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#41 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:21 pm

CajunMama wrote:If you don't have an economy you can't have a community. No spending, no stores, no people.

Linda, you want more poor people back in NO? You'll need more police patrol. You need more police patrol? You'll need more taxes. I never said anything about Bourbon St. in my posts...i'll look again but i know i didn't. You've got to have an economy to make a comeback. You can't start with zero, add people who are going to contribute zero and expect growth. 0 + 0 does not equal a postive number.

The evacuees from the NO area that are living here are now in brand new FEMA trailers and probably alot nicer than the the homes some of them had been living in in NO. They are so not cast aside and forgotten. You have no idea then what the towns and cities in LA are still doing for these people along with caring for those who lost everything south and west of me. Our communities have given and given and given without asking for anything in return. Our wallets, homes, schools and businesses are still open for those who want or need help.


It is still not home to them. I do understand what you are TRYING to say and I have plenty of IDEA what is going on. I am living it everyday. It is easier to sit there when you have not been through it and say things. Emotional? yeah I guess. Hopefully and I pray you are never in this situation.

Well said sunny!! Maybe someday someone will actually get it.
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#42 Postby sunny » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:49 pm

I'm not trying to make anyone look like the bad person out here. But it is almost a catch 22. Darned if you do, darned if you don't. I work with many of the people who are the upper class, the ones who can afford the condos that are going to go up. Many of them wanted to, and some have stayed, in Baton Rouge because life is easier up there. They have bought second homes there. I'll be honest with you, the main reason my firm came back when we did is because we put ourselves out there as being "committed to the rebuilding of New Orleans". It would have been suicide from a PR standpoint for us to stay in BR. And it was the support staff that fought tooth and nail to come home. We were falling like leaves in the fall. We left them with no choice - stay in BR and you will not have a support staff. So we came home. I am glad to be home, but sometimes I look around I think "my God, why did I WANT to come back here?"
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#43 Postby sunny » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:56 pm

Here is another view. There are jobs to be had here, but housing is a huge issue. So we have what is being called a "very undesirable element" here making the money instead of the citizens of this area. It's a vicious circle. You do have a certain class of people who WANT to work, but do not have a place to live. For some reason or another, the FEMA trailers are very slow in being delivered here. These are the people I have been referring to.

Then you have another element who are content to just lay up and let the government pay their way. So what happens? We have nothing but "this third element" here living in tents cities making money! These people are not going to invest the money they make into this city.
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#44 Postby Ixolib » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:24 pm

In relation to this quite interesting discussion, did anyone see Nagin's Town Hall Meeting today on Channel 6 (WDSU)? It was certainly lively and quite emotional for many. Based on the input at that meeting, there is A LOT yet to be done - A LOT...

Here's a small portion of video of the discussion
http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2005/1130/5430706.200k.asx


And a blurb about the same at CNN.com
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/11/29/ne ... .townhall/
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#45 Postby sunny » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:34 am

from time.com

Does this sound like a city that is ready to host Mardi Gras?


Hurricane Katrina
New Orleans Today: It's Worse Than You Think
Neighborhoods are still dark, garbage piles up on the street, and bodies are still being found. The city's pain is a nation's shame
By CATHY BOOTH THOMAS/NEW ORLEANS
Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005

On Bourbon Street in the French Quarter, the neon lights are flashing, the booze is flowing, and the demon demolition men of Hurricane Katrina are ogling a showgirl performing in a thong. The Bourbon House is shucking local oysters again, Daiquiri's is churning out its signature alcoholic slushies, and Mardi Gras masks are once again on sale. But drive north toward the hurricane-ravaged housing subdivisions off Lake Pontchartrain and the masks you see aren't made for Carnival. They are industrial-strength respirators, stark and white, the only things capable of stopping a stench that turns the stomach and dredges up bad memories of a night nearly three months ago. Most disasters come and go in a neat arc of calamity, followed by anger at the slow response, then cleanup. But Katrina cut a historic deadly swath across the South, and rebuilding can't start until the cleanup is done. In much of New Orleans, the leafy coverage of live oaks is gone. Lingering in the sky instead is a fine grit that tastes metallic to the tongue. Everyone's life story is out on the curb, soaked and stinky--furniture and clothing, dishes and rotting drywall, even formerly fabulous antiques. Dump trucks come periodically to remove the piles, taking some to a former city park, now a heap of rubbish several football fields long, towering above the head. The smell is sweet, horrific.

