Hamas controls Palestine,Israel wont negociate with them

[cycloneye]

ours called for violenece? Give me a break Protecting our nation's national security is not aggression

Yeah but starting a war against a nation that is no threat to our security is.

Ok folks let's not cross to the political road.Let's continue to discuss about this theme without the political stuff that some here sometimes dont want to avoid.

[azsnowman]

It is not looking good...Something tells me we are on the edge of WWIII. This is likely to get bad very fast.

Not good very bad... I pray that I wake up from this nightmare.

Well folks, it HAS been prophecied, read the Book, we KNOW who wins.........it's just GETTING to THAT point

Dennis

[cycloneye]

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 6:47 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2006
RAMALLAH, West Bank - Israel will not negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas members, acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Thursday after the Islamic militant group's landslide victory in parliament elections.

“The state of Israel will not negotiate with a Palestinian administration if even part of it is an armed terrorist organization calling for the destruction of the state of Israel,” Olmert said in a statement issued after an emergency meeting with senior Cabinet ministers, including Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and acting Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.


It looks like Israel will not deal with Hamas even if they play nice.

[kevin]

It is not looking good...Something tells me we are on the edge of WWIII. This is likely to get bad very fast.

Not good very bad... I pray that I wake up from this nightmare.

Well folks, it HAS been prophecied, read the Book, we KNOW who wins.........it's just GETTING to THAT point

Dennis

Oh boy I can't wait.

[MiamiensisWx]

Uh-oh... I think we are getting political!

[kevin]

Some people here are getting fundamental but I haven't seen politics.

[MiamiensisWx]

I know... it's just that fundamentalism often leads to nasty politics. Remember Katrina?

[wxcrazytwo]

Things are getting mighty interesting right about now. It seems that some of the palestinians don't like this group. It looks like the Hamas win might implode!

[Stratosphere747]

Hamas won by a clear majority. The dissent you are seeing is from the younger members of Fatah, who besides being upset of the humiliating defeat, are fed up with the corruption over the years. Some people may not realize how much money they have stole from their own people when Arafat was the leader.

Hamas is not any better, but lets no fool ourselves here. It's just going from one terrorist organization to another.

[cycloneye]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Firing into the air, Fatah gunmen and police stormed Palestinian parliament buildings on Saturday in growing unrest after their long-dominant party's crushing election defeat by Hamas Islamists.

Hamas leaders meanwhile rejected as "blackmail" Western demands that it renounce violence against Israel or risk losing aid vital to the survival of the Palestinian Authority. Hopes of peacemaking with Israel have been pushed further into limbo.

Turmoil since the parliamentary election landslide has fueled fears of inter-Palestinian strife as Hamas tries to form a government and possibly take over security forces packed with Fatah loyalists at odds with the Islamic militants.

Thousands of gunmen from President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah held protests across the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, many firing automatic rifles into the air.

They took over parliament in the West Bank city of Ramallah for about 20 minutes, shouting demands from the roof before descending peacefully. Fatah militants and police also seized the parliament building in the Gaza Strip.

The gunmen demanded Fatah leaders resign. They also aimed to dissuade the party from any idea of sharing power with Hamas or letting it control security forces -- after Hamas politburo chief Khaled Meshaal said it planned to form "an army".

"We will transform the army of the Palestinian Authority into armed militias. We are not waiting for Hamas to teach us their Islamic beliefs. We know the Koran by heart," said Fatah gunman Ramzi Obeid.

In Gaza, where eight people were hurt on Friday in clashes between Fatah and Hamas activists, the gunmen were joined in their protest by police opposed to any Hamas control over them.

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz repeated Israel's vow not to negotiate with Hamas and to strike at its leaders if the group, which has waged a suicide bombing campaign against the Jewish state, broke a February truce.


Fatah and Hamas people are fighting each other in the streets as things haved turned bad in that region.The question is if they keep fighting one to another a civil war may break out in Palestine.

[azsnowman]

Pray people.....because as it's written, "When you see Jerasulem surrounded, pray that your journey will be an easy one!"

Dennis

[kevin]

Jerusalem has been surrounded multiple times, and seized.

70 A.D. by the Romans
614 A.D. to the Persians

To name two cases.

Where's the quote from?

[tornadochaser1986]

i hope so but judging what Hamas has done in the past i have very little trust in them

[cycloneye]

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- A leader of Hamas, the militant group that last week became the controlling force in Palestinian politics, laid out a series of conditions Sunday that he said could lead to years of co-existence alongside Israel.

The conditions included Israel's retreating to its pre-1967 borders and releasing Palestinian prisoners.

Mahmoud al-Zahar, the top Hamas official in Gaza, told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" that a "long-term hudna or long-term truce" is possible. He would not commit to negotiating with Israel and would not say whether recognizing Israel's existence is a long-term possibility


Hamas set conditions for a truce with Israel but Israel says no.Read below what Israel says in response.



JERUSALEM (AP) -- Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out contacts with a Hamas-led Palestinian government until the Islamic group renounces violence, and his defense minister threatened to liquidate Hamas militants involved in attacks.

With the latest comments, Israel showed no signs of backing down from the tough line it has taken since Hamas won a landslide victory in Palestinian legislative elections last week.

The group, which opposes the existence of Israel and has killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings, is expected to lead the next Palestinian government, hurting the chances for a peace deal. However, a Hamas-backed Palestinian lawmaker said he believes the group is flexible enough to reach an understanding with Israel.

