Do You Know What It Means, To Miss New Orleans?

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Do You Know What It Means, To Miss New Orleans?

Yes, it was a beautiful City and I dearly hope she comes back to her former glory. Rebuild New Orleans!
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Yes, but there was so much crime, and other negatives, I don't miss it much.
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Yes, and while I miss it, time marches on; nature giveth and nature taketh away.
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No, never been there, never want to.
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No, but I sympathize with those that do.
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Do You Know What It Means, To Miss New Orleans?

#1 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:18 pm

I wrote this on another site over the holidays while I waxed nostalgic for my years of living in the "Crescent City." A friend of mine from Texas penned what are the very opening lines, (which only made me yearn moreso for the lost past) and I took it from there. It would be interesting to see what others think. I know, I'm an old fogey, and very much a romantic at heart; but I love that town, and perhaps/doubtless my nostalgia has blinded me to many of the negatives; but I still dearly hope some of the magic that was New Orleans will come back.




New Orleans, I still hear you singing:

New Orleans was more than beignets in the shadow of St. Louis Cathedral, more than a ride to Audubon Park on the St. Charles streetcar, more than the juxtaposition of tourist and resident, rich and poor. It was Spain in the Cabildo. It was France in the Vieux Carre. It was the Confederacy in the antebellum mansions lining River Road, with the silent shameful slaves' cabins stringing out behind, standing mutely outrageous among rows of beautiful live oak trees bedecked with Spanish moss.


It was more than its countless above the ground cemeteries ever reminding us of the high water table. It was more than a family outing on the neutral ground of St. Claude Avenue with friends and neighbors making a day of waiting for the first Okeanos parade of another Mardi Gras season. It was more than King Cake parties, and gumbo served with dirty rice and crawfish boils.

It was the New South in legends of jazz and Storyville and the original town that never slept. It was rows of Victorian style shotgun doubles; it was the luxuriance one felt standing over the hallway floor furnace on a cold winter's morn. It was immersing one's self richly, warmly, neck high in an old clawfoot bathtub. It was riding all day for a dime using several transfers on the Barracks, St. Claude to Refinery, Canal Street Cemeteries and Carrollton buslines. It was the old glass beads, the first Rex doubloon; It was the antitypical Southern city with a Brooklyn accent; it stood in a class by itself with cuisine that ranged from blue collar to purple mantle. The standard 9th ward fare being: Red beans and rice on a Monday. Cabbage and corn bread on a Tuesday. Mustard greens and fried pork chops on a Wednesday, and on a Thursday meatballs and spaghetti. Friday, you go with anything seafood. Saturday is potluck. Sunday is gumbo, mirliton, roast beef. It was a city where coffee wasn't the standard national brands; but where French Market, Community, and CDM, reigned supreme. It was coffee that was as black as the creosote on our telephone poles, and strong as John Henry.


It was marching in those parades, the Masqueraders Drum and Bugle Corps, with that motorcycle cop we knew was Chopsley, the Stardusters, the St. Bernard Delta Brass Band. It was theaters like the Pitt, the Famous, the Town, the Nola, and the Arabi; drive-ins like the St. Bernard, Skyvue, and Do. It was the original "House of Shock," later Morgus Presents--and Dr. Morgus, Eric, and Chopsley operating in their hilarious lab atop the "city icehouse."

It was the Frostop and Royal Castle; It was sitting on the front porch swing and talking with neighbors on those sultry summer nights. It was Martin Brother's "Potato" sandwich, and Mother's Roast Beef po-boys. It was Mr. Bingle and Maison Blanche,(with that absurd 7 storey tall Christmas tree), Sears with it's 5 storey Santa, D.H. Holmes and Godchaux's, and McCrory's, F. W. Woolworth, Canal Street's huge Coca Cola sign, the equally large Canadian Club neon greeting, and a soda at Katz and Besthoff. It was the only place that had the color K&B purple.

It was a ride on the top deck of the Canal St. ferry, gazing upon Ol' Man River's embrace of reflected city lights, and miles of wharfs. It was a dance and ride on the steamboat President. It was the oak draped canopy lining the streets of the Irish Channel. It was the ghosts who walked abroad at night in swirls of rain and Mississippi mist. It is the ghosts of the 9th Ward, the old Irish Channel, in the murdered hopes of those who loved her.