They're still finding bodies down here 13 weeks after Hurricane Katrina hit--30 in the past month--raising the death toll to 1,053 in Louisiana. The looters are still working too, brazenly taking their haul in daylight. But at night darkness falls, and it's quiet. "It's spooky out there. There's no life," says cardiologist Pat Breaux, who lives near Pontchartrain with only a handful of neighbors. The destruction, says Breaux, head of the Orleans Parish Medical Society, depresses people. Suicides are up citywide, he says, although no one has a handle on the exact number. Murders, on the other hand, have dropped to almost none.

Mayor Ray Nagin opened up most of the city to returning evacuees last week, but only an estimated 60,000 people are spending the night in New Orleans these days, compared with about half a million before Katrina. The city that care forgot is in the throes of an identity crisis, torn between its shady, bead-tossing past and the sanitized Disneyland future some envision. With no clear direction on whether to raze or rebuild, the 300,000 residents who fled the region are frustrated--and increasingly indecisive--about returning. If they do come back, will there be jobs good enough to stay for? If they do rebuild, will the levees be strong enough to protect them? They can't shake the feeling that somehow they did something wrong just by living where they did. And now the money and the sympathy are drying up. People just don't understand. You have to see it, smell it, put on a white mask and a pair of plastic gloves, and walk into a world where nothing is salvageable, not even the mildewed wedding pictures.

Beyond an island of light downtown, most of Orleans Parish is still in the dark. Of the city's eight hospitals pre-Katrina, only two are open to serve a population that swells to 150,000 during the day. The public school system--destroyed by back-to-back hurricanes--is in limbo while the state considers a takeover and charter-school advocates vie for abandoned facilities. One lone public school for 500 students is set to open this week.

The once flashy city has become drab. The grass and trees, marinated for weeks in saltwater, are a dreary gray-brown. Parking lots look like drought-starved lake beds, with cracks in the mud. Within a few hours, anyone working outside is covered in a fine layer of grit. The trees that gave New Orleans such character--the centuries-old live oaks with their grand canopies and graceful lines--are toppled, exposing huge root balls 10 ft. or more in diameter. It's all the more surreal because the Garden District, which survived the flood, is lush and beautiful once again.

The tax base has been shredded, forcing New Orleans to limp along on about a quarter of its usual income of $400 million to $500 million per year. The city has lost an estimated $1.5 million a day in tourism revenues since Katrina, and only a quarter of the 3,400 restaurants are open. Moody's has lowered the city's credit rating from investment grade to junk. The latest insult? The nation's flood-insurance program ran out of money for the first time since its founding in 1968, and some insurers temporarily stopped issuing checks.

That may have consequences for people like Marguerite Simon, 82. She worked hard cleaning other people's homes, earning just enough to buy into the Ninth Ward, one of New Orleans' poorest neighborhoods. She was wearing rubber gloves, rubber boots and a paper face mask last week, cleaning black amoebic splotches of mold off precious family treasures. Inside the small house, her well-made furniture, with its carved arms and curved legs, lay scattered as if some giant Mixmaster had been whirling away. Sitting on her tiny porch, she managed a laugh. "You have to laugh," she said, "but it don't come from the heart." She wants to stay in her neighborhood, even though bodies are still being found there. Across the street, a widower was found dead by his visiting son just last week. Simon had a small flood-insurance policy, but even so, she's not sure she can afford to rebuild or that she will be allowed to. The cost of demolishing a house is several thousand dollars and rising. For now she's living with her daughter Pamela Lewis in nearby Algiers, but Simon hates the loss of independence. "Inside, I'm hurt," she says. "I miss having things my way." Lewis is helping her complete Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) paperwork to get a trailer to place at the back of the lot in Algiers. "I believe there's a lesson and a blessing in everything. We just haven't found it yet," says Sharon Welch, another daughter who is visiting from Chicago, and the women laugh.

