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#21 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:20 pm

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^^Here is a map of the AZ desert areas. the brighter yellow (or orange) color represents "Southern desert shrublands" and the pale yellow (peach) colored area represents the "northern desert shrublands". This map shows that AZ is basically all a desert unless in the mountainous regions where it is technically not considered a desert due to average rainfalls/snowfalls of a much higher level.^^
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#22 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:21 pm

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^^Here is a map of AZ average rainfall^^
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#23 Postby azsnowman » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:41 pm

LOL @ Extremeweather guy :ggreen: Thanks bud!

As you see......I am JUST inside the 28-32" range

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#24 Postby azsnowman » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:42 pm

Steve, just what did you mean by NOT posting huh? :ggreen:

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#25 Postby azsnowman » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:44 pm

One MORE thing........I have received a TRACE of rain today, poor weather station, it doesn't know WHAT to do! RH is OVER 70%, dewpoints at 39°, first time since 9 October that it's had to register ANY moisture :ggreen:

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#26 Postby TT-SEA » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:45 pm

I did not say Dennis lived in a desert. I meant Arizona was mostly a desert.

His island of wetness is surrounded by desert.

His island of wetness is subject to crazy swings because it is at a lower latitude.

When the jet stream is too far north for the Arizona desert... it will be too far north for Dennis as well.

You play with fire... and you're gonna get burned.

Feast or famine down there. And its going to get worse with global warming (whatever the cause).
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#27 Postby Aslkahuna » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:49 am

I'm in the 16-20 inch area-for the record, the official classifiction of the climate Regime in Cochise County is Arid Savannah Grassland and not desert. Have to be careful about blaming the current drought on Global Warming because it is at this point in time merely a manifestation of the 20 year Drought cycle in the Western US that has been traced back as far back as they can go with tree rings, etc. It was a 40 year long version of what we are having that drove the Anasazi out. Maybe if we can get this one to last that long we can drive all of the people in Phoenix back east where they belong.

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#28 Postby O Town » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:45 am

Aslkahuna wrote: Of course, we can have any number of threads and pages about how strong Katrina's winds were in NOLA but musn't have too many posts about what's happening (or not happening) out in the West.

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I heard that! This winter weather forum would not be the same without Azdust/snowmans threads. I think his former name speaks for itself. :D
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#29 Postby azsnowman » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:59 pm

http://www.azcentral.com

High country lacks snowpack for first time since 1930s

Shaun McKinnon
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 3, 2006 12:00 AM


High in the San Francisco Peaks outside Flagstaff, in a small basin 10,000 feet above sea level, a survey team scouting for snow this week found just 4 inches where there should have been more than 50.

Four very lonely inches.

Almost everywhere else across the state's high country, the teams found nothing but dead leaves and parched pine trees on days that usually mark winter's peak, alarming new evidence that Arizona is in the throes of its driest winter on record, perhaps the driest in centuries. advertisement




How dry is it? At 29 of 34 snow measuring sites monitored by the U.S. Natural Resources Conservation Service in Arizona, there was no snow Wednesday. That's the barest the survey sites have been going back to the earliest records in the late 1930s.

"Arizona is off the bottom of the charts," said Tom Pagano, a hydrologist for the service in Portland, Ore. "This year is unlike anything we've ever seen before."

Snowpack is critical for Arizona's water supplies, feeding the streams and reservoirs that supply Phoenix, Flagstaff and dozens of other communities. Those reservoirs have been buffeted by a regional drought entering its 11th year, a stretch punctuated four years ago by what many scientists thought was the driest year ever.

"We were all thinking that 2002 had been a once-in-a-lifetime event, that it would never happen again," Pagano said. "So far, this year is worse than 2002."

Warmer, drier weather in February has even taken a toll on the Colorado River, which had been headed for a second above-normal runoff year. The snowpack on the river dropped to 94 percent of average for March 1. Forecasters now expect flow into Lake Powell, the key measure of the river's production, to reach just 91 percent of average, which will slow recovery from record-low water levels on the river.

The effects of the snowless winter began spreading across Arizona months ago and will only worsen. Forests are dry, with fire danger at summertime levels in some areas. Wild animals are struggling for food and water. Dry conditions have fouled the Valley's air since November. Many rural communities will begin to feel water shortages by the end of spring.

Last year's wet winter is all that stands between some areas of the state and immediate disaster. The six reservoirs operated by the Valley's Salt River Project still hold abundant supplies, more than enough to avoid any delivery cutbacks this year. Last winter was so productive that the Verde River, which is fed partly by springs, is flowing at higher levels now than it would be otherwise.

"If we hadn't had a wet winter last year, we would be in so much trouble now in regard to water supply, I wouldn't even want to speculate," said Dallas Reigle, senior hydrologist for SRP.

Though scientists will debate why this drought has deepened, they know how: The winter storm track veered sharply to the north. Today marks the 136th consecutive day without rain at Sky Harbor International Airport. The November-through-February period was the driest on record for Phoenix. Flagstaff has received just 1.6 inches of snow since fall; the average is 72.5 inches.

"We just never had a snowpack," said Larry Martinez, water supply specialist for the conservation service's Phoenix office. "It just never developed."

Fallout of the dry winter is readily apparent across the state and in your back yard. Among them:


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"Dry" hardly begins to describe the conditions in the forests, where moisture levels in trees hover near what you'd find in the lumber stacks at Home Depot. Couple that with record-high energy-potential readings and it's clear why forest managers are nervous.

But their fears are not embedded in forecasts. Fires started burning in February and so far have charred more than 55,000 acres in Arizona and New Mexico, including about 4,200 acres in the "February" fire outside Payson. Those numbers are hard to compare because typically, no one is even keeping track this early in the season.