Do you know what it means, to miss New Orleans? Just ask any who called it home, and seen it since August 29th!

And yet it is ever my hope that like the bird for which a certain Arizona city is named, this Grand Dame of the Old South will rise from her ashes more glorious and resplendent than ever. She has survived the great fire of 1788, the fire and two hurricanes of 1794; She has survived the invasion of the British in the war of 1812, the Civil War, military occupation, and Reconstruction. She has survived countless bouts with Malaria and Yellow Fever epidemics, "Yellow Jack," and still she stood proudly ensconced in her famous "Crescent" that lends her its name. She has survived numerous catastrophic hurricanes: in 1831 the infamous "Last Isle" hurricane, and a dozen more in the 1800’s; the 1915 disaster, the 1927 hurricane and flood, that of 1947, Hilda in 1964, Betsy, the first "billion dollar" storm in 1965, and she will survive Katrina.

The true New Orleans Spirit isn’t one with hands out; but one with sleeves rolled up. The true New Orleans Spirit doesn’t allow trial to make it bitter; it only steels our resolve to make it better. This Grand Old Lady may, like Scarlett O' Hara, be forced to wear a dress made of curtains amid the ruin of her erstwhile grandeur; but she remains nestled still on the proud Isle of Orleans, the "pearl" of the South, and by no means is she "Gone With the Wind."

My wish to all is a happy, healthy, prosperous and VERY optimistic New Year!


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#2 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:02 am

Well, not much in the line of comments, I guess; but I'm pleased that so far, at least, the majority wants this historical city back! :D

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#3 Postby zoeyann » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:53 pm

Have not been in the city since the week before Katrina. I miss the way it smells. Especially the way the garden District smells in the spring and summer, and the way all the food smells in the quater just makes it so had to decide what to have for lunch because you want everything. I missed the Saints games this year. The way you make friends with everyone in your section, and then the way you either cheer with or complain to perfect strangers on the street when the game is over. The Dome always seems to have an awesome atmosphere it breaks my heart to see that tainted now. I missed City Park at Christmas. And I miss the zoo. The worse part is I can or could have enjoyed some of these things, but my allergys are so bad right now that I can not fully get well. One of the things I am allerigic to is mold. I have it in my house right now, but I am afraid to go into the city because it is even worse there.

Anyway, I voted that I miss New Orleans, and wanted to share some of the things that are just awesome about the city.
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#4 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:11 pm

Thanks, Zoey, and I agree with you so much. I'm back in Metairie, but have actually been in the city only a couple of times--once to visit my old homestead on Dauphine Street in the lower ninth ward. The air isn't so much the problem any more, it's the horror of the devastation. I've never seen anything like this in my life, and absolutely NO photographs can do it any justice. The lawns are all GRAY, greenery is hard to find. Almost every building you pass has at least some damage. The areas in the Ninth above Claiborne absolutely look like a shot of Hiroshima after the blast. It's horrific! If I can find a way to get a pic up of St. Maurice Church, my old alma mater in the Ninth, I'll put it up... the steeple was blown completely off, and it was such a nice church--dated to 1854. I wish a few more N'Awlins folks would come in and have a say. For all its pecadillos, and I concede there are many; there just isn't another city on the continent like New Orleans--yes that's a biased opinion; but I adhere to it all the same.

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And if you want a few pics of just how quaint this church once was, Just check on this link.

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#5 Postby aquaholic901 » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:48 am

I'm torn, I've only been twice, I went to the French Quarter once when I was about 10 and we flew into NOLA recently in December to go to LSU's graduation. Being a huge history and culture buff I feel there really is no other place quite like Louisiana. New Orleans seemed to embody the spirit of the area from all that I can remember of it. Sure it was a dirty place when I was there almost 20 years ago and I'd heard from my parents who have gone many times over the years that it was no better in that respect. Still though, there was something about it that was special, even if it was just in my imagination. In the sense that it was culturally and artistically one of the richiest cities in the country I want to say rebuild it. Then the realist in me speaks up and says wait a second. As we flew over the city on the most recent trip and I saw the levee systems it really struck me that someone actually thought at some point that that was a good place to build a major city. Sure the levee & pumping system may work just fine 364 days out of the year but as we saw this it's that one other day that can get you. The levees are I guess are supposed to be built to withstand a Cat 3 storm but Katrina didn't even score a direct hit, the "Big One" as they like to say. Now the federal government is going to pump $200 billion+ into rebuilding the the city but they are going to rebuild the levees only to Cat 3 strength again. That, to me doesn't make any sense at all. I guess you could say emotionally I want to see the city rebuilt but logically it just does'nt make sense to me unless something is done to strengthen the main line of defense against this happening again.
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#6 Postby zoeyann » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:16 pm

