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#141 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:42 pm

Ahmadinejad laughs off resolution
Herald Sun ^ | 6 February 2006

IRAN'S hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad today brushed off a decision by the International Atomic Energy Agency to report his country to the UN Security Council as "funny" and labelled his country's enemies as "idiots".

"You can pass as many resolutions as you like and be happy about it, but you cannot stop the progress of the Iranian people... We thank God that our enemies are idiots," he was quoted as saying by Iranian news agencies.

The IAEA voted yesterday to report Iran to the UN Security Council amid fears the country is seeking nuclear weapons. Iran argues it only wants to generate electricity and has accused the West of trying to intimidate it.

"We don't need you. It is you who need the Iranian people. This is the funniest decision I've seen," said the austere president.

"They are angry at the Islamic Republic, because the Iranian people have reached the summit of science and technology."

And in a direct challenge to the West, he said: "You know you cannot do anything, because the era of domination and repression is over and we are no longer in the Middle Ages."

Iran has retaliated against the resolution, with Ahmadinejad ordering an end to snap IAEA inspections as well as the resumption of sensitive fuel cycle work.



This guy needs to be taken out..If you think he will not blow up Israel or hit our troops an Iraq then your smoking something bad. The only way to fight with nukes it to fight with nukes. It is not a smart move to move troops or have them with in range to nukes. This is only getting worst.
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#142 Postby JTD » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:44 pm

kevin wrote:Jason you would be correct if foreign policy were made by strategists and thinkers whose political experience isn't contained within an obscure essay by Kant. I'm afraid that strategic sense isn't an accurate predictor in this government.

We are very close to war. The drums are pounding too loud.


Kevin, I disagree. I don't think Andrea Mitchell was doing her own analysis of the situation. She is talking to senior US government officials all the time and that is what they are telling her.

Plus, the U.S. just doesn't have the capacity to invade Iran right now being tied up in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries in the war on terror. I could see an air campaign or an Israeli strike but a large-scale war seems unlikely.
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#143 Postby Derek Ortt » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:49 pm

or we could do a prolonged, mid to high-level air campaign, allowing us to build up our ground forces in the region.

Victory would not have to be swift... afterall, wars typically last years, not weeks
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#144 Postby cycloneye » Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:01 pm

By Babak Dehghanpisheh and Christopher Dickey
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Feb. 13, 2006 issue - Born to a blacksmith, educated as a revolutionary, trained as a killer and derided by rivals as a mystical fanatic, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is easily cast as the personification of everything there is to fear about a nuclear Iran. But he may be worse than that—not because of how he looks to the outside world, but because of what he represents inside his country. Ahmadinejad plays to a nostalgia for war among parts of Iran's leadership, and even some of its young people: a longing for confrontation, a belief that a quarter century ago, when revolutionary Iran was ready to challenge the world, send countless youths to martyrdom in the fight against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, endure missile attacks on its cities, suffer poison-gas attacks against its troops—in those days the regime of the ayatollahs was purer, more noble, more popular and ultimately more secure.


Since he took office in August, Ahmadinejad has shown himself an expert at provoking outrage, calling for the destruction of Israel, denying the Holocaust, berating "false superpowers." Although he continues to swear that Iran's nuclear research is peaceful, much of the world's lack of faith in Iran's promises was clear last week when even Russia and China agreed to send its case before the Security Council. Iran's response: threats to cease voluntary cooperation with nuclear investigators from the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency.

How dangerous is the crisis that Ahmadinejad has helped to spawn? Unimpeded by inspections and vowing to launch commercial uranium enrichment, Iran could move ahead quickly with a program to build a bomb—if that is indeed what it wants to do. Iran can produce enriched uranium "by the ton," its ambassador to the IAEA, Ali Ashgar Soltanieh, told NEWSWEEK shortly after Saturday's vote, even as he insisted Iran will not produce a bomb.

U.S. intelligence sources estimate that a workable Iranian weapon is four to 10 years away. Israeli intelligence suggests a year may be a closer bet, and the Israelis see Iranian nukes as an existential threat to be stopped at all costs. Not since Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was alive in the 1980s has Iran provoked so many regional and global tensions—and that's just what Ahmadinejad, his religious superiors and his key supporters in the Street seem to want. "This is the war generation," says Massoud Denhmaki, a documentary filmmaker and former member of the religious militia Ansar-e Hizbullah. "During the war [against Saddam Hussein's Iraq from 1980-1988], we learned how to walk on mines so others could walk on our backs. This is the same approach this generation has toward politics. We accomplished a lot with very little during the war. We'll manage the country the same way."

Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy calls these veterans "a very dangerous group." Sophisticated Iranians have treated them as "hicks," he says. But the survivors of the savage battles of 20 years ago "feel that they have a moral right to govern that country because they are the ones that saved it." After years of corruption and failed reforms, they mix a yearning for change with nostalgia for prouder times.

Even many young people are caught up in this wave. On the campus of Tehran's elite Imam Sadegh University, students who weren't born in 1979 talk about "the purity of the revolution and the war." "An Islamic renaissance is starting from here," says Reza Tawana, a third-year law student who fingers his worry beads and avoids looking women in the eye. "We are witnessing the start of a fundamentalist uprising in the region from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to Hamas, Hizbullah in Lebanon and of course Mr. Ahmadinejad in our own country."


Above is an articule of Newsweek Magazine from it's latest edition where it talks about the Iranian President and other interesting things about this standoff.
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#145 Postby tornadochaser1986 » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:43 pm

its about time weve done something this has been going on for over a year if im correct the negotiations and such :roll:
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#146 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:39 pm

By Kevin Peraino and John Barry
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Feb. 13, 2006 issue - As scary as the idea may sound, the Israelis may not be bluffing. Their defense experts display no doubt whatsoever that Israel's Air Force can cripple Iran's nuclear program if necessary. The trick, they say, is to go after the system's weak spots. "You need to identify the bottlenecks," says a senior Israeli military source, asking not to be named for security reasons. "There are not very many. If you take them out, then you really undermine the project." Shlomo Brom, a former Israeli armed forces chief of strategic planning, says the destruction of two or three key facilities would probably suffice. He singles out the Natanz uranium-enrichment complex and the conversion plant at Esfahan as critical.

It wouldn't be as easy as it sounds. Tehran, taking obvious lessons from Israel's successful 1981 bombing of Saddam Hussein's reactor at Osirak, has done its best to shield potential targets like Natanz. "They are dispersed, underground, hardened," says the senior Israeli military source. U.S. analysts say each facility would require multiple hits before serious damage was done. Still, the Israelis—who have an undeclared nuclear arsenal of their own, and refuse international inspections or oversight—insist they have all the firepower they need: more than 100 U.S.-made BLU-109 "bunker buster" earth-penetrating bombs. "I think they could do the job," says the senior Israeli source.

Logistics is a bigger hurdle. Each separate target would require a small fleet of aircraft. Israel's F-15s and F-16s would need advance escorts of "electronic countermeasures" aircraft to jam Iran's air-defense radars, and every one of those planes would need an entourage of fighter aircraft. At short range, Tehran's newly upgraded MiG-29 interceptors are a match for just about anything in the air. "To get there and bomb the facilities, that's the easy part," says Brom. "The difficult part is how to get back. We're not making kamikaze runs."

To hit Osirak in 1981, Israel's bombers flew in low over Saudi Arabia. In a study published late last year by the U.S. Army War College, Brom suggests that a strike against Iran's facilities could arrive by way of the Indian Ocean—roughly twice the operational radius of Israel's newest strike aircraft under optimal flying conditions. But Israel's fleet of specialized planes for in-flight refueling—five aging KC-130H tankers—doesn't have the capacity to get all those aircraft there and back again. The only way to manage it would be with a covert stopover midway—it's anybody's guess where.

The Israelis admit they can only disable the Iranian program, not destroy it. "The real question is what you achieve if the best you can do is to delay the project for a few years," says a senior U.S. administration official, speaking anonymously because it's a sensitive topic. The cost to the region's stability could be devastating. Meanwhile, Israel continues to upgrade its own arsenal, acquiring two new German subs that could launch nuclear-armed cruise missiles for a "second-strike" deterrent. Perhaps the threats are only a way of pushing the West to get tough with Tehran before the arms race gets even more heated. But if so, it's one hell of an act.


Above is another very interesting articule from the lasest Newsweek Magazine about Israel and how they are planning a military strike against the plants that are enriching uraninum.
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#147 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:07 pm

Russia Warns Against Conflict With Iran
Feb 06 10:17 AM US/Eastern
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By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
Associated Press Writer


MOSCOW


Russia's foreign minister warned against threatening Iran over its nuclear program Monday after Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld reportedly agreed with a German interviewer that all options, including military response, remained on the table.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called for talks to continue with Tehran, which was reported to the U.N. Security Council on Saturday by the International Atomic Energy Agency.



