Official 2005 retired names and 2011 list of names

[AussieMark]

I know full well what it caused here. However, I did not beleive that it should have been retired for its USA damage since that was due to it impacting such a large area, but for what it did to places such as Cat Island. It's like Wilma should nto be retired for what it did to Florida, but for what it did to the Yucatan

was Floyd primarily retired based on the flooding over a large area in North Carolina or the extreme damage wreaked upon Bahamas with cat 3/4 winds

[senorpepr]

Category five "fish" hurricanes have been recorded while not being retired. Stregth and/or being unusual will not earn a storm retirement. As for storms being retired to avoid confusion... as per WMO guidance, they are retired to avoid legal confusion. Furthermore, after 10 years, "retired" names can technically be reused.

[tornadotony]

I know full well what it caused here. However, I did not beleive that it should have been retired for its USA damage since that was due to it impacting such a large area, but for what it did to places such as Cat Island. It's like Wilma should nto be retired for what it did to Florida, but for what it did to the Yucatan

was Floyd primarily retired based on the flooding over a large area in North Carolina or the extreme damage wreaked upon Bahamas with cat 3/4 winds

To answer Mark's question, it was retired due to the flooding in NC.

Derek, that make NO sense. Damage is damage, period. If we follow your reasoning ad verbatim, Katrina wouldn't be retired (if she didn't kill 1400 people, most indirectly) because her $75 billion in damage was spread out over 90,000 square miles. It's ludacrious that you think that $10 billion in damage is not worthy for retirement. Before this year, Frances was the 4th COSTLIEST HURRICANE ON RECORD! Not only that, but a LARGE storm that has a LARGE damage envelop affects a LARGE number of people. There is no logic behind your reasoning.

[Derek Ortt]

you are completely missing what I said

Katrina caused severe devastation over a large area. Frances caused minor to moderate damage to very expensive real estate over a large area. It's 9 billion is no match for Ritas 10 billion, which wiped many towns off the map, perhaps permanently

That said, Frances obliterated Cat Island and other islands in the C Bahamas, which is why it would have been retired regardless

[HurricaneBill]

I think what Derek is saying is that the hardest hit area is what the storm is retired for.

For example, Hugo was retired because of the damage it did in Puerto Rico.

Despite destructive hits in the U.S. and Canada, it was Haiti that requested Hurricane Hazel be retired in 1954.

[gatorcane]

We should have a rule as follows:

A storm name is retired if it is a hurricane that causes $X amount of damage and/or Y amount of deaths.

where X is an amount to be determined say $10 million and Y is a number (e.g. 500)

It doesn't matter for what country or area it was retired for or the size or intensity. The above statement is objective and clear.

[f5]

Charley was 15 billion despite his small size he hit a high price Real estate are Rita cost a lttile less but Rita's surge wiped towns like Cameron off the map for good.the same way Katrina wiped waveland off the map

[tornadotony]

I think what Derek is saying is that the hardest hit area is what the storm is retired for.

For example, Hugo was retired because of the damage it did in Puerto Rico.

Despite destructive hits in the U.S. and Canada, it was Haiti that requested Hurricane Hazel be retired in 1954.

Storms should not be looked at as being retired for damage in one specific area, but there effects as a whole.

Also, do you have sources for your last two bits of information?

[HurricaneHunter914]

>>It seems as if some are still thinking that only USA landfalls enable a storm to be retired

Hey I take that rather offensive Derek, I never thought that only the USA retires hurricanes. When I heard jeanne killed 3,000 in Haiti I immediately thought it was to be retired. It seems as if someone thinks he knows what happens in my head.

[StormScanWx]

We should have a rule as follows:

A storm name is retired if it is a hurricane that causes $X amount of damage and/or Y amount of deaths.

where X is an amount to be determined say $10 million and Y is a number (e.g. 500)

It doesn't matter for what country or area it was retired for or the size or intensity. The above statement is objective and clear.

Hurricanes are not the only tropical systems that are retired. Tropical Storm Allison (2001) was retired.

[gatorcane]

Yes I modified it and made it even more general...:

We should have a rule as follows:

A storm name is retired if it is a storm or hurricane that causes $X amount of damage and/or Y amount of deaths.

where X is an amount to be determined say $10 million and Y is a number (e.g. 500)

It doesn't matter for what country or area it was retired for or the size or intensity. The above statement is objective and clear.

[StormScanWx]

Any news today, cycloneye??

[AndrewSmith2500]

What do you think of the names Derek, Donald, Elizabeth, Emma, Katie, Krista, Rosie, Ruth, Scott, Stephen, Whitney and Willow? I like all names for people.

[brunota2003]

make me go to the NHC FAQ to settle the debate...I say your all wrong in some way:

In the Atlantic basin, tropical cyclone names are "retired" (that is, not to be used again for a new storm) if it is deemed to be quite noteworthy because of the damage and/or deaths it caused. This is to prevent confusion with a historically well-known cyclone with a current one in the Atlantic basin.

haha...i beat you all... j/k...not going to be a jerk tonight...but that is straight from the NHC FAQ...

[senorpepr]

make me go to the NHC FAQ to settle the debate...I say your all wrong in some way:

In the Atlantic basin, tropical cyclone names are "retired" (that is, not to be used again for a new storm) if it is deemed to be quite noteworthy because of the damage and/or deaths it caused. This is to prevent confusion with a historically well-known cyclone with a current one in the Atlantic basin.

haha...i beat you all... j/k...not going to be a jerk tonight...but that is straight from the NHC FAQ...

To piggy-back on what you said... this is also NHC policy (from the NOAA's website and from the WMO's website)

Whenever a hurricane has had a major impact, any country affected by the storm can request that the name of the hurricane be "retired" by agreement of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Retiring a name actually means that it cannot be reused for at least 10 years, to facilitate historic references, legal actions, insurance claim activities, etc. and avoid public confusion with another storm of the same name. If that happens, a like gender name is selected in English, Spanish or French for Atlantic Storms.

[StormScanWx]

Well we didn't find out the new names/retired names today, let's see if they'll come Monday. I assume the WMO meeting won't meet over the weekend, but I may be wrong.

[cycloneye]

Any news today, cycloneye??

No news so far today but I know that the conference is going on until tommorow so we can expect a decision about the names between today and tommorow.However I am close to the hotel where they are but it's a close session so there is no information that I can get.Only when they do a press conference we will know.

[OuterBanker]

"

Whenever a hurricane has had a major impact, any country affected by the storm can request that the name of the hurricane be "retired" by agreement of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Retiring a name actually means that it cannot be reused for at least 10 years, to facilitate historic references, legal actions, insurance claim activities, etc. and avoid public confusion with another storm of the same name. If that happens, a like gender name is selected in English, Spanish or French for Atlantic Storms."

Tks Senor. So it really only means a minimum of 10 yrs. In reality Andrew could reappear. Also make sense for insurance purposes, lord knows if some of Andrews claims are still active. I'm sure Katrina will be litigated for years to come.

And without a doubt we will see more names retired. With the ever expanding and overbuilding of coastal areas the potential for catastrophic damages increases each year.

[StormScanWx]

I am SO EAGER!

[cycloneye]

Breaking news=I just saw a short interview of a TV weather guy here with Lixon Avila who is here at the meeting with Max Mayfield.Avila said that all about the names haved been decided and early tommorow the list of names retired of the 2005 season as well the list for 2011 will be released.