I am glad you got to see New Orleans before this happened, even if it was a long time ago. I would walk into parts of the city and would swear that if it were not for the cars and the modern attair you would feel like you had just jumped backward in time. There are many areas of Southeastern Louisiana like that. Some people still live in houses built by there great grandparents or there grandparents(and I do not necessarily mean they had it built but that paw paw put the nails in it himself), our ansectors were waked in these living rooms, we fish the same waters, and then cook these things the same way. Most families still live close together. Truth is you want to move out of your parents house, but I do not know to many people that ever go far. There is a rich cultural and family history that exists in this area and that alone is worth rebuilding.

True New Orleans and surrounding areas have been hit hard, but Florida, Mississippi, and Alabama have been hit by many hurricanes in recent years. It may not be a scientifically logical place to live, but neither is earthquake prone California, tornado alley, any coastal area in general, or the areas where there or wildfires or blizzards.

So where does everyone go? Your general cajun population does not know how to live in cold temperatures. Our snowballs typically have syrup on them,and you do not want to see a born and bred Louisianan trying to drive on this, believe me I have seen people around here who have trouble in the rain. Forget earthquakes you can not see them coming. I would not have any clue as to what to do if the ground shook. I just took a quiz on earthquake safety and it asked what you should do, I still can not figure out why running outside is incorrect. The tornados you usually have around here are not the kind you here about in the plains. I have seen a water spout over lake ponchatrain, but I have never seen a real tornado or an actual basement for that matter.

Sorry, I ran off on a tangent. My point is many people have a cultrural and family basis here that can not be found for them anywhere else. Not only would they be living that behind, but they would leave it behind only to find that every area has the potential for disaster. And there are people who have jobs that have been in the families for generations that would be difficult to find in other places.

My goal here is not to be rude I certainly hope I do not sound that way, but to maybe explain why so many stay or rebuild when it does not seem to make a whole lot of since. You are 100% correct though that something must be done to protect the area. Scary thing is I see alot of political talk and not a whole lot of action and the next season is rapidly approaching. I am 50 miles southwest of New Orleans, and got a little over a foot of water in my house for Rita. So for the reasons I mentioned about not leaving, I spend all of my free time trying to apply with the ICC clause to get my house raised before the next season gets here. The levee board in my area had less water in there building than my now moldy house and they LEFT for higher ground and never came back. Now them and the parish are trying to decide whoses in charge of what levees. So the way I see it I have to protect myself. (Sorry again, that turned into a vent)
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#7 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:14 pm

Personally, Aqua, I feel all this talk of rebuilding the levees to Cat 3 strength is all more political maneuvering while playing with peoples' lives, and I don't care who likes it anymore; but I feel the Katrina Report had/has a lot to do with it. You'll NEVER convince me it was a moderate 3 at landfall--had it been a bonafide Cat 4 the powers that be would be faced with an even more staggering expense to protect the levees in NO. In 21st Century terms, yes, it is a most unlikely place to build a town; but in 1719 it was the practical place for reasons of commerce and defense of control of the Mississippi--it took it from there.

As Zoey explains, few cities have families with longer lineages in one area. My own traces ancestry as far back as the 1750's in this area. It is enormously rich in cultural heritage, and the sad thing is that I see economic maneuvering taking advantage of the political maneuvering while houses that COULD be salvaged quite well still cardoned off for "look and go" only, while the mold, rot and corruption rivals that of the politicians who put us in this predicament. Let the people return to their houses! Of course insist on repairs, and standards; but don't just bulldoze the whole area so it can become another glitzy casino Mecca--this would NOT be New Orleans; but developers don't give a d***n about history, ethnicity, or cultural mosaic--the only color they see is green, and it's sad but I feel this is the direction the "New" New Orleans is headed.