"I think that at the current stage, it is important not to make guesses about what will happen and even more important not to make threats," Lavrov said during a visit to Athens, Greece.

Rumsfeld, in an interview with the German daily newspaper Handelsblatt, was asked if all options, including the military one, were on the table with Iran.

"That's right," Rumsfeld responded, according to Handelsblatt's print edition Monday.

Lavrov said the use of force would be possible only if the United Nations consented.

The IAEA's 35-nation board of governors voted to report Iran to the Security Council, which has the power to impose economic and political sanctions. Tehran responded by saying it would start full-scale uranium enrichment and bar surprise inspections of its facilities.

Meanwhile, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kislyak said Monday a proposed joint venture to enrich Iranian uranium in Russia would be possible only if Tehran resumed its moratorium on enrichment activities, Interfax reported.

Despite an earlier threat to the contrary, Iran said Sunday it was willing to discuss Moscow's proposal to shift large-scale enrichment operations to Russian territory in an effort to allay suspicions it is pursuing nuclear weapons.

Talks on the project were scheduled for Feb. 16 in Moscow. The Bush administration supports the proposal.

Uranium enriched to a low degree can be used for nuclear reactors, while highly enriched uranium is suitable for warheads. Iran insists it only wants to generate electricity, but the United States and some of its allies contend Tehran is trying to build a bomb.

The Islamic republic also left the door open for further international negotiations over its program.

Radzhab Safarov, a Moscow-based expert on Iran, said this month's talks in Moscow could produce a breakthrough because some Iranian politicians had questioned the wisdom of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's uncompromising course and had grown increasingly worried about growing international isolation.

"There is a strong chance that these talks will lead to a decision that would help defuse the situation," Safarov said at a news conference.

Safarov said any U.S. or Israeli military action against Iran would prompt Iran to retaliate by blocking oil deliveries through the Persian Gulf and throwing the global market into chaos.

France's foreign minister told Iranian officials Monday to "be careful" when considering whether to use economic sanctions to retaliate after the Security Council referral.

"The Iranians should be careful," Philippe Douste-Blazy said on France-Inter radio. "Isolating themselves would be very serious for them."

"They also need economic cooperation for their industries."

Iran reiterated its stance that it would not negotiate with the United States.

"There is no debate about relations and negotiation with the U.S. There has been no change in our policy," Gholamhossein Elham, Iran's government spokesman, said Monday.


Russia as we know are very good friends of Iran.
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#148 Postby canegrl04 » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:55 pm

I hope nothing happens,but the situation is getting very scary with the constant new threats every day. Its CLEAR the US has no intention of allowing Iran to get the bomb. If it comes down to it,there IS GOING TO BE MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN. Probably with help from Israel,and another NATO country or two. Andrea Mitchell may have been getting her sources from someone who is not a hawk
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#149 Postby LSU2001 » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:27 pm

Iran new focus of caricature protests

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran cut off trade ties with Denmark and Iranians pelted the Austrian Embassy with Molotov cocktails and stones on Monday in the latest protest over the publication of satirical cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in European newspapers.

The 200 protesters, chanting “God is Greatest” and “Europe, Europe, shame on you,” smashed all the embassy’s windows with stones and then tried to hurl Molotov cocktails inside. They exploded in flames against metal grills guarding the windows, and the fires were quickly put out by police with fire extinguishers.

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#150 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:14 pm

Iran Tells Nuke Agency to Remove Cameras
Feb 06 2:09 PM US/Eastern
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Iran has told the International Atomic Energy Agency to remove surveillance cameras and agency seals from sites and nuclear equipment that go beyond minimal commitments to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty by mid-February, the IAEA said Monday.

In a confidential report to the IAEA's 35 board member nations dated Monday and made available to The Associated Press, agency head Mohamed ElBaradei said Iran also announced a sharp reduction in the number and kind of inspections IAEA experts will be allowed, effective immediately.


No inspectors cameras anymore says Iran.This action by them is another measure that will escalate more the standoff.If they say the enrichment of uraninum is for electricity then why they dont let the inspectors do their job.By doing this it tells that they are hiding something.
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#151 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:41 pm

Iran demands halt to broadcasts from West; Dubai complies



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Monday, February 6, 2006
ABU DHABI — Iran has forced the United Arab Emirates of Dubai to halt live Persian-language television broadcasts.