Real estate agent Sherry Masinter, 46, lived with her lawyer husband Milton, 73, in the Lakeview neighborhood until the 17th Street Canal levee broke and flooded their house with 8 ft. of water. Today mold grows up the walls. The couple paid for flood insurance faithfully for 20 years and were reimbursed, but their neighbors are still battling with their insurance company over arcane formulas. Milton argues--as did independent experts from the National Science Foundation and the American Society of Civil Engineers recently--that poor levee design by the Army Corps of Engineers caused the flood, not Katrina. That puts the burden on Washington to help, he says. The breached levee, shored up with sandbags, is still leaking onto city streets. "It's very frustrating," says Sherry, "to the point where we've talked of going to Washington for a peaceful protest just to say, 'You've forgotten us.'"

Repair and cleanup are linked, to some degree, with planning what New Orleans should look like five years from now. The Louisiana Recovery Authority, appointed by Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, met in November with hundreds of New Orleans residents to develop priorities, brainstorm ideas with planners and businessmen, and present a unified voice. The Authority vice chair Walter Isaacson petitioned Congress last week for help in establishing a "recovery corporation" as a vehicle for the city's rebuilding neighborhoods. Donald Powell, the new hurricane czar appointed by George W. Bush, said his job is to listen and gather facts to help the President "understand the vision of the local people." The one-time banker, who admits he has a little boning up to do on levees, says he will spend the next few weeks shuttling in and out of the hurricane area, developing a blueprint for federal reconstruction help.

Washington approved $62.3 billion to help hurricane victims after the trifecta of Katrina, Rita and Wilma. With an additional $8.6 billion in tax breaks and programs for the region, the total tab of nearly $71 billion is far beyond the $43.9 billion dedicated to emergency spending after the 9/11 attacks. But congressional Republicans are picking up strong signals from the White House that the Administration is not going to move forward with any grand coastal plan. "There's not a sense of urgency anymore," says a senior House Republican aide.

Louisiana's recent request for $250 billion, perilously short on details, got a contemptuous reception from Republicans ("Nonstarter," said a Senate aide), editorial writers (who dubbed it the "Louisiana looters' bill") and even a few Democrats ("They're thieves," said a House aide involved with budgeting for Louisiana relief). Michael Olivier, Louisiana's secretary of economic development, points out that Katrina devastated a far larger area--23,000 acres--than 9/11 did and destroyed nearly 284,000 homes. With 71,000 businesses shut down by Katrina and a further 10,000 by Rita, and with local governments short on tax revenues, he says, "We're looking at potentially the largest business insolvency since the Depression, and a government insolvency."

FEMA continues to be a four-letter word in Louisiana. In Kenner and Metairie, suburbs west of New Orleans, blue tarps provided by FEMA dot the roofs of homes damaged by wind, but there are few in the worst-affected neighborhoods like Lakeview, the Ninth Ward and East New Orleans--a policy defended by the agency. "What's to protect?" asks FEMA spokeswoman Nicol Andrews in Washington. She argues, like the insurance companies, that most of the damage east of New Orleans was from floodwaters, not wind. Tarps, she says, would be a waste of money. "There are still houses left standing, but you wouldn't let any living thing you cared about get near them [after they had soaked in] standing black water for four weeks," says Andrews.

FEMA trailers for temporary housing are a rare sight in East New Orleans, largely because there is no electricity and inundated city inspectors are behind on approving utility hookups. Entergy New Orleans, which filed for bankruptcy protection after Katrina, plans to double its repair work force so that most of the remaining 75,000 customers will have power by year's end, thus clearing the way for trailers to be installed. The move comes none too soon, since FEMA is cutting off payments for hotel rooms by Dec. 1 to encourage families to move into permanent homes, using money they were given for apartment deposits. Olivier told a gathering of planners in New Orleans that FEMA'S trailer parks had been held up by EPA requirements for an environmental study. "They told us that we have to protect the endangered species," said Olivier, who then delivered his applause line. "I told them, 'Hell, we are the endangered species!'" Andrews says the agency does not mandate such studies.