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#8 Postby TSmith274 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:42 am

My family has been in N.O. since the 1700's. So, my roots run deep. The city is older than the United States itself. I cannot imagine anyone not wanting to at least try to save the city. It's too much of a national treasure. We should at least try, in the good 'ole American way, to save it. The levees that were in place were a national disgrace. They failed. We're sending probes to Pluto, collecting stardust from the tails of comets, and planning to put a man on Mars. Yet, we can't build a Cat 5 levee system to keep the water out. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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#9 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:51 pm

I'm with you, TSmith. When your roots go this deep, it's VERY hard to say just forget it. The cultural tapestry of New Orleans was unlike that found in ANY other city in America. It is beyond the pale that anyone would say abandon it rather than protect it--which IS possible. Your statements about money spent in trailing comets et. al. is spot on. What has me very worried, is that I'm hearing they are NOT shoring up those levees as they should; which could just be another catastrophe waiting to happen. And that would be an even worse national disgrace. People all over the world know of, and love New Orleans--Bring it BACK!

And fill in the stupid MrGo... it MUST GO!

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#10 Postby MiamiensisWx » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:54 pm

I agree strongly that New Orleans must be rebuilt; however, I am so tired of politics.
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#11 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:27 pm

So am I CVW, so am I. Sadly, tho' , when you talk of things that can have this kind of economic impact, the two are inextricably intertwined, and those who can gain from it, like buzzards endlessly circle the skies.

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#12 Postby southerngale » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:34 pm

I've never been to New Orleans so I don't really know what it's like to miss it. Of course the whole thing is horribly sad and I think they need to fix the levees before rebuilding.

However, I know what it's like to see a landmark church get ripped apart by a destructive hurricane. A lot of steeples were blown off by Rita and many sustained much worse damage. This is Orange First Baptist Church, established in 1857. Orange is just east of Beaumont. Btw, FBC Orange was the first Red Cross Shelter to open in Texas for Katrina evacuees, on August 27th. It's under construction now...they are rebuilding.

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#13 Postby Downdraft » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:35 am

Maybe this makes to much sense I don't know. Can anyone think of a country whose very survival depends on keeping an often savage sea from flooding the entire nation? I can it's a little country called Holland or The Netherlands. Why not ask the Dutch for some help? Surely if anyone can understand the problem and what it would take to fix it they do. Like I said maybe it makes to much sense.
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#14 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:40 am

Downdraft wrote:Maybe this makes to much sense I don't know. Can anyone think of a country whose very survival depends on keeping an often savage sea from flooding the entire nation? I can it's a little country called Holland or The Netherlands. Why not ask the Dutch for some help? Surely if anyone can understand the problem and what it would take to fix it they do. Like I said maybe it makes to much sense.


the dutch don't have to deal with a hurricanes storm surge though
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#15 Postby aquaholic901 » Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:49 pm

zoeyann wrote:I am glad you got to see New Orleans before this happened, even if it was a long time ago. I would walk into parts of the city and would swear that if it were not for the cars and the modern attair you would feel like you had just jumped backward in time. There are many areas of Southeastern Louisiana like that. Some people still live in houses built by there great grandparents or there grandparents(and I do not necessarily mean they had it built but that paw paw put the nails in it himself), our ansectors were waked in these living rooms, we fish the same waters, and then cook these things the same way. Most families still live close together. Truth is you want to move out of your parents house, but I do not know to many people that ever go far. There is a rich cultural and family history that exists in this area and that alone is worth rebuilding.

True New Orleans and surrounding areas have been hit hard, but Florida, Mississippi, and Alabama have been hit by many hurricanes in recent years. It may not be a scientifically logical place to live, but neither is earthquake prone California, tornado alley, any coastal area in general, or the areas where there or wildfires or blizzards.