The U.S. Forest Service imposed restrictions in four areas last month, the earliest the agency had ever taken such steps. Limits on campfires, chainsaws and other activities were put into place in the Apache-Sitgreaves, Coconino and Tonto national forests from the Mogollon Rim down to the Pinal Mountains near Globe.

Forest closures are possible by spring, but forest officials say they will move in steps as conditions warrant.

What's out there now is a nasty combination of drought-weakened pine trees similar to what fueled the deadly 2002 wildfire season and dead or dying scrub that sprouted after last winter's rain and snow, feeding fires that swept the lower elevations north and east of Phoenix.

"It's like 2002 with grass," said Chuck Maxwell, a fire meteorologist for the Southwest Interagency Coordination Center in Albuquerque. "You could try to build a fire with 1-inch sticks and logs, and that would be 2002, and then stack a bunch of newspaper and dry grass underneath, and that's what we have now. It's pretty much textbook."

High on the list of threats are multiple outbreaks, large fires burning in more than one region at the same time.

"Conditions are uniformly this way across the whole Southwest," Maxwell said. "We could have fires everywhere in all regimes right now."
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#30 Postby TT-SEA » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:11 pm

Tough deal down there.

I would not want to be there this summer.

Feast or famine. Global warming is going to cause massive problems for you down there. You are going to see lots of extremes.

They thought 2002 could not be repeated and now this year is worse. In between you had a record wet winter.

Feast or famine. Get used to it and accept it.

Hopefully there will still be a forest around you by the time the feast returns!!
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#31 Postby Aslkahuna » Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:29 pm

A drought period does not mean that you can't slip a wet year in there once in a while. The 2004 rainfall was our best since 2000 which featured some really wet months. It's the longer term trend that counts and since 1996 I have accumulated a total rainfall deficit of nearly 40 inches at my house which is over two years worth of normal rainfall (17.58in). What I fear is that we will see a drying out of the monsoon due to drought feedback which would be bad. This drought can not be blamed upon Global Warming in any respect since it is, as I have mentioned before, a manisfestation of the 20 year drought cycle that has plagued the West since the time of of the Native Americans (who arrived here LONG before the Industrial Age) some of whom built cities and expansive irrigation systems only to abandon them in the face of a prolonged drought even longer and more severe than the current one. Somehow, though, I don't recall that they had cars before the time of Columbus.

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#32 Postby TT-SEA » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:16 pm

There is no doubt that global warming is happening.

And it will exaggerate the extremes in your weather more than most places.

Sure its happened before.

But this will be more extreme.

It will get worse.
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#33 Postby azsnowman » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:31 pm

TT-SEA wrote:Tough deal down there.

I would not want to be there this summer.

Feast or famine. Global warming is going to cause massive problems for you down there. You are going to see lots of extremes.

They thought 2002 could not be repeated and now this year is worse. In between you had a record wet winter.

Feast or famine. Get used to it and accept it.

Hopefully there will still be a forest around you by the time the feast returns!!


BTW TTSEA.........you didn't answer my question, "Did you or did you NOT complain as MUCH last year when Seattle was experiencing the same drought conditions?" Can that be blamed on Global Warming?..........*A hush falls over the crowd.................crickets chirping in the background*

Dennis 8-)
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#34 Postby Aslkahuna » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:08 pm

It's ALWAYS been feast or Famine in the West-I'm a born Westerner so I know. The point that I've been trying to make (without much success) is that this cycle has been going on for millenia and it HAS been MUCH worse in the past so the occurrence of the drought at this time can not be blamed on GW-should be noted that I anticipated just this very thing occurring and said so in interviews with the local newspaper back before it started and in the early days of it and that was based upon my knowledge of the long term cycle.

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#35 Postby TT-SEA » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:43 am

No.

No... I did not complain as much.

But then Seattle did not go the entire winter without a drop of rain. We had 20+ inches of rain. And that was a drought. We have a safety net up here. But even here... global warming is going to cause problems.

If I were in your position I would be moving... not complaining.

The feast or famine situation is becoming more dramatic in the southern part of the country. Arizona is ground zero right now.

Some rain next week might make the fire situation even more dire by May.
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#36 Postby Aslkahuna » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:09 am

The fire situation can't really get more dire than it is now with the fuel moisture in the trees equivalent to that of kiln dried lumber already. Only the absence of really strong wind events have prevented a major blowup but the windy season begins this month and lasts trough June.

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#37 Postby TT-SEA » Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:19 am

I watched this drought cycle for 6 years in San Diego.

Then my whole world went up in flames. San Diego County became an inferno in October of 2003.

That was the end for us. We needed to move some place with more consistent rain and snow.

We have ceratinly had enough of both this winter.

But even in a drought... the situation in Western Washington never gets as dire as it does in the SW.

I can honestly say that if I was living where Dennis lives I would be moving... not complaining. I speak from experience.
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#38 Postby azsnowman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:47 am

TT-SEA wrote:No.

No... I did not complain as much.

But then Seattle did not go the entire winter without a drop of rain



And THERE you have it.......I rest my case your Honor, this statement speaks for itself 8-)

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#39 Postby TT-SEA » Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:06 pm

Still... I would be packing and not complaining!!
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#40 Postby azsnowman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:50 pm

TT-SEA wrote:Still... I would be packing and not complaining!!


You betcha........I'll be packing and moving to Seattle :fools:

Naaa.....this is HOME regardless of "Global Warming" and complaining........it's my style along with EVERYONE who watches, follows, records the weather, it's simply human nature "Touche!" 8-)

Dennis :fools:
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