The delays and squabbles mean that Congress's $62.3 billion largesse has mostly gone unspent. More than half--$37.5 billion--is sitting in FEMA's account, waiting for a purpose. Under fire for being slow to respond, the Bush Administration had rushed two emergency supplemental bills to Congress with little thought about how the money would be spent or how fast. Now FEMA is "awash in money," says a Democratic appropriations aide. Of the nearly $25 billion assigned to projects, checks totaling only about $6.2 billion have been cashed. As a result, a third supplemental-funding bill sent to Congress suggests taking back $2.3 billion in aid. Mayor Ray Nagin attempted to shore up support for the city's recovery before Congress last week, but he came home with little new. The comment of a G.O.P. aide was typical: "We want to see them helping themselves before they ask us for help."

The mayor's Bring New Orleans Back Commission has created buzz in the city by involving thousands of people in public life. But what residents want most is something the mayor pragmatically believes may be impossible for the moment--levees that will protect against Category 5 hurricanes. The Corps of Engineers plans to repair 40 miles of the 300-mile system before the next hurricane season. Nagin won promises from the Corps to rebuild the system to withstand a Category 3 storm "plus some," which means they plan to fix the flaws that reputedly caused the levee breaks that flooded 80% of the city--for as long as four weeks in some areas. The improved levees will be 17 ft. high, vs. 12 ft. to 13 ft. pre-Katrina. With $8 million pending for a two-year Category 5 study, the mayor seems content to bide his time. "There is no science to build a Category 5 levee protection now anyway," says Nagin.

New Orleans has a more immediate problem: its health-care system. "Should we have another hurricane, multiple accidents, a major fire or a flu epidemic, it could overwhelm our system," warns Dr. Breaux. Fewer than 15% of the doctors are back, nurses are in short supply and medical records are missing or destroyed. The Navy hospital ship is gone, replaced by a makeshift treatment center that moved out of tents and into the New Orleans Convention Center last week. Level One trauma care, for the most seriously wounded, is available only in the next parish. "If you're in a major car accident, have been stabbed or shot or hit over the head with a pipe, the soonest you could go into the operating room now is about an hour--and that's if you 'schedule' your trauma between 8 a.m. and 2 p.m.," says Dr. Peter DeBlieux, an internist at the temporary convention center site.

Eighteen months before Katrina, business leaders in New Orleans created an economic development vehicle, GNO Inc., with a five-year goal of creating 30,000 jobs. They may make their goal quicker than that, but the jobs will be in Baton Rouge, or perhaps Houston and Atlanta, thanks to the hurricane. At a downtown job fair last week, Leo G. Doyle, a sales-training manager for UPS, said his company lost 30% of its work force after Katrina and was looking for drivers and package handlers. "We have a lot of good workers who have been displaced, a lot of good workers with loss-of-family issues, loss-of-spirit issues," says Doyle. "If we had housing, they would return." Burger King is offering a $6,000 signing bonus to anyone who will work in New Orleans for at least a year.

New Orleans will never again be the New Orleans of Aug. 28, 2005, the day before Katrina hit. But that New Orleans was not the city of 30 years ago either. There is no reason to think New Orleans will not once again be a vibrant place, but it will take time, and more time than one might have thought just a month ago. As Jim Richardson, director of the Public Administration Institute at Louisiana State University, puts it, New Orleans is not a traditional hurricane-recovery model. "It's more like a war zone. You're looking at a 10-year recovery, not two years."
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#46 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:35 am

Definitely not Cindy!
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#47 Postby kevin » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:27 pm

This is Dresden after the bombings. Do not go here if you are squeemish.
http://www.anselm.edu/academic/history/ ... n%20Up.jpg

Dresden.
http://www.dresden-net.de/bilder/dresde ... 00x600.jpg

Old cities don't die.
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#48 Postby sunny » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:31 pm

No one is saying that New Orleans is dying. All I am saying is I DON'T think we will be ready for Mardi Gras 2006.
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#49 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:40 pm

kevin wrote:This is Dresden after the bombings. Do not go here if you are squeemish.
http://www.anselm.edu/academic/history/ ... n%20Up.jpg

Dresden.
http://www.dresden-net.de/bilder/dresde ... 00x600.jpg

Old cities don't die.


