I fail to understand peoples logic against

[quandary]

Ask the people in New Orleans if the Earth was knocked out of balance when Katrina hit? Also, in Cutler Ridge down near Miami when Andrew hit Aug. 24th 1992. Heck ask me I was there when Andrews eye came.

So? The argument here is that you cannot change it. Perhaps it will be possible to carefully move a future "Katrina" so that it doesn't hit directly on New Orleans. However, that will have to be a very precise and minute process. However, if you remove all the Katrinas and Wilmas and Ritas and other significant storms, you will create a backup of heat. Huge changes, such as changes to huge storms like these hurricanes (or a number of them) cause huge variations that could easily be devastating. Removing an asteroid, which allows life to maintain its status quo is a very different story.

[JamesFromMaine2]

So, the cost (both financial and natural) would massively outweigh any imagined benefit from the idea?

That is his cost not mine. Mine Is ten billion.

Ok Cyclone how would you do it with ten billion when the metal alone is like 50 times that?

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

even if it did pay for it self after 5 years you would still need the money before you could build it so it may pay for it self in the long term but not in the short term

[James]

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

That did not answer the question at all. Why? Because you can't.

So you don't think the tunnels can generate electricity at all?

FOrgive me, I might have missed this somewhere, but how do you intend to make the pipes generate electricity? Is it just me being a bit slow?

[DoctorHurricane2003]

Also, lol at power lines coming out of the Gulf of Mexico

[quandary]

So, the cost (both financial and natural) would massively outweigh any imagined benefit from the idea?

That is his cost not mine. Mine Is ten billion.

Ok Cyclone how would you do it with ten billion when the metal alone is like 50 times that?

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

Well, that's with a cost of 10 billion, not a cost of 75 trillion. How did you come up with your number? AirForceMet is respected for his data. Otherwise, it'd take 7500 many more years to pay for it. This is the United States' entire economy for about 4 years.

[JamesFromMaine2]

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

That did not answer the question at all. Why? Because you can't.

So you don't think the tunnels can generate electricity at all?

FOrgive me, I might have missed this somewhere, but how do you intend to make the pipes generate electricity? Is it just me being a bit slow?

the water moving through the tunnels could be used to create Hydroelectricty but once again like I have said you would need all the money before you started building it and it would take way to much money to build something like that.

[cyclonekiller]

As much as I don't want to feed the troll, remember...water is being pumped into this....something has to provide for that electricity, right? Water doesn't pump itself.

I'm just waiting for this guy's lollercoaster of a 'solar shade theory' to weaken hurricanes to pop up.

Actually the Earth is the pump. Think of it as a giant impeller rotating causing the gulfstream current. With out the current the idea fails since no differential pressure is created across the tunnel.

[quandary]

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

That did not answer the question at all. Why? Because you can't.

So you don't think the tunnels can generate electricity at all?

If they did generate electricity, you would have to move it around. If you stretched the wires across the Gulf of Mexico, they would have to have extremely low resistance or they would dissipate all that energy into the atmosphere. That could drive a hurricane by itself. If the resistance is so low, the wires will likely be very expensive. Another thing you will have to do is decrease the current and increase the voltage; however, that would mean that you are running megavolts across a body of water. Danger there? Yeah, probably. The current would still be immense, so now you have a huge magnetic field running over hundreds of miles. You might be able to catch a few aliens spaceships with this idea....

[Air Force Met]

Actually the Earth is the pump. Think of it as a giant impeller rotating causing the gulfstream current. With out the current the idea fails since no differential pressure is created across the tunnel.

Hey...here's a concept...answer the questions you've been asked over and over again but keep dodging (this is the fifth time).

1) You finally answered this one.

2) You said there would be no harm to marine life in the Gulf, since the Gulf temps in winter were already used to being in the low 70's. I made the statement that since you wanted to lower summer time Gulf temps into the mid 70's that this would mean wintertime gulf temps would then be lowered into the upper 50's to low 60's. What will the impacts on marine life be in the Gulf when water temps are lowered to that level (since the only reason winter temps are in the low 70's is because summer temps are in the mid 80's).

3) Who is going to pay for the $35+ trillion dollars it would take to do this project? This is 35 trillion in materials alone for the gulf alone. Add labor.

4) Since the Gulf temps would be lowered year around, this would mean more heat in the tropics and less heat transported to the mid-lats...thus a greater temp difference...which is the key ingredient for severe weather. Add to this a plan for the Gulf stream and you also icrease this temp contrast for Europe. The question is: What will happen to winters north of 35N and what will happen to the severe weather season given the fact the jet stream energy will increase and the temp delta will also increase (meaning parameters for summer and winter severe weather will increase)?

