Major tornado outbreak next Thursday?

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#41 Postby snoopj » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:41 pm

wx247 wrote:I am not trying to be rude, but you have to realize the human side of the storm, too. If you forget that... you are forgetting the most important part of the whole equation.


Exactly. I got yelled at a few years back on this board for ripping apart someone who called a storm system "mundane", because it didn't drop enough tornadoes. This same storm system killed 2+ people 40-50 miles north of Kansas City. They were trying to protect their children. If there's one complaint I have about this board, is that sometimes people forget that side of the equation.

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#42 Postby wx247 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:09 pm

snoopj wrote:
wx247 wrote:I am not trying to be rude, but you have to realize the human side of the storm, too. If you forget that... you are forgetting the most important part of the whole equation.


Exactly. I got yelled at a few years back on this board for ripping apart someone who called a storm system "mundane", because it didn't drop enough tornadoes. This same storm system killed 2+ people 40-50 miles north of Kansas City. They were trying to protect their children. If there's one complaint I have about this board, is that sometimes people forget that side of the equation.

--snoopj


I do remember your post! :)
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#43 Postby WaitingForSiren » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:27 pm

Although this storm wont come close to the Super Outbreak, as far as the plains states are concerned it could become the super outbreak of the plains.
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#44 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:33 pm

I think this is going to be huge. I say 100 plus confirmed tornadoes.
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#45 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:36 pm

I'm thinking the area covered by this outbreak will be incredible.
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#46 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:41 pm

For a Day 3 forecast, to have so much confidence is frightening.

The area stretches from the upper Great Lakes all the way to the Gulf Coast. Models are consistently showing a potential severe to catastrophic tornado outbreak. The Level 3 is only because of the distance out; it will almost certainly rise to a Level 4 or 5 tomorrow as the maximum risk area is figured out.

I can definitely see 100+ confirmed tornadoes, 200+ reported tornadoes and 1,000+ total severe weather reports on Thursday alone. It doesn't take to account what Friday will bring (that is too far out to figure out), especially if this is an all-nighter.

If you aren't up to speed on tornado drills and safety, now is the time! This would be like August 26-27 on the Gulf Coast ahead of Katrina. Practice saves lives!!!

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#47 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:44 pm

Your already used the April tornadoe outbreak of 2006 up for the last outbreak. What will you use to name this one?
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#48 Postby CrazyC83 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Your already used the April tornadoe outbreak of 2006 up for the last outbreak. What will you use to name this one?


It will all be re-assessed. It could change to the areas most affected. Of course, it all depends on if it actually happens, which is still not certain. A change in the patterns could make the difference between just small-scale activity and Super Outbreak II.
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#49 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:31 pm

This is a little alarming, I hope it doesn't pan out.
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#50 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:47 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:For a Day 3 forecast, to have so much confidence is frightening.

The area stretches from the upper Great Lakes all the way to the Gulf Coast. Models are consistently showing a potential severe to catastrophic tornado outbreak. The Level 3 is only because of the distance out; it will almost certainly rise to a Level 4 or 5 tomorrow as the maximum risk area is figured out.

I can definitely see 100+ confirmed tornadoes, 200+ reported tornadoes and 1,000+ total severe weather reports on Thursday alone. It doesn't take to account what Friday will bring (that is too far out to figure out), especially if this is an all-nighter.

If you aren't up to speed on tornado drills and safety, now is the time! This would be like August 26-27 on the Gulf Coast ahead of Katrina. Practice saves lives!!!

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I hope you are right! I would love to see some severe weather down toward Houston!
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#51 Postby conestogo_flood » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:56 pm

Super outbreak on the plains?!
100+ tornadoes?!

My God!

If you know someone who doesn't own a weather radio yet, tell them to go to Wal-Mart tonight, out there in that area!

When will the main activity occur? Afternoon/Evening?
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#52 Postby senorpepr » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:27 pm

CrazyC83 wrote:Right now, it is looking like this could be REALLY bad. While the SPC has only shown a slight risk, it is at the top end of it - 30% and hatched - over a very large area, which is rare for a Day 3 forecast. This could be Super Outbreak II at this rate...


FYI... SPC can only forecast as high as slight risk on the day 3 forecast. Also, if I'm not mistaken, they can only forecast as high as moderate on the day 2 forecast.


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#53 Postby Gorky » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:31 pm

They can forecast a high on Day 2, and a Mod on Day 3, but it requires high probabilities. This is a dynamic system so it can change easily so they are unlikely to be able to put a hatched 45% risk out which is necessary for a moderate on day 3.

The full details are here:

http://spc.noaa.gov/misc/SPC_Prob_Conv_ ... 60214.html
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#54 Postby senorpepr » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:33 pm

Gorky wrote:They can forecast a high on Day 2, and a Mod on Day 3, but it requires high probabilities. This is a dynamic system so it can change easily so they are unlikely to be able to put a hatched 45% risk out which is necessary for a moderate on day 3.

The full details are here:

http://spc.noaa.gov/misc/SPC_Prob_Conv_ ... 60214.html


Yeah, reading that again refreshes the "direction" they have. Although they can forecast what you said, they really aren't allowed to without a huge fight.
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#55 Postby wx247 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:34 pm

So, I am curious as to others thoughts on this Thursday... senorpepr, what is your take on the upcoming setup?
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#56 Postby Beam » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:57 pm

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The moderate risk area is pretty much a given. Even the SPC says to expect higher probabilities, they'd just have a hard time getting them out today, like senorpepr pointed out. High risk is possible but not certain or even likely at this stage, only time will tell.

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Higher probabilities than 30% definitely exist within the outlook area, but the placement is questionable. I'll wait 24 hours for some more GFS data and the SPC's day 2 outlook for Thursday before I try anything more specific than this.
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#57 Postby simplykristi » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:01 pm

I looked at NOAA's forecast for KC on Thursday. SOme storms could be severe Thursday evening.

I love a good thunderstorm and tracking storms but I don't wish death, injuries and destruction upon anyone.

Kristi
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#58 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:06 pm

I'm looking at this in this looks huge. I say a thousand plus hail and wind reports with 100 plus tornadoes.
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#59 Postby NWIASpotter » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:51 pm

Not to fuel this fire of people