No one said anything about that.
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#50 Postby kevin » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:42 pm

My point is the recovery will be faster and larger than anyone can imagine.
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#51 Postby Lindaloo » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:47 pm

kevin wrote:My point is the recovery will be faster and larger than anyone can imagine.


Where are you located? Obviously you have NOT seen the devastation down here. And please do not tell me you saw it on TV because the TV does it no justice.
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#52 Postby kevin » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:00 pm

I am currently located in an undisclosed location. Just ignore my opinion if you find it contrary to the truth, I do the same to all of you. Really, I just have opinions. I was significantly involved in the coverage from all angles of this storm and its aftermath, but hey there is no monopoly of truth.

I showed Dresden for the benefit of showing that no matter how destroyed a place is, if there is the will to rebuild it will be rebuilt. Even Carthage which people think was destroyed, came back. Not with Carthaginians of course (its a much bigger problem to rebuild flesh and bones) but Romans.

The only thing that matters to a city is money in. New Orleans will never be the same, the demographics will change (they always do everywhere for a whole host of reasons) but the physical damage will be removed, commerce will completely return, and when they do have mardi gras, there will be plenty of hedonistic folks there thumbing their erms at Thor .
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#53 Postby sunny » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:19 am

Here is part of a transcript from a three month follow-up Anderson Cooper did.

THREE MONTHS LATER and this is where we are. Mardi Gras is in less than three months.


ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

New Orleans Three Months After Hurricane Katrina

Aired November 28, 2005 - 22:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. I'm Anderson Cooper, live in New Orleans, a city which is still reeling from three months ago, from Hurricane Katrina. It is the three-month anniversary of the storm striking.

And, if you thought the city was back on the feet, think again. Take a look at this, a car just completely destroyed. You see this block after block, completely covered in sand, one of the many cars. You can go down any street in this neighborhood here in New Orleans, and you will find the scenes just like this.

A special edition of 360 starts now.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANNOUNCER: Nearly three months after Katrina's wrath, New Orleans residents still seething over what has not been done, and now new talk the city should be abandoned. Will it ever be safe to come home?

And, from the classrooms of California, to the streets of New Orleans, how one elementary school thousands of miles from Katrina's destruction reached into their wallets and their hearts to help Katrina's victims and turned to a familiar face to help.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ANNOUNCER: This is a special edition of ANDERSON COOPER 360. Live from New Orleans, here's Anderson Cooper.

COOPER: And welcome back.

We're glad you're with us again tonight. We are back in New Orleans, as I said, exactly three months since Katrina, and we are finding a lot of anger about what has been done and what has not been done here. We are also here to help keep them honest, to make sure the people who are being held accountable, the ones making the promises, are doing their jobs and keeping their word to the people here in New Orleans and all throughout the Gulf Coast.

And this week also marks the end to the 2005 hurricane season, if you can believe it. What a year it has been. We start tonight with some of the headlines we are following at this moment.

Here in New Orleans, certain things floor you, not the least of which is a neighborhood just like this. This is a neighborhood probably about 10 minutes or so from -- from downtown, from Bourbon Street. And if you have seen the scenes on Bourbon Street, you see people out drinking, it looks like life has returned to normal.

But then you come to a place like here and you realize there is no life. Life has not returned to normal. I mean, take a look at this home here. The possessions are still laying all around. You can still -- I mean, you can just walk right up and see right into this person's house. There's a piano. There's the piano. It looks like there was a little bar by the kitchen.

And -- and it is block after block here in New Orleans of this kind of scenes. You know, you -- you would think, three months after this storm hit -- watch your step there -- three months after this storm hit, you would think these areas had -- would at least start to have been rebuilt. They really haven't. Some of the roads have been cleared, but this is pretty exactly like it was just three months ago.

And it has made a lot of people here angry, angry at the pace of rebuilding, angry that some people are even saying the city should not rebuilt -- be rebuilt.

