Unnamed Subtropical Storm?

[Epsilon_Fan]

wow, I must be blind but I see no footnotes on the first page... I'm curious to see this but the first page only talks of Zeta...

sorry, I will feel dumb when I find it

[senorpepr]

It's the very last thing on the first page...

[Epsilon_Fan]

1st page:

Zeta was the 27th and final named storm in the Atlantic during 2005, establishing the
record for the most named storms in one year in that basin. It was the second-latest tropical
storm to form in the Atlantic basin, only six hours earlier than Hurricane Alice (1954) that also
became a tropical storm on 30 December. Zeta and Alice are the only two Atlantic tropical
cyclones on record to cross from one calendar year to the next. Zeta spent about one week
moving erratically in a general westward direction over the subtropical waters of the central
Atlantic, and it did not affect land.

a. Synoptic History
The origins of Tropical Storm Zeta can be traced back to the interaction between a
weakening frontal boundary and an upper-tropospheric trough. By 28 December, the upper-level
trough had cut off and evolved into an upper-level low centered about 650 n mi west-northwest
of the Cape Verde Islands. A surface trough, the remains of a weakening front, was oriented
from southwest to northeast and lay beneath the upper-level low. On 29 December, just
northwest of the center of the upper-level low in an area of upper-level difluence, a closed low
formed along the surface trough about 675 n mi northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Late on
the 29th, thunderstorm activity increased near the center of this low, and it is estimated that the
system gained sufficient organization to be designated a tropical depression at 0000 UTC 30
December. The “best track” chart of the tropical cyclone’s path is given in Fig. 1, with the wind
and pressure histories shown in Figs. 2 and 3, respectively. The best track positions and
intensities are listed in Table 1.
Convective banding quickly developed and wrapped around the low-level center early on
30 December, and Zeta became a 40-kt tropical storm by 0600 UTC. Initially, Zeta moved
slowly northwestward around a mid-level low to its southwest. Situated beneath weak
anticyclonic flow aloft, the tropical storm strengthened to 45 kt by 1200 UTC that day. A weak
low- to mid-level ridge to its north forced Zeta to turn westward on 31 December, but upperlevel
westerlies slowed its forward motion to a 2-kt crawl. Although Zeta reached an intensity of
50 kt early that day, westerly shear later stripped Zeta of nearly all its deep convection in the
hours just before the new year. Convection soon rebounded, however, and although westerly
shear persisted, Zeta was located beneath an upper-level diffluent region with stronger shear to
the north and south. Zeta also was probably too shallow of a system to be substantially
weakened by shear associated with strong winds in the upper troposphere. These factors allowed
Zeta to resume a slow strengthening trend as it turned toward the southwest on 1 January, still

[KWT]

Your quitye right, its not there now Epsilon_Fan though it was last night, they must have decided not to upgrade it afterall then?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Yeah thats might be why. We blown there secret.

[HURAKAN]

Yeah thats might be why. We blown there secret.

NOTHING PUBLIC IS SECRET!

[NONAME]

Can someone tell me what the zeta report said about the unnamed storm. Thanks.

[HURAKAN]

Can someone tell me what the zeta report said about the unnamed storm. Thanks.

Yesterday when Zeta's final report by the NHC came up it also said and confirmed by NHC's James Franklin, that an unnamed subtropical storm had been identified by the NHC. Now in Zeta's report that information has dissapear and I don't know why.

[NCHurricane]

Ok, I'm not going crazy then.

[weatherwoman132]

it was there before, I saw it...I think....lol

[JonathanBelles]

i saw it too

[RattleMan]

Just if anyone wants to know what it looked like before it was removed:

http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... ote8yw.png

[weatherwoman132]

thanks...rattleman...*grins* I like that.

[HURAKAN]

EVERYONE WAIT, HOLD THE CHEERING THAT THE SUBTROPICAL STORM CASE IS STILL NOT SET IN STONE!

JUST GOT THIS FROM FRANKLIN:

Dear Sandy,

It appears that I spoke a bit too soon about the unnamed subtropical storm. I have been informed that a final decision on this system is still pending. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Regards,

James
--
James L. Franklin

Hurricane Specialist, National Hurricane Center
NOAA/NWS/Tropical Prediction Center
11691 SW 17th Street, Miami FL 33165

Email: James.Franklin@noaa.gov
Ph: 305-229-4475
Fax: 305-553-1901

[KWT]

Yeah I suspected that might be the case Hurakan, thats probably why they removed that from the Zeta report.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I knew this was coming. I think they should upgrade the April subtropical storm to..But I will not be holding my breath.

[senorpepr]

Sandy,

That's awesome that he took the time to correct his e-mail to you. That's dedication to customer service!

[HURAKAN]

Sandy,

That's awesome that he took the time to correct his e-mail to you. That's dedication to customer service!

I can't agree more. Sincerely, I was surprised and amazed that he took his time to correct his initial statement.

[Jim Cantore]

Could be Subtropical depression 22 getting upgraded?

Unlikely as the report for that system is already out and keeps it at 30kts.

30kts or 130kts, that thing annoyed me for 8 days

[benny]

What April system are you referring to? Please attach a sat pix if you have it and the dates it looked the best.

I don't know if there is a precedent for going back and numbering an unnumbered depression (the Carolinas system) that was mentioned a little earlier. Aren't 30 systems enough? The system that hyperstorm brought up is the correct one i think.. if memory serves it brought gales to the Azores.