The South ATLC peeps are looking in the wrong place
Moderator: S2k Moderators
Forum rules
The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.
- P.K.
- Professional-Met
- Posts: 5149
- Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:57 pm
- Location: Watford, England
- Contact:
Found this on a Brazilian website which has picked up on this.
http://www.estiagem.com.br/website/default.asp?CodArea=53&Secao=86&Subsecao=298
As best as I can tell looking at the imagery, this low probably became a subtropical cyclone - a hybrid cyclone with the characteristics and energetics of both the extratropical frontal low and the tropical cyclone. Subtropical cyclones can have powerful winds near the center similar to tropical cyclones, but they still rely to some degree on baroclinic energy release as well.
This system formed as part of a baroclinic system (possibly behind a cold front?). Additionally, the system does not seem to have developed the upper-level outflow pattern that Catarina had.
So, I'm a bit hesitant to say this system became a fully tropical cyclone like I believe Catarina did. However, the presence of the convection and the short-lived eye shows that it at least started down the evolutionary path that Catarina followed.
I think the biggest difference between this system and Catarina is the evolution of the synoptic pattern. In the case of Catarina, the system cut off from the westerlies which wound up isolating the cyclone from vertical wind shear and a continuous inflow cooler air, which allowed the convection to gradually increase and the system to become a tropical cyclone.
If the global models I've looked at are correct, the current system has little chance to develop further as it won't be able to isolate itself from the westerlies.
Once again, thanks for the images, and please feel free to write again if you need more help with this system.
Yours sincerely,
Jack Beven
Tropical Prediction Center
http://www.estiagem.com.br/website/default.asp?CodArea=53&Secao=86&Subsecao=298
0 likes
- P.K.
- Professional-Met
- Posts: 5149
- Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:57 pm
- Location: Watford, England
- Contact:
TPNT KGWC 241000
A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IN SOUTH ATLANTIC
B. 24/0831Z (17)
C. 29.1S/2
D. 38.7W/8
E. THREE/GOES12
F. T0.5/1.5/STT: W1.0/16HRS -24/0831Z-
G. IR/EIR
17A/ PBO XPSD LLCC/AMNTN. LLCC LOCATED 27NM NW OF DG,
YIELDING A DT OF 3.0. FINAL T BASED ON PT.
AODT: T2.3 (SHEAR)
LAING/LUDOVISSIE

A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IN SOUTH ATLANTIC
B. 24/0831Z (17)
C. 29.1S/2
D. 38.7W/8
E. THREE/GOES12
F. T0.5/1.5/STT: W1.0/16HRS -24/0831Z-
G. IR/EIR
17A/ PBO XPSD LLCC/AMNTN. LLCC LOCATED 27NM NW OF DG,
YIELDING A DT OF 3.0. FINAL T BASED ON PT.
AODT: T2.3 (SHEAR)
LAING/LUDOVISSIE

0 likes
- P.K.
- Professional-Met
- Posts: 5149
- Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:57 pm
- Location: Watford, England
- Contact:
METAREA V ISSUED BY BRAZILIAN NAVY MARINE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE
NAVY HYDROGRAPHIC CENTER
WEATHER AND SEA BULLETIN REFERENT ANALYSIS TO 0000 - 24/FEB/2006
DATE AND TIME REFERENCE MERIDIAN OF GREENWICH - GMT
PRESSURE HPA
BEAUFORT SCALE WINDS
WAVES HEIGHT METERS
PART TWO - ANALYSIS AT 240000
LOW 1002 32S059W. LOW 1002 30S042W. LOW 998 35S032W. C-FRONT
AT 33S056W, 28S056W AND 22S059W MOVING AT 10 KTS TO E/NE. C-FRONT
AT 36S029W, 32S029W AND 28S032W MOVING AT 10 KTS TO E/NE.
