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#21 Postby mike815 » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:22 pm

yes it would
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#22 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:22 pm

Iran's Ahmadinejad says Bush, Merkel must be prosecuted for defending Israel

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 14 – Iran’s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defended on Saturday his previous comments calling for the destruction of Israel and rejected criticism from Unites States President George W. Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel on the issue.

In several demagogic speeches since his taking office last year, Ahmadinejad had claimed that the Holocaust was a “myth” and declared that the Jewish state had to be “wiped off the map”. Iran was twice censured at the United Nations Security Council for the president’s comments.

In a joint conference at the White House on Friday, Bush and Merkel condemned the Iranian president’s remarks.

In his first press conference since taking office, which was broadcasted live on state television, Ahmadinejad defended his statements and said that the U.S. was seeking to “wipe Palestine off the map”. “But you will not be able to”, Ahmadinejad insisted.

“If we look at a map from seventy years ago, we will see that Israel never existed”.

Asked about the U.S. and German leaders’ positions, the Revolutionary Guards commander-turned-President said, “Everyone is free to make comments, but I ask this: are these two individuals supporters of Israel or not? If they are then they are also liable for their crimes”.

He said that those who support Israel must be prosecuted for war crimes, so “these people better watch what they say”.


http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/a ... oryid=5310

This guy is dead serious. :grrr:
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#23 Postby Terrell » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:51 pm

The Iranian president is lying if he says they need nuclear energy, given they have oil. The real reason they want nukes is to lob them at Tel Aviv and other cities in Israel. Too bad we wasted time, lives, and resources going after the wrong country in the "Axis of Evil".
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#24 Postby mike815 » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:00 pm

good point this guy really means busness unlike others we have delt with
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#25 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:26 am

Iran issues stark warning on oil price

War of words over trade sanctions

Robert Tait in Tehran
Monday January 16, 2006
The Guardian


Iran stepped up its defiance of international pressure over its nuclear programme yesterday by warning of soaring oil prices if it is subjected to economic sanctions. As diplomats from the US, Europe, Russia, and China prepared to meet today in London to discuss referring Tehran to the UN security council, Iran's economy minister, Davoud Danesh-Jafari, said the country's position as the world's fourth-largest oil producer meant such action would have grave consequences.

"Any possible sanctions from the west could possibly, by disturbing Iran's political and economic situation, raise oil prices beyond levels the west expects," he told Iranian state radio.
In a provocative move, Iran also announced plans yesterday to convene a "scientific" conference to examine the evidence supporting the Holocaust. The news comes weeks after President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad provoked a global outcry by describing the slaughter of 6 million Jews by the Nazis in the second world war as a "myth".

Mr Danesh-Jafari's comments echoed fears voiced by energy market analysts after crude oil prices last week rose above $64 (£36.50) a barrel as hopes faded of a diplomatic solution to the dispute.

Last week, Manouchehr Takin, of the Centre for Global Energy Studies, argued that crude prices could hit $100 a barrel if Iran stopped exporting. "Supply and demand are very tightly balanced," he said.

Mr Danesh-Jafari's warning added weight to veiled threats by Iran's president on Saturday. Iran had a "cheap means" of achieving its nuclear "rights", Mr Ahmadinejad said, adding: "You [the west] need us more than we need you. All of you today need the Iranian nation."

Recognising the danger, Gernot Erler, Germany's deputy foreign minister, said yesterday: "We are seeing desperate measures by Asian countries, mainly China, India and others, to get hold of energy resources, and for them Iran is a partner they can't do without." He said it was "dangerous" to put restrictions on trade relations "which could hurt one's own side more than the other side".

Iran's Islamic leaders insist that they want nuclear technology to satisfy its energy needs. The west suspects the intention is to produce a nuclear weapon.

But even amid the continuing rancour, some Iranian officials appeared to soften the bellicose stance. Calling for a return to negotiations, foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki accused the west of over-reacting to Tehran's decision last week to remove UN seals and resume research at a nuclear plant in Natan, when Britain, France and Germany formally abandoned 2½ years of talks and demanded Iran's referral to the UN security council.

Although Britain has ruled out military moves against Iran, two American senators yesterday said the US might undertake a strike of "last resort" to prevent Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. The Republican John McCain told CBS: "Everything else has to be exhausted, but to say under no circumstances would we exercise a military option would be crazy." Democrat Evan Bayh urged diplomacy, but said there were elements of Iran's nuclear programme which, if attacked, "would dramatically delay its development".

White House spokesman David Almacy said: "The international community is determined not to let Iran develop a nuclear weapon. How we address that regime's continued non-compliance will be decided in the days and weeks ahead."

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Ummm the oil is the biggest arm that they have to cause harm to the U.S in the form of very high oil prices and that could cripple the economy.
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#26 Postby beachbum_al » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:02 am

It would not shock me if gas prices go up. In the last week they have been slowly creeping up each day. I guess it is time I get a more gas efficient car to drive to work and stay at home when I can.
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#27 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:44 pm

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran on Monday banned CNN journalists from working there after the broadcaster misquoted President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying Tehran wanted nuclear weapons.

CNN's simultaneous translation of Ahmadinejad's lengthy news conference on Saturday included the phrase "the use of nuclear weapons is Iran's right".

In fact, what the Iranian president said was that "Iran has the right to nuclear energy," the official IRNA news agency reported. CNN later clarified in an apology on Sunday night.

Iran denies any intention of seeking nuclear weapons, saying it wants atomic technology merely for the generation of electricity.

