Hurricane modification?

[brunota2003]

scratch that, at LEAST 1/2 a mile long...

[DoctorHurricane2003]

Crystal Ball, imo

[Air Force Met]

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

100M=328'

Now...good point on the current. Imagine the pressure of a 4 knot current on a 200' diamter pipe that hundreds of feet long...and imagine the amount of mooring you will need to keep it anchored at both ends.

[brunota2003]

Have you ever heard of upwelling? I would suggest you research it, it can often pull up water from more than 200ft down.

Sure it is what gave me the idea. Hurricanes do it.

check my other post, oh, your "up-welling" wont be big enough as it is, you would need to cover an area at least 500 miles by 500 miles given the 3 day track error...

[WindRunner]

Hey cyclonekiller...

HEY CYCLONEKILLER...

You ALSO never answer the question of how we come up with the 8 day forecast for a hurricane (imagine that)? Especially given the fact that the average storm lasts less than 8 days?

Also...seeing how will only want to do this for major storms...and we won't really know when a major will form...when do we "turn it on?" Everytime one forms?

Just every invest should be often enough. What's that, about 40-50 times a season? Not too often.

[cyclonekiller]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

[brunota2003]

ok guys, I finally decided to go to the NHC FAQ's, and guess what I found, not exactly what he is doing, but close enough IMO: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5e.html

[WindRunner]

Have you ever heard of upwelling? I would suggest you research it, it can often pull up water from more than 200ft down.

Sure it is what gave me the idea. Hurricanes do it.

check my other post, oh, your "up-welling" wont be big enough as it is, you would need to cover an area at least 500 miles by 500 miles given the 3 day track error...

So now we need a bigger area, which will require more time, which will require a longer forecast, allowing for more error room, requiring a bigger area, which will require more time, . . . no.

[Air Force Met]

Have you ever heard of upwelling? I would suggest you research it, it can often pull up water from more than 200ft down.

Sure it is what gave me the idea. Hurricanes do it.

check my other post, oh, your "up-welling" wont be big enough as it is, you would need to cover an area at least 500 miles by 500 miles given the 3 day track error...

And hey...we've completely forgotten about his other idea about the Gulf of Mexico. The gulfstream was just one idea.

[cyclonekiller]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

You build them on land then transport them into place then anchor them to the sea floor.

I already did all that homework you metion above with direct communication with the hurricane center years ago.

[WindRunner]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

You build them on land then transport them into place then anchor them to the sea floor.

I already did all that homework you metion above with direct communication with the hurricane center years ago.

Great, but anchor with what? And where will that come from, what will it be made of, how much will it cost, how long will it take to make, and what laws of physics will it need to break in order to work?

[DoctorHurricane2003]

Apparently they got your message and immediately dismissed the idea, cause they talk about that on their website. Since you are posting your arguments/trolling on every internet weather message board instead of actually working on this project, I'm going to say that yes, indeed, the NHC laughed at you.

[brunota2003]

ok, the pressure at the depths you will be mounting these will be tremendes, let alone any pressure the current will put on it... How will you secure it, we dont have anything that could stand up to that kind of tourcher...

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

The Gulf Stream transport varies not only in space, but also in time. According to Geosat altimetry results, the current transports a maximum amount of water in the fall and a minimum in the spring, in phase with the north-south shifts of the its position (Kelly and Gille 1990; Zlotnicki 1991; Kelly 1991; Hogg and Johns 1995). Rossby and Rago (1985) and Fu et al. (1987) obtained similar results when they looked at sea level differences across the Stream. All of these studies found that the Gulf Stream has a marked seasonal variability, with peak-to-peak amplitude in sea surface height of 10-15 cm. The fluctuation is mostly confined to the upper 200-300 m of the water column and is a result of seasonal heating and expansion of the surface waters (Hogg and Johns 1995). Height differences this small, if assumed to decay linearly to zero at 300 m, would only result in annual transport fluctuations of about 1.5 Sv (Hogg and Johns 1995).

Ok, 100 meters equals roughly 250 or so feet, these pipes would be about a 1/4 of a mile long, and huge, now, this is getting interesting...How are you going to carry all this??? The current would just carry you and your pipes along with it...

You build them on land then transport them into place then anchor them to the sea floor.

I already did all that homework you metion above with direct communication with the hurricane center years ago.

???

[cyclonekiller]

ok, the pressure at the depths you will be mounting these will be tremendes, let alone any pressure the current will put on it... How will you secure it, we dont have anything that could stand up to that kind of tourcher...

How do they secure oil wells in the Gulf?

[Air Force Met]

You build them on land then transport them into place then anchor them to the sea floor.

I already did all that homework you metion above with direct communication with the hurricane center years ago.

Sure you did. We believe you. That's why the HRD has an article talking about how foolish the idea is and why you can't get your math right.

So tell me...what sort of transport vessel did you propose to use to transport a 200'x50'x700' tube to the NHC? And what pray-tell did they say?

And what was their response to the 8 day track question?

[DoctorHurricane2003]

SPACESHIPS AND ALIENS, imo AFM

[Air Force Met]

Apparently they got your message and immediately dismissed the idea, cause they talk about that on their website. Since you are posting your arguments/trolling on every internet weather message board instead of actually working on this project, I'm going to say that yes, indeed, the NHC laughed at you.

Yeah...just like every message board.

[MiamiensisWx]

Why not just IGNORE?

Wow, what an exotic idea!

[brunota2003]

ok, the pressure at the depths you will be mounting these will be tremendes, let alone any pressure the current will put on it... How will you secure it, we dont have anything that could stand up to that kind of tourcher...

How do they secure oil wells in the Gulf?

ok, you got me on that one, it was more towards the gulf stream part... and we dont have oil wells in the gulf stream...and how do you transport this HUGUNDO set of complex pipes???