So where does everyone go? Your general cajun population does not know how to live in cold temperatures. Our snowballs typically have syrup on them,and you do not want to see a born and bred Louisianan trying to drive on this, believe me I have seen people around here who have trouble in the rain. Forget earthquakes you can not see them coming. I would not have any clue as to what to do if the ground shook. I just took a quiz on earthquake safety and it asked what you should do, I still can not figure out why running outside is incorrect. The tornados you usually have around here are not the kind you here about in the plains. I have seen a water spout over lake ponchatrain, but I have never seen a real tornado or an actual basement for that matter.

Sorry, I ran off on a tangent. My point is many people have a cultrural and family basis here that can not be found for them anywhere else. Not only would they be living that behind, but they would leave it behind only to find that every area has the potential for disaster. And there are people who have jobs that have been in the families for generations that would be difficult to find in other places.

My goal here is not to be rude I certainly hope I do not sound that way, but to maybe explain why so many stay or rebuild when it does not seem to make a whole lot of since. You are 100% correct though that something must be done to protect the area. Scary thing is I see alot of political talk and not a whole lot of action and the next season is rapidly approaching. I am 50 miles southwest of New Orleans, and got a little over a foot of water in my house for Rita. So for the reasons I mentioned about not leaving, I spend all of my free time trying to apply with the ICC clause to get my house raised before the next season gets here. The levee board in my area had less water in there building than my now moldy house and they LEFT for higher ground and never came back. Now them and the parish are trying to decide whoses in charge of what levees. So the way I see it I have to protect myself. (Sorry again, that turned into a vent)


The culture of the area is one of the things I like best about it. As a 5th generation native of Tampa I know what its like to see the city whose heritage and history you want to preserve torn down to make room for more condos, featureless neighborhoods, nightclubs and shopping malls to appease the snowbirds & tourists. For the record I did vote to rebuild NOLA. I just can't see the logic of pouring a massive amount of tax money into doing it if there is not going to be anything significant done to prevent the same thing from happening again when the next storm rolls around. You guys are in my thoughts and I know that with the spirit and sense of community I saw in the few times I was up there that no matter what the bureacrats (sp) & politicians say or do the city and the Gulf Coast will recover one way or another.
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#16 Postby swampdude » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:53 am

I have been to New Orleans numerous times in the past 30 years. It is a town that I have a love/hate relationship with. There are parts of the city that are fabulous but most of the city is not nice at all. The politics of New Orleans are embarrassing. People not intimately familiar with "the way things are done" politically, would not believe that this is actually part of the United States. That being said, I am all for rebuilding any part of New Orleans that would not require massive construction of new levees to keep it dry. I would support rebuilding if the city was raised (by filling in the "bowl"). If the government is expected to keep the Gulf of Mexico (at Cat. 5 levels) out of New Orleans, I would respectfully request that a Cat. 5 seawall also be built by the same government, to protect my city which is ABOVE sea level but only by 8 feet . I assure you that I am not trying to be cold-blooded about this, but why invest huge amounts of public money to face the inevitable repeat of mother nature's wrath? :eek:
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#17 Postby MGC » Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:37 am

I'd like to see New Orleans returned to her former glory. New Orleans is an American treasure. I've been all over America and much of the world. Nothing is like New Orleans.....MGC
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#18 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:09 am

Thanks, MGC.

I find the numbers interesting now, and the margin in favor of her "past glory" have dipped below 2/3 but at least, for the time being it's still a greater than all the other options combined choice. If I were to be asked "will" she retain that glory, I'd be more pessimistic as I see signs all around me of the moneylords wringing their hands anxiously awaiting the total annihilation of whole subdivisions for their commercial ventures--which will doubtless be a financial boon; but an irretrievable treasure will have been lost.

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#19 Postby HurricaneJim » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:16 am

I just got back from a return trip down there after publishing my book. What a town. I was sad and inspired all at the same time. Sad that so much has been lost and inspired that so many are in there, toughing it out, making it come back. Ranks up there with Sarajevo in my world, and that goes very deep with me (having fought there in the early 90s).

Saw John Boutte twice in two nights down on Frenchman St. Had me in tears both times.

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#20 Postby Jim Cantore » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:45 am

The city was a mistake when they built it, they couldnt have picked a worse spot

Still its a beautiful city but being where it is it faces the risk of its inevetible destruction, not in our lifetime but eventually it will be washed away and I hate to say it but it will take thousands with it.

I just hope never to see what I saw with Katrina again
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