Also Sunday, about 7,000 Israeli security forces, anticipating violent resistance, were training to dismantle two small West Bank settler outposts later this week, police said. Resistance is expected to be fierce in Amona and among Israeli squatters who took over an abandoned market in the Palestinian city of Hebron.

The operation marks Israel's first evacuation of Jewish settlers since its withdrawal from Gaza and part of the West Bank in August.

Olmert, addressing the weekly meeting of his Cabinet, said he has received widespread international support for the Israeli position toward Hamas. Officials said Olmert has been in touch with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and leaders from France, Egypt and Jordan.

"We clarified that without a clear abandonment of the path of terror, a recognition of Israel's right to exist in security and peace ... Israel won't have any contact with the Palestinians," Olmert said. "These principles are accepted by the international community. On this issue, I don't intend to make any compromises."

Olmert has not decided whether to accept defense officials' recommendation to stop transferring to the Palestinian government the tens of millions of dollars in taxes and customs it collects monthly from Palestinians, fearing this could cause the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority to collapse, officials said.

[cycloneye]

Mofaz: Hamas Acting Responsibly; Hamas: Israel Must Change Flag
15:22 Jan 30, '06 / 1 Shevat 5766
By Scott Shiloh



Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since the election Hamas was acting responsibly. Shortly afterwards, a senior Hamas official called on Israel to change its flag.


Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since Hamas won a sweeping victory in last Wednesday’s PA parliamentary election, the extreme Islamic terror group was acting “responsibly.”

Mofaz also said that in the short term, he thinks Hamas will refrain from terror attacks.

He added that it was likely that the Hamas will also attempt to block the Islamic Jihad from carrying out terrorist attacks against Israel. Islamic Jihad, trying to portray itself as more radical than Hamas, boycotted last week’s election. They claimed that the elections were based on the Oslo accords and played into the hands of the United States.

Shortly after making his comments about the Hamas, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said from Gaza that Israel must change its flag. "Israel must remove the two blue stripes from its national flag", said Zahar. “The stripes on the flag are symbols of occupation. They signify Israel's borders stretching from the River Euphrates to the River Nile."

Israel’s national flag, a blue Star of David set between two blue stripes, was designed to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl which traditionally has stripes.

When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."

Mofaz said the government’s policy towards Hamas must be clear. The Hamas, he said, “must annul their charter and disarm, and then we'll be facing a clearer reality," Mofaz said. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

An Israeli government official said that Egytian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah are worried that the Hamas electoral victory might encourage radical Islamic groups in their own countries.

The Hamas’s ideology is based on that of the Moslem Brotherhood, a radical Moslem sect based in Egypt.


More demands to Israel from Hamas.Now they want Israel to change their flag.

[feederband]

I do believe that sometime soon their is going to be a final end to this issue...Allthough a bloody end I'm afraid...

[wxcrazytwo]

Mofaz: Hamas Acting Responsibly; Hamas: Israel Must Change Flag
15:22 Jan 30, '06 / 1 Shevat 5766
By Scott Shiloh



Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since the election Hamas was acting responsibly. Shortly afterwards, a senior Hamas official called on Israel to change its flag.


Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Israeli cabinet on Sunday that since Hamas won a sweeping victory in last Wednesday’s PA parliamentary election, the extreme Islamic terror group was acting “responsibly.”

Mofaz also said that in the short term, he thinks Hamas will refrain from terror attacks.

He added that it was likely that the Hamas will also attempt to block the Islamic Jihad from carrying out terrorist attacks against Israel. Islamic Jihad, trying to portray itself as more radical than Hamas, boycotted last week’s election. They claimed that the elections were based on the Oslo accords and played into the hands of the United States.

Shortly after making his comments about the Hamas, Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said from Gaza that Israel must change its flag. "Israel must remove the two blue stripes from its national flag", said Zahar. “The stripes on the flag are symbols of occupation. They signify Israel's borders stretching from the River Euphrates to the River Nile."

Israel’s national flag, a blue Star of David set between two blue stripes, was designed to resemble a Jewish prayer shawl which traditionally has stripes.

When asked whether the Hamas would renounce terrorism, Zahar said in a CNN interview, "What is the international definition of terrorism? When (Israeli planes) attack houses by F-16, just when they are using helicopters, when they are killing people and children and removing our agriculture system, this is terrorism."

Mofaz said the government’s policy towards Hamas must be clear. The Hamas, he said, “must annul their charter and disarm, and then we'll be facing a clearer reality," Mofaz said. The Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

An Israeli government official said that Egytian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan’s King Abdullah are worried that the Hamas electoral victory might encourage radical Islamic groups in their own countries.

The Hamas’s ideology is based on that of the Moslem Brotherhood, a radical Moslem sect based in Egypt.


More demands to Israel from Hamas.Now they want Israel to change their flag.

Now, that is tooo much...

[Stratosphere747]

This is tame compared to what they really want. The fact that they actually admit to recognizing their flag by asking them to change it, tells you how confused Hamas is.

[f5]

Uh-oh... I think we are getting political!

its not political is biblical.i recommended reading Pastor John Hagee's new book Jerusalem:Countdown to Crisis

[MiamiensisWx]

its not political is biblical.i recommended reading Pastor John Hagee's new book Jerusalem:Countdown to Crisis

Havn't you read the news lately? Too often, issues with that get extremely political. Take the ugly politics of Katrina, New Orleans, and extremist groups, for example.