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Are we going to far with SH?

#1 Postby wxcrazytwo » Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:36 am

There are some things kids understand and some that don't. However, this kid did nothing wrong and was suspended for SH. When I was in pre-school I had my first lip to lip kiss with my first girlfriend (yes first girlfriend), but is was consensual and we both knew it, but nobody every said SH or anything else like that. I think in today's society we are going way to far with some of these issues and applying them to children, which makes no sense to me. CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE MORE ON THIS, AS TO WHY WE SHOULD APPLY THESE KIND OF STANDARDS ON CHILDREN WHO ARE UNABLE TO COMPREHEND SUCH THINGS/


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#2 Postby O Town » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:00 am

Well I tend to agree here with you wxcrazy. This is just ridiculous really. I can see if maybe he was touching her rearend or had his hand IN her pants. But really they were in her waistband, but I don't know what the circumstances were intially. Maybe he had been warned several times, in that case it would be just a matter of disobeying and it should not be classified as sexual harassment. I don't think it should ever be with a child of this age, but then again they know alot really young these days. I have had my daughters come home from school(they are 7)saying some boys have grabbed there rearends, and say some things they should not know about yet. But I just tell my girls to tell the teachers and to tell the boy to knock it off, if where to continued I would have gone down to the school and made sure it stopped. But this case did not sound like it was an ongoing thing, it sounded like a teacher and administration taking things a little to far. As for mom not knowing what to say to the boy, she could tell him you should never touch a girl anywhere near her private parts, and explain where they are, and if the girl ever says to stop, you had better stop. In this case it seems that the accusations went way to far against the boy, it appears it was all innocent IMO. I guess everyone defines SH different, there needs to be a place to draw the line, it would seem like common sense to most of us, but people are getting way to out of control latley about alot of things and this seems to one of them.
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#3 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:14 am

Yes is the answer, imo. I don't have time to get into this with my own experiences. Yes, I had a similar incident in 1st grade, but I lived in N FL(bible belt). I was even accused of sexaual harassment as an adult for touching a womans arm commenting on her goose bumps(on her are). It definitely can be way overblown and overdone. BTW, they found her complaint totally invalid.
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#4 Postby alicia-w » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:54 pm

i'm glad it wasnt my daughter. some little cretin touches her (sticks his fingers in her waistband...), he'd have a helluva lot more to worry about than a sexual harrassment charge. whatever happened to a couple of good whacks with the "Board of Education"??
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#5 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:21 pm

agreed... the board of education quickly taught many lessons back in the day
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#6 Postby alicia-w » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:45 pm

i know that's how i learned exactly what the F word meant. Yow!! It hurt before it even hit!!!
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#7 Postby Skywatch_NC » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:00 pm

I still remember the sound from the hallway from inside the classroom sitting at my school desk...and there was rumors that some paddles even had holes drilled into them for more stinging punch!

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#8 Postby alicia-w » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:25 pm

no rumors, that's the truth. and i dont know that it hurt more, but it certainly whistled on the way in to impact.
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#9 Postby tornadochaser1986 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:50 pm

thank goodness they dont have those anymore wow i cant imagine the pain u would feelk when u got the stick
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#10 Postby Skywatch_NC » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:37 pm

tornadochaser1986 wrote:thank goodness they dont have those anymore wow i cant imagine the pain u would feelk when u got the stick


Nowadays it's pain from lawsuits if a kid were to get disciplined at school.
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#11 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:03 pm

I am glad that I went to a catholic school for kindergarten, where corporal punishment was still used, even though NYS outlawed it in public schools.

We ahd one girl who went to the office every day. One day, the principal had enough and when she was sent a nap time, she was brought back to the class by the principal, taken to the front of the class, had to sit with her back to the principal, and she was given 5 swats on her back with the principal's hand. She behaved the rest of the year

If the paddle is not an option, what ever happened to a good old fashioned 10-25 swats with the sharp side of the ruler on the knuckles?
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#12 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:44 am

Man, if a teacher or principal were to hit me...they would have more than me swinging back to worry about...IMO disipline like with a ruler is for home only...not for some bonehead who thinks he is the boss of me, plus its also either assualt or aggravatted assualt...I would take them to court...and I would win...:lol: but that is just me...I'm glad that they got rid of that disipline, I wouldnt end up with it...yet SOME kids do need a swift kick in the butt..l.:lol:
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#13 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:14 am

you would not have won and the case would have been dismissed.

In the states that still allow it, you cannot sue for being disciplined in school
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#14 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:43 am

All due respect...what an attitude, Tim...teachers and principals ARE your boss(es) (authority figures while at school)...at least back in my day...the teacher WAS IN charge of the classroom...and not the other way around...like it seems how it is so much today...in total reverse...many kids bringing in a weapon of some kind, etc.

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#15 Postby weathermom » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:01 am

There are children ( esp. some with older siblings) that do and say very inappropriate things, even in first grade. While they may not truly understand, they do know that what they are doing is something for older people. And whether or not they understand is no reason to subject the other children to it. Suspension? maybe not, but sometimes it takes drastic measures to get some parents attention.
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#16 Postby brunota2003 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:18 pm

but you see, in public schools they are NOT allowed to even touch you...let alone whack me with a ruler or paddle, so I would win and it wouldnt be dissmissed, as for the boy in the article, he deserved what he got...even though I couldnt spell Sexual Harassment, I new what it was and the punishments for it...
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#17 Postby Skywatch_NC » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:35 pm

brunota2003 wrote:but you see, in public schools they are NOT allowed to even touch you...let alone whack me with a ruler or paddle, so I would win and it wouldnt be dissmissed, as for the boy in the article, he deserved what he got...even though I couldnt spell Sexual Harassment, I new what it was and the punishments for it...


Just goes to show why schools are so out of control in today's society regarding respect for authority and discipline.

No ruler or paddle = chaos.
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#18 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:48 pm

Why didn't they just try to find out if the kid touched the waistband by accident? Just my thoughts...
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#19 Postby CentralFlGal » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:29 pm

Well, all I can say is that they certainly brought enough lingering attention on the boy.

Swift action was required soon after the incident due to the attention span of young children. Make a lasting impression on the child that the incident wasn't proper, then move on. Don't dwell on it - especially in front of the child, or s/he will learn that this is a pretty neat way of getting attention from a whole bunch of adults.

But then again, this only works if the child learns right and wrong at home as well with no mixed signals...
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#20 Postby alicia-w » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:52 pm

apparently an apology was issued to the boy.
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