Solar shield Idea to modify hurricanes or tornado's

[cyclonekiller]

How about placing one at the L1 point to see what happpens?

[vbhoutex]

How about getting realistic? Your ideas would only wreck the balance of nature and probably would destroy much more than they would save as nature tries to naturally balance itself.

[cyclonekiller]

How about getting realistic? Your ideas would only wreck the balance of nature and probably would destroy much more than they would save as nature tries to naturally balance itself.

I agree with that it wants to but fails because of our intervention.

[cycloneye]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

[cyclonekiller]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

[WindRunner]

Must we start again? . . .


What would it be made of? How would we get it up there? How much would it cost? Have you considered how much it would change the climate below? How big would it be? Would this one get turned on and off? How is it going to stay there? Just a start . . .

[WindRunner]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

And what is "already happening"? Not global warming, we asked you to prove that last night, and you couldn't.

[cyclonekiller]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

And what is "already happening"? Not global warming, we asked you to prove that last night, and you couldn't.

Perhaps this past hurricane season is the proof.Can you prove it isn't.

[Air Force Met]

How about placing one at the L1 point to see what happpens?

OK...we can discuss this.

But first...before we do...I want to see a total proposal from you.

1) What will it be made of? How many will be needed?
2) What will it's size be? Weight?
3) How much sunlight will it diminish (in millilux). A typical summer day in the tropics produces 103,599,456 mlux of solar insolation. How much mlux will your shield decrease that by, over what areas, and what will be the environmental impact? Provide data to support this.
4) What will be the environmental impact to marine life who thrive on microroganisms which are produced because of exposure to 103.6 m mlux? and how do you plan to counter the deficit? Provide data to support this.
5) What are the long term impacts of decreasing solar insolation to the earths surface? Provide data to support this.
6) Provide a DETAILED cost analysis, including labor, as to how much this will cost. I suggust you go with the ESA for launching from French Guiana. It's a little cheaper.

So, yes we can discuss this and it will be interesting. However, to avoid all the back and forth like last time, if you will provide the above mentioned requirements...that will have to be thought of before any idea is to be taken seriously...we can talk about it.

If you don't want to take the time to answer those questions seriously and BACK UP YOU ANSWERS WITH COLD HARD DATA AND FACTS (AND NUMBERS).....

....Don't waste our time.


Does that sound reasonable to everyone?

[cyclonekiller]

How about placing one at the L1 point to see what happpens?

OK...we can discuss this.

But first...before we do...I want to see a total proposal from you.

1) What will it be made of? How many will be needed?
2) What will it's size be? Weight?
3) How much sunlight will it diminish (in millilux). A typical summer day in the tropics produces 103,599,456 mlux of solar insolation. How much mlux will your shield decrease that by, over what areas, and what will be the environmental impact? Provide data to support this.
4) What will be the environmental impact to marine life who thrive on microroganisms which are produced because of exposure to 103.6 m mlux? and how do you plan to counter the deficit? Provide data to support this.
5) What are the long term impacts of decreasing solar insolation to the earths surface? Provide data to support this.
6) Provide a DETAILED cost analysis, including labor, as to how much this will cost. I suggust you go with the ESA for launching from French Guiana. It's a little cheaper.

So, yes we can discuss this and it will be interesting. However, to avoid all the back and forth like last time, if you will provide the above mentioned requirements...that will have to be thought of before any idea is to be taken seriously...we can talk about it.

If you don't want to take the time to answer those questions seriously and BACK UP YOU ANSWERS WITH COLD HARD DATA AND FACTS (AND NUMBERS).....

....Don't waster our time.


Does that sound reasonable to everyone?

Lets do an experimental one first lets say one mile square.

[WindRunner]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

And what is "already happening"? Not global warming, we asked you to prove that last night, and you couldn't.

Perhaps this past hurricane season is the proof.Can you prove it isn't.

Let's not get started on a global warming debate, as that is off topic. Multidecadal cycles are the reason for this season, and we'll leave it at that. Anyway, since this is your idea, you will need to convince people about all aspects of it, and apparently global warming is one of them (I must assume so since you really didn't answer my question).

[Air Force Met]

Perhaps this past hurricane season is the proof.Can you prove it isn't.

Uhh...yes. Because Dr. Gray has said as such and I would stack his expertise against yours. Overall tropical activity is DOWN across the globe. If it is GLOBAL warming...shouldn't it be up? Explain it.

And...LSU researchers have determined that we are at the end of a 700 down cycle (part of a 1500 total cycle) in tropical activity. In other words, Atlantic tropical activity was much higher 700 years ago than it is now. It has been DECREASING for 700 years. Exaplain that.

You can't. I guess when we have an El Nino year and get 8 storms you'll think it's global cooling.

[Air Force Met]

Lets do an experimental one first lets say one mile square.

NO...YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN. Answer all of them...not one of them like you ALWAYS DO.