5) In lowering the Gulf Stream Temperature and the loop current temp, what will be the net result on the THC? and how will this effect European Winters?

[quandary]

As much as I don't want to feed the troll, remember...water is being pumped into this....something has to provide for that electricity, right? Water doesn't pump itself.

I'm just waiting for this guy's lollercoaster of a 'solar shade theory' to weaken hurricanes to pop up.

Actually the Earth is the pump. Think of it as a giant impeller rotating causing the gulfstream current. With out the current the idea fails since no differential pressure is created across the tunnel.

And i'm going to say that's the only thing that you've ever manage to argue with some semblance of success. Give up this idea. You don't have any backup. If you think this idea is so great, draw up the plans and give it to some company or politician. If it will pay for itself, the company will do it. If it is actually financially sound and helpful, the politician will be much more amenable to it. clearly, since you are sitting here and arguing it with us, your plan does not have a chance of working.

[cyclonekiller]

Well actually the tunnels pay for themselves after five years since they generate 75,000 MWs of electricity for 22,000,000 people,also.

That did not answer the question at all. Why? Because you can't.

So you don't think the tunnels can generate electricity at all?

If they did generate electricity, you would have to move it around. If you stretched the wires across the Gulf of Mexico, they would have to have extremely low resistance or they would dissipate all that energy into the atmosphere. That could drive a hurricane by itself. If the resistance is so low, the wires will likely be very expensive. Another thing you will have to do is decrease the current and increase the voltage; however, that would mean that you are running megavolts across a body of water. Danger there? Yeah, probably. The current would still be immense, so now you have a huge magnetic field running over hundreds of miles. You might be able to catch a few aliens spaceships with this idea....

There is new technology where electricity can be microwave beamed to locations without wires.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

oh goody, microwaves

[quandary]

Hmm... convincing the government to pay for microwave technology and enough satellites to provide 20 million people with power that way. Yeah. That's going to work. And how much is this going to cost? You can't pump that much energy into a satellite at one time or it will overheat. That's a simple property of currents and energy dissipation.

The government doesn't want to invest in solar power. What makes you think that it'll spend billions (or trillions) to launch those satellites and build those power stations needed to transport microwave power. What happens when a microwave beam misses? (anyone remember playing SimCity?). What happens when a satellite fails and 5 million people lose power for a week? Where are you going to find these floating platforms to shoot power up into space in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico? Um... do you realize how much these things cost? That would be like several dozen oil rigs placed there that don't generate oil income immediately.

[cyclonekiller]

Hmm... convincing the government to pay for microwave technology and enough satellites to provide 20 million people with power that way. Yeah. That's going to work. And how much is this going to cost? You can't pump that much energy into a satellite at one time or it will overheat. That's a simple property of currents and energy dissipation.

The government doesn't want to invest in solar power. What makes you think that it'll spend billions (or trillions) to launch those satellites and build those power stations needed to transport microwave power. What happens when a microwave beam misses? (anyone remember playing SimCity?). What happens when a satellite fails and 5 million people lose power for a week? Where are you going to find these floating platforms to shoot power up into space in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico? Um... do you realize how much these things cost? That would be like several dozen oil rigs placed there that don't generate oil income immediately.

[cyclonekiller]

Hmm... convincing the government to pay for microwave technology and enough satellites to provide 20 million people with power that way. Yeah. That's going to work. And how much is this going to cost? You can't pump that much energy into a satellite at one time or it will overheat. That's a simple property of currents and energy dissipation.

The government doesn't want to invest in solar power. What makes you think that it'll spend billions (or trillions) to launch those satellites and build those power stations needed to transport microwave power. What happens when a microwave beam misses? (anyone remember playing SimCity?). What happens when a satellite fails and 5 million people lose power for a week? Where are you going to find these floating platforms to shoot power up into space in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico? Um... do you realize how much these things cost? That would be like several dozen oil rigs placed there that don't generate oil income immediately.

http://www.firstscience.com/site/articles/solar.asp

Since the gulf stream is only 1 mile from shore at certain points you could beam it directly to land.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

?

Was there suppose to be a response there?

I'm guessing not.

EDIT: even though this was meant for the post prior to last, I'm going to leave it here.

[Dr. Jonah Rainwater]

The summer of 1999 saw New Jersey and much of the Mid-Atlantic gripped in one of the worst droughts ever recorded. The mighty Great Falls of the Passaic River in Paterson had been reduced to a mere trickle. Wildfires burned out of control in the Pinelands, burn bans were in effect, nobody watered their grass, and reservoirs and lakes had dropped to record lows. In one horrific hurricane named Floyd, rainfall amounts were measured in feet in some areas of New Jersey. 5 New Jerseyans lost their lives in the flooding, which was of an epic, record-breaking scale. The drought ended in one day.