Western diplomatic sources said the broadcasts contained Western programming and discussed democracy. They said President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his advisers regarded these broadcasts as part of a U.S.-led effort to foment unrest in Iran.



"There were harsh messages sent to Dubai by the Iranian president personally," a diplomatic source said. "In the end, neither Dubai nor the central UAE government sought a confrontation."
The broadcasts were meant to be beamed in Iraq in a project financed by Holland.

Iran also pressured Holland to end support for the Persian-language broadcasts. The sources said Teheran awarded several major projects to the Netherlands in wake of its decision to withdraw support for the broadcasts.

The United States has not supported the financing of opposition broadcasts to Iran. But Sen. Rick Santorum, a leading Republican, has introduced the Iran Freedom and Support Act, which has garnered support of nearly 50 members.

Santorum's bill would increase support for a free media in Iran. This would include the beaming of anti-regime broadcasts from both within and outside of the United States.


The regime in Iran does not want any kind of information that may cause a revolt against the mullahs there.
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U.S.: Iran Has 'Capability'

#152 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:50 pm

U.S.: Iran Has 'Capability'
Monday, February 06, 2006




WASHINGTON — Iran used negotiations with the European Union to play for time and has now achieved the ability to both develop nuclear weapons and deliver them, a senior Bush administration official said Monday.

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#153 Postby cycloneye » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:37 pm

'Iran is world's most serious threat since WWII'
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Israel's Ambassador to the United States Danny Ayalon said on Tuesday morning that Iran is the biggest problem facing the world since World War II.

He said the UN Security Council must force Iran to accept real supervision that would prevent the further development of its nuclear program.

If they continue with their plans, Ayalon warned, Iran may have the know-how needed for the production of nuclear weapons by the end of the year.

Ayalon, in an interview to Reuters, stated that he believed Iran's nuclear program would be blocked by diplomatic, not military means


Wow very strong words about the comparation of this Iran situation with World War II.
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#154 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:13 pm

Especially considering Israel's history during WWII. Or I should say the Jewish History. Since Israel did not exist during WWII

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#155 Postby cycloneye » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:25 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6979727/

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Above is Irans Nuclear Network.They have many facilities that are used for the making of nukes.If military action comes it wont be easy because many of those sites are underground although if the mother of all bombs which is of 21,000 pounds gets to the ground it will cripple anything down there.
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#156 Postby alicia-w » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:37 pm

i dont understand why no other country has the right to nuclear development. are we the only ones who are allowed to use nuclear power for power? are we the only ones who are allowed to have nuclear weapons? who are we to dictate what the other countries of the world are allowed to do to maintain their infrastructure?
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#157 Postby Stratosphere747 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:43 pm

We tend not to openly make statements like "Israel must be wiped from the map of the world". That may have something to do with it.

This is no longer about Iran developing the technology for it's infrastructure, it's about their zest to obtain a actual nuclear weapon.
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#158 Postby alicia-w » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:49 pm

no, that's true. we just conduct "crusades" against "uncivilized people".

i guess they arent smart enough to realize that if they nuke Israel, a pretty large population of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs will be vaporized too. Collateral damage? Express tickets to heaven?
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#159 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:58 pm

alicia-w wrote:no, that's true. we just conduct "crusades" against "uncivilized people".

i guess they arent smart enough to realize that if they nuke Israel, a pretty large population of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs will be vaporized too. Collateral damage? Express tickets to heaven?


The problem is that they don't really care about collateral damage, what they care about is bluffing the US and our allies long enough to get a bomb. Once they have the bomb to go along with their already developed missile technology they will be the ruling superpower of the Middle East and therefore the world due to the Oil reserves in the Middle East.
THere is also concern that the Theocracy in Teheran (sp) maybe bent upon a religious war destined to bring back the "hidden Imam" or some such stuff.

The question of Iran using nuclear technology for peaceful purposes is not even a question. They have that right and everyone agrees on that, what worries everyone is that a known terrorist state with theocracy in control may well use a peaceful nuclear program to mask a weapons building program. When Iran signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty they committed to using Nuclear Technology only for peaceful purposes, however they have not been very trustworthy in living up to that commitment and have been very active in purchasing materials from the nuclear black market. This does not sound like a country determined to get nukes for peaceful purposes it sounds like one hell bent on dominating the region and gaining a nuclear weapon regardless of world opinion or their own commitments.
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#160 Postby cycloneye » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:58 am

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.j ... ortal.html

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More evidence that Iran is going ahead to enrich uraninum.
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