT PREVENT THE
INTENSIFICATION FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HR...ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE
A PRECURSOR TO THE SHEAR FORECAST TO AFFECT THE HURRICANE OVER THE
GULF OF MEXICO. THIS SHEAR SHOULD CAUSE WILMA TO WEAKEN REGARDLESS
OF HOW STRONG IT IS AFTER PASSING YUCATAN. THIRD...WATER VAPOR
IMAGERY CONTINUES TO SHOW VERY DRY MID/UPPER-LEVEL AIR COVERING THE
GULF OF MEXICO. AS WILMA INTERACTS WITH THE WESTERLIES...THIS AIR
SHOULD BEGIN TO ENTRAIN INTO THE HURRICANE...AND INDEED THERE HAS
BEEN SOME EROSION OF THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CLOUD PATTERN DURING
THE PAST 6 HR. FINALLY...WILMA SHOULD PASS OVER THE WARM LOOP
CURRENT FOLLOWED BY COOLER WATERS NEAR THE FLORIDA PENINSULA. THE
LATTER SHOULD AID THE SHEAR-INDUCED WEAKENING. GIVEN THE
UNCERTAINTIES...THE INTENSITY FORECAST WILL CHANGE LITTLE FROM THE
PREVIOUS ADVISORY. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IF WILMA MISSES YUCATAN
THERE IS A CHANCE THAT IN SPITE OF ALL THE NEGATIVE FACTORS IT
COULD BE A MAJOR HURRICANE AT LANDFALL IN FLORIDA.

NOAA BUOY 42003 IN THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO REPORTS THAT LARGE
SWELLS GENERATED BY WILMA ARE PROPAGATING TOWARD PORTIONS OF THE
NORTHERN GULF COAST...AND COULD REACH THE COAST ON FRIDAY.

FORECASTER BEVEN


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 21/0300Z 19.3N 86.0W 130 KT
12HR VT 21/1200Z 19.9N 86.4W 140 KT
24HR VT 22/0000Z 20.8N 87.0W 145 KT...INLAND
36HR VT 22/1200Z 21.5N 87.1W 120 KT...INLAND
48HR VT 23/0000Z 22.1N 86.7W 105 KT...OVER WATER
72HR VT 24/0000Z 23.5N 84.5W 95 KT
96HR VT 25/0000Z 27.5N 79.5W 65 KT
120HR VT 26/0000Z 38.5N 69.5W 60 KT...EXTRATROPICAL

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#2210 Postby caneman » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:57 pm

dhweather wrote:
Talon402 wrote:Agreed. Extrapolation of the radar trajectory shows a glancing blow of the western eyewall. Although jogs make all the difference............


Oddly enough, a storm with a long history of wobbles and jogs is
going rather "straight" for a change.

Perhaps the shortwave is pulling her.


Does seem to be the case and why NHC is relying on GFDL so much for this storm is beyond me. I still think Port Charlotte to Sarasota. We'll shall see.
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#2211 Postby jkt21787 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:58 pm

Discussion confirms that light westerly shear is in fact affecting Wilma, a first sign of the things to come as the westerlies grab her...
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#2212 Postby PurdueWx80 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:59 pm

The 11 p.m. discussion describes the impending shear and dry westerlies to a T. Couldn't have described what they're seeing any better myself.
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#2213 Postby CronkPSU » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:59 pm

jkt21787 wrote:Discussion confirms that light westerly shear is in fact affecting Wilma, a first sign of the things to come as the westerlies grab her...


i'm not sold on that as much as it is interacting with land to the west
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#2214 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:01 pm

Looking better organized; I'm looking forward for the next RECON.
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#2215 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:02 pm

Discussion is disturbing for FL as it states Major Cane possible..
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#2216 Postby dhweather » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:03 pm

Forecast path = total loss of Cozumel. :cry:
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#2217 Postby Geomagnetic Man » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:03 pm

I think that Wilma will weaken, then around between cuba and florida latitude, strengthen alot. 50MB Vort GFS advertises this hint. Its at 45 vort, then it goes right to 55. 10 values higher, with an impact on SW Florida.

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#2218 Postby jkt21787 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:03 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:Discussion is disturbing for FL as it states Major Cane possible..

It would have to miss the Yucatan or just barely graze it for a few hours or less for this to have any real chance of verifying, and this is looking more and more unlikely.
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#2219 Postby cycloneye » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:04 pm

HOWEVER...THE DYNAMICAL MODELS
STEER WILMA NORTHWESTWARD INTO THE YUCATAN PENINSULA DURING THE
NEXT 12-24 HR...A MOTION THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT RIGHT
TURN OR THE JET DATA. THEREFORE...THE FORECAST TRACK WILL BE WELL
TO THE RIGHT OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE...


On the talking tropics show Mike Watkins just said that the sentence above may have huge implications because of the upper pattern may change the 00z models.
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#2220 Postby PuertoRicoLibre » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:04 pm

Cancun is at 21N 86.9W, Cozumel is at 20.5N and 86.9W. Mrs. Flinstone is already at 86.0W. It would have to do a real shap N turn now in order for it to be a glancing blow for those folks, even though the inland areas will fare better (of course, the inland areas are so poor even Cat 1 range is too high)

Aren't those models consistently shifting south? Where's the hostile wind boundary?
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