You come back here with a proposal that answers the questions and we can talk about this...otherwise drop it. Heck...I'll ask for a lock myself. Why? Because you have no real answers and YOU know it...I just want o make sure everyone ELSE knows it.

Answer all those questions. You want to make a proposal? That's what making a proposal entails...answering those questions. Now do it or leave.

[P.K.]

3) How much sunlight will it diminish (in millilux). A typical summer day in the tropics produces 103,599,456 mlux of solar insolation.

Personally I'd use Wm^2.

[cyclonekiller]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

And what is "already happening"? Not global warming, we asked you to prove that last night, and you couldn't.

Perhaps this past hurricane season is the proof.Can you prove it isn't.

Let's not get started on a global warming debate, as that is off topic. Multidecadal cycles are the reason for this season, and we'll leave it at that. Anyway, since this is your idea, you will need to convince people about all aspects of it, and apparently global warming is one of them (I must assume so since you really didn't answer my question).

I don't think it is off topic because it is the topic that made me think of ways to counter it. It is out there otherwise we would never of heard of it.

6 years ago I told HRD that in twenty years we will have more frequent storms so powerfull because of warming SSTs that no one would believe it. Wait another 15 years when a billion more people own cars and get electricity. You think it is bad now. Just wait. Boy was I wrong it happened first with Mitch then Wilma. Will next years record storm hit Miami? Who knows but one day soon it will happen. You have been warned and to do nothing is negligence, borderline murder with malice and forethought.

[DESTRUCTION5]

Lets do an experimental one first lets say one mile square.

NO...YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN. Answer all of them...not one of them like you ALWAYS DO.

You come back here with a proposal that answers the questions and we can talk about this...otherwise drop it. Heck...I'll ask for a lock myself. Why? Because you have no real answers and YOU know it...I just want o make sure everyone ELSE knows it.

Answer all those questions. You want to make a proposal? That's what making a proposal entails...answering those questions. Now do it or leave.

LOL..Man I bet your kids don't get away with Sh1t...

[Air Force Met]

3) How much sunlight will it diminish (in millilux). A typical summer day in the tropics produces 103,599,456 mlux of solar insolation.

Personally I'd use Wm^2.

Thought I'd dumb it down some.

[cyclonekiller]

Lets do an experimental one first lets say one mile square.

NO...YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN. Answer all of them...not one of them like you ALWAYS DO.

You come back here with a proposal that answers the questions and we can talk about this...otherwise drop it. Heck...I'll ask for a lock myself. Why? Because you have no real answers and YOU know it...I just want o make sure everyone ELSE knows it.

Answer all those questions. You want to make a proposal? That's what making a proposal entails...answering those questions. Now do it or leave.

LOL..Man I bet your kids don't get away with Sh1t...

Man you can't do everything at once like this guy wants it is an idea and you have to build on it. I tell you what AFM you do it.Here is is another hint yes it can be turned on or off like a light switch by stowing it away on the verticle towards the sunlight.

[WindRunner]

Didn't we discuss about this yesterday at great lengh going back anf forth and in circules? And now you make another thread about the same alleged thing? You can expect more antitunnel reaction.

I understand that but something has to done to counter all these greenhouse gasses we are emitting to our atmosphere. If we just sit on our hands it will just get worse and who knows all these things they say are bad about my ideas and what will happen is already happening.

And what is "already happening"? Not global warming, we asked you to prove that last night, and you couldn't.

Perhaps this past hurricane season is the proof.Can you prove it isn't.

Let's not get started on a global warming debate, as that is off topic. Multidecadal cycles are the reason for this season, and we'll leave it at that. Anyway, since this is your idea, you will need to convince people about all aspects of it, and apparently global warming is one of them (I must assume so since you really didn't answer my question).

I don't think it is off topic because it is the topic that made me think of ways to counter it. It is out there otherwise we would never of heard of it.

6 years ago I told HRD that in twenty years we will have more frequent storms so powerfull because of warming SSTs that no one would believe it. Wait another 15 years when a billion more people own cars and get electricity. You think it is bad now. Just wait. Boy was I wrong it happened first with Mitch then Wilma. Will next years record storm hit Miami? Who knows but one day soon it will happen. You have been warned and to do nothing is negligence, borderline murder with malice and forethought.

Ummm, Mitch was more than 6 years ago, and therefore happened before your communications. Also, 6+15 =21, not 20.

And it's off topic in this thread because this is a thread about a solar shield stopping tropcial creations, not about whether global warming is occuring. If you want to discuss that as well, start a new thread. If you do it here, the mods will just lock it up.

[WindRunner]

Man you can't do everything at once like this guy wants it is an idea and you have to build on it. I tell you what AFM you do it.Here is is another hint yes it can be turned on or off like a light switch by stowing it away on the verticle towards the sunlight.

Yeah, umm, that doesn't work. A wall is vertical (which is what you would create by vertical stacking), but it still has a shadow the vast majority of the time. You know why? Because the sun isn't always directly above your target zone. By the way, what region would you want to cover with this shield?