CNN's Ed Lavandera has been talking to people here, and he's gotten a real sense of the anger.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The graffiti on the wall says it all, "Vote for someone who cares," a statement that captures a growing sense of abandonment Gulf Coast residents are feeling.

TRACY FLORES, RESIDENT OF NEW ORLEANS: You can look around you. There are no people, no children playing, no lights, no water, thing that is you need.

LAVANDERA: Tracy Flores has only been allowed back to her Lower Ninth Ward home once since Katrina struck. When she found out a neighbor's house had been torn down without permission, she lost trust in the government and joined a campaign to stop the bulldozers.

FLORES: Our area still isn't open, you know, to come in to clean up, to do whatever we need to do. And -- and, you know, people are -- are disheartened.

LAVANDERA: The pace of rebuilding is so slow, people wonder if the job will ever end or, in some places, ever begin. Streets still look like dump sites. There are few places to live. Power and water are still out in many areas. Despite $62 billion in federal aid being promised for the region, Saint Bernard Parish Sheriff Jack Stephens has lost faith in the federal government's ability to help.

JACK STEPHENS, SAINT BERNARD PARISH SHERIFF: It's like when you're growing up, you know, and you always -- you know, you think your parents love you. And -- and you think that, if you ever get in trouble, or you get hurt, or you fall down, they're going to be there to pick you up and help you get your life started again. I have been a patriot my whole life, and that's how I always felt about the federal government.

LAVANDERA: He says the region is trying to stand up, but the helping hand is missing.

(on camera): Anger and frustration runs all along the Gulf Coast, but, here in New Orleans, it cuts a little deeper. They like to say here that this was a city struck by two disasters. One, they can blame Mother Nature for. The second, they say, was manmade.

(voice-over): John Biguenet says poorly designed levees crippled the city. Now he thinks little is being done to make the levees bigger and stronger. Without that, he argues, people and businesses won't come back.

JOHN BIGUENET, RESIDENT OF NEW ORLEANS: The government itself, after making glorious promises about how they would rebuild this place even better than before -- the president stood in front of our cathedral and promises us that this would all be taken care of. Months later, nothing has happened.

LAVANDERA: Biguenet is a New Orleans novelist who has been writing about his experiences here for "The New York Times."

BIGUENET: And this was an entire wall of books. LAVANDERA: He fears, the city his family has lived in since the 19th century is in danger of disappearing.

BIGUENET: Now that we need their help, they're dithering, just the way they did when people were in the Superdome and on rooftops, basically doing nothing at all.

LAVANDERA: John Biguenet hopes the rest of the country will hear these calls for help and understand that hundreds of thousands of people are still left in the dark, and a lot of help is still needed to make it shine again.

Ed Lavandera, CNN, New Orleans.
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#54 Postby Sean in New Orleans » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:26 am

To me, it depends on where you fixate...you can fixate on the destructive side, which we all know is there, or one can fixate on the 1 million + that have returned to Metro New Orleans to resume their lives and do what they can to bring this city back. We all know that it's a tough task and will take time, but, no one around New Orleans is sitting around staring at the dead side of town. We are working on cleaning it up every day...literally 1000's are working in this area every day restoring this city to it's majesty and it appears it will return without the crime we all knew in New Orleans' past. We will be back bigger and better, and I'm convinced the Miss. Gulf Coast will, as well. We just have our work cut out for us, and, as previously stated, I have absolutely no doubts that we are up to the task here in New Orleans. Major federal help won't pour in until next Spring and clearly visible recovery won't be evident until then, either. The flooded areas are still having the infrastructure rebuilt and that isn't expected to be complete until March. Many infrastructure issues are still being planned, such as repaving and widening all interstates in New Orleans, elevating the interstate in New Orleans East, construction of a new interstate from Orleans Parish to Violet, LA in St. Bernard Parish, completion of construction of I-12 from New Orleans to Lafayette, and of course, the biggy...the new outer circular category 5 concrete and steel flood wall that will be constructed from Morgan City, hugging Louisianas' coast and recurving back upward to the MS/LA state line....
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#55 Postby Sean in New Orleans » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:31 am

And regarding Mardi Gras, the subject of this thread...it's going to happen, it will be beautiful, will be emotional (in a great way) for all, and will be the first real, signal to the rest of the world that New Orleans is here, will persevere, and is still the fabulous place that just about everybody loves deep in their soul (esp. for those that have been here).
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#56 Postby sunny » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:12 pm

Zulu may not roll if city doesn't let Krewe parade along traditional route

10:37 AM CST on Monday, December 5, 2005
Ben Lemoine / WWL-TV Reporter

One of the oldest carnival krewes in the city has decided it will parade this Mardi Gras, even after the majority of its members were displaced by Katrina.