I T C Z 01N020W, 01S030W, 02N040W AND 01N050W WITH 3/4
DEGREES WIDE WITH LIGHT/MOD OCNL HVY SHWRS AND ISOL THUNDERSTORMS IN
THE WHOLE BAND.
NNNN
NAVY HYDROGRAPHIC CENTER
WEATHER AND SEA BULLETIN REFERENT ANALYSIS TO 0000 - 24/FEB/2006
DATE AND TIME REFERENCE MERIDIAN OF GREENWICH - GMT
PRESSURE HPA
BEAUFORT SCALE WINDS
WAVES HEIGHT METERS
PART TWO - ANALYSIS AT 240000
LOW 1002 32S059W. LOW 1002 30S042W. LOW 998 35S032W. C-FRONT
AT 33S056W, 28S056W AND 22S059W MOVING AT 10 KTS TO E/NE. C-FRONT
AT 36S029W, 32S029W AND 28S032W MOVING AT 10 KTS TO E/NE.
I T C Z 01N020W, 01S030W, 02N040W AND 01N050W WITH 3/4
DEGREES WIDE WITH LIGHT/MOD OCNL HVY SHWRS AND ISOL THUNDERSTORMS IN
THE WHOLE BAND.
NNNN
0 likes
- cycloneye
- Admin
- Posts: 146221
- Age: 69
- Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:54 am
- Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico
TPNT KGWC 241852
A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IN SOUTH ATLANTIC
B. 24/1731Z (17)
C. XX.X
D. XXX.X
E. GOES12
F. TX.X/1.5 -24/1731Z-
G. IR/EIR/VIS/MSI
CNF. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY CNVCTN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
SYSTEM. THIS WILL BE THE LAST MESSAGE ON THIS SYSTEM FROM
AFWA. THIS SYSTEM WILL CONTINUED TO BE MONITORED FOR SIGNS
OF REGENERATION.
AODT: N/A
WOLLMANN/CAMPBELL
The Air Force folks bring the killing message for the disturbance.Well while it lasted it offered some excitment here.
A. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE IN SOUTH ATLANTIC
B. 24/1731Z (17)
C. XX.X
D. XXX.X
E. GOES12
F. TX.X/1.5 -24/1731Z-
G. IR/EIR/VIS/MSI
CNF. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY CNVCTN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
SYSTEM. THIS WILL BE THE LAST MESSAGE ON THIS SYSTEM FROM
AFWA. THIS SYSTEM WILL CONTINUED TO BE MONITORED FOR SIGNS
OF REGENERATION.
AODT: N/A
WOLLMANN/CAMPBELL
The Air Force folks bring the killing message for the disturbance.Well while it lasted it offered some excitment here.
0 likes
Visit the Caribbean-Central America Weather Thread where you can find at first post web cams,radars
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here
and observations from Caribbean basin members Click Here
- TheEuropean
- Professional-Met
- Posts: 1797
- Age: 60
- Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:17 pm
- Location: Voerde, Germany
- Contact:
-
- Professional-Met
- Posts: 11430
- Age: 35
- Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:00 pm
- Location: School: Florida State University (Tallahassee, FL) Home: St. Petersburg, Florida
- Contact:
- JamesFromMaine2
- Category 4
- Posts: 989
- Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:38 am
- Location: Portland Maine USA
- Contact:
The system appears to have at least some cirulation. But its moving eastward in has to deal with shear.
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastfullir.html
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastfullir.html
0 likes
- AJC3
- Admin
- Posts: 4029
- Age: 61
- Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:04 pm
- Location: Ballston Spa, New York
- Contact:
TheEuropean wrote:Flare up again?
This area of convection developed a little to the northwest of the dissipating (dissipated?) circulation that we had been tracking for several days. Recent SSMI data doesn't show much, and as someone else pointed out, neither does QS.
MHO is that the convection is simply a jet divergence aided t-storm complex, since upper level winds appear to be quite strong and prohibitive for spinup of another circ.
0 likes
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: StPeteMike and 48 guests