Mohammad Hossein Khoshvaght, director of foreign media at Iran's Culture and Islamic Guidance Ministry, welcomed CNN's apology.

"But so far it's not clear whether it was something pre-planned or a mistake," he told state television. "Therefore, we will ban its activities (in Iran) for the timebeing."

He said a restoration of CNN's right to work in Iran would depend on an assessment of the broadcaster's future coverage of the Islamic state.

CNN does not have a permanent bureau in Iran but a local journalist is a contributor to the network and visiting correspondents are occasionally given permission to enter the country on short assignments.

The ban came as CNN's Iranian-born chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour was in Iran to report on the nuclear issue.



Above is why Iran Banned CNN from reporting from their countrie.
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#28 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:52 pm

LONDON, England (CNN) -- A possible referrral of Iran to the U.N. Security Council over the resumption of its nuclear research program has moved closer after Britain, France, Germany said they will call for an emergency meeting of the U.N. nuclear watchdog.

Britain, France, and Germany -- the "EU3" -- said last week that they wanted the International Atomic Energy Agency to take up the issue. The IAEA can then forward the dispute to the U.N. Security Council.


http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast ... index.html

Above is the unity shown at the meeting on monday of the countries,UK,U.S,France,Germany,Russia and China.Russia and China are oppossed to sanctions to Iran as they are parteners in the economic front.
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#29 Postby beachbum_al » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:05 pm

Here is one for the Iran Pres :chopper: :blowup: :Pick: :itshim: :double: :18:
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#30 Postby Terrell » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:53 pm

Iran with nukes is a major problem. Given this country's stated purpose of the destruction of another country, we cannot allow them to have nuclear anything. They don't want peaceful nuclear power, the Russians offered to do the required work for them to enrich Uranium for peaceful purposes, Iran refused the offer. I think it's reasonable to think that what they really want isn't peaceful nuclear energy but nuclear weapons to use on Israel.
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#31 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:10 am

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#32 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:35 am

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast ... index.html

Russia and China oppose UN sanctions to Iran while the U.S,UK,France and Germany favor them.
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#33 Postby canegrl04 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:25 am

This is a scary situation we are confronted with.The scariest since the Cuban missile crisis. What really frightens me is the alignments emerging. Russia/China/Iran vs US/Israel/some in Europe. If a war results ,I see Israel,US,and GB taking military action against Iran,and I would not rule out China and Russia taking sides with Iran. BTW, its been reported that Iran's leader is meeting with the leader of Syria,another country we have our sights on :(

Regarding the lifted ban on CNN,you suppose they have a motive for doing that?Like wanting the world to get a front row seat to an impending war? :eek:
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#34 Postby kevin » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:23 am

No. Please do not worry canegrl04, while it might not mean anything since you have no way of telling if I am credible, I assure you that this conflict if it occurs will not leave the borders of Iran except in the form of Hezzbollah attacking northern Israel. It is in no way the scariest situation since the Cuban missile crisis. Yom Kippur War, our whole experience in Korea and Vietnam, were more frightening, and recently when Pakistan and India were at each other's throats the world was in more danger.

At worst, relations between Russia and America will cool. The world is interdependent. China and us will never come to blows as long as policy is decided rationally, until at the very least our debt is not supported by theirs and their economy is not based on selling us everything.

You see nations act in their national interest. You might hear that they act on principle, but no one in government believes this, no one can afford to follow that policy because the one thing that matters, the sole determiner of conduct on the international arena is interests. The interests of the Russians and Chinese are to check American power in their backyard, their interests do not include getting in a shooting war with the United States.

The meeting of Iran and Syria is natural because they are both regimes under pressure from the United States. They cooperate a good deal in the funding of hamas and hezbollah, both organizations labeled by our government and the Israelis as terrorist organizations. They are developing contingency plans in the event that they are attacked, because the West is not the only place in the world that makes policy in advance. We can absolutely win a conflict against Syria and Iran at the same time, even if chemical weapons are used.

These are complex things, and I hope maybe I've helped a bit.
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#35 Postby canegrl04 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:30 am

I hear ya kevin. I hope Russia and China are mindful of their dependence on the US. They also have great interest in Iran and I know they will never allow those interests to be thwated. As long as they stay out of a war,it won't result in nuclear holocaust,but it still will not be a pretty picture :(
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#36 Postby EDR1222 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:20 pm

cycloneye wrote:What I would like to see in Iran is a big movement of the people there against that regime to overthrow it.But I think I am dreaming too much.


Me too. The people of Iran have to be the ones to make the change. Russia and China are entitled to their positions, but at some point they probably ought to spend some time talking about what they are actually for and what they believe instead of spending all of their time talking about what they don't support or believe. Doesn't seem very productive.
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#37 Postby feederband » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:16 am

wxcrazytwo wrote:I think we should let him use nuclear for electricity. I mean what has he done that would lead us to believe he is lying. I don't think he has done anything to the contrary. Nothing in the news except some smoke blowing....


Nuclear energy while sitting on a sea of oil....hmmmm.
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#38 Postby LSU2001 » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:07 pm

Time to call up Duke Nukem :D :D :lol: :lol:
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#39 Postby gtalum » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:02 pm

canegrl04 wrote: I hope Russia and China are mindful of their dependence on the US.


I hate to break it to you, but we are much more dependent on China than they are on us. If they quit buying dollars, our economy will collapse. Who do you think funds our federal government's shameful deficits?
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#40 Postby kevin » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:28 pm

True gtalum, but if we fold so do their debts... so they have an interest to keeping us around. And we buy sooo much of their stuff.
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