But Zulu officials said the decision is far from final and they may have a battle with City Hall before they know for sure.

For the past 90 years, only two World Wars and a police strike could keep the Krewe of Zulu off the streets of New Orleans on Fat Tuesday. This year, it may be the streets themselves that bring the tradition to a grinding halt.

In the city's scaled back Mardi Gras effort that would maximize the placement of police officers and travel a route safe from debris, all krewes would basically go from St. Charles at Napoleon Ave. to Canal St. and then to the Convention Center. But Zulu's traditional route went down Claiborne and Jackson Ave. and onto Orleans and Galvez St.

City officials have said they do not have enough money to stage police along the traditional, longer routes, and some of those areas could be dangerous because of storm debris.

Zulu krewe officials said eliminating those areas is a deal breaker.

“That's the stipulation that we made; that we're going to parade, but it must be on our traditional route. Which we know goes contrary to what's been approved by the city,” said krewe spokesman Charles Hamilton.

For the krewe, whose den was destroyed by floodwater and most members scattered around the country, it came down to a vote Sunday night.

"Obviously the biggest factor is financial. I mean, we're dealing with folks who have lost everything, 80% of our club has been impacted as a result of the storm,” said Naaman Stuart. So it's difficult to ask a guy to choose between Mardi Gras and repairing his home.”

At a town hall meeting in Atlanta Saturday, Mayor Nagin had a difficult time defending the decision of other city leaders to go ahead with Mardi Gras in such turbulent times.

"They are of the mindset that if we have a Mardi Gras, things are going to be okay. I argued against it,” Nagin said.

But the argument made by some was that Mardi Gras will bring a much needed morale boost. For Zulu, it all depends on a discussion with city officials and krewe officials said they may sit this Carnival season out if they can't do it the way they always have.

"If there's no discussion, then we won't ride; it's just how it has to be,” Hamilton said.

Zulu members plan to request a route change some time this week.
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#57 Postby CajunMama » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:51 pm

If Zulu can't play by the rules, let them take their parade and go home :lol: I can't believe that a group would act like this in the face of what has happened to their city. You'd think that they'd be more than willing to compromise if they want to participate in mardi gras.
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#58 Postby MGC » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:59 pm

I watch WVUE news every night when I get home from work. I have not been to New Orleans yet but plan on going soon. From what I understand from watching the news and talking with my brother, NO East, the upper and lower 9th wards, Lakeview and St. Bernard are pretty much uninhabitable currently. So, that leaves the Westbank, Jefferson, the Nothshore along with uptown as livable in the greater New Orleans area. Metro New Orleans had a population of about 1.25 million prior to Katrina. How many have been displaced since Katrina? 350 to 400 thousand? Most of those were poor people with little economic impact on the economy of the city. Sure the economies of St Bernard and Orleans Parish are trashed. I was at the mall in Slidell the other day and it looked like business as usual. From what I saw on TV Lakeside Mall looked like it had a good holiday crowd shopping. In the short term there is the catch-22 problem Sunny described. It will take time for Orleans and St Bernard Parishes to rebound. I would not be surprised if at least 250,000 people don't come back to NO. But, these are people that contributed little to the economy. They have found better lives elsewhere and NO is better off without them. NO East will be like Jefferson Parish in the late 50's and early 60's when that area was developed. People will move back neighborhood by neighborhood as the homes are rebuild. At least NO is not facing the problems we have over here. Nothing is left in many places. At least in NO the homes can be quickly repaired, here we must build from the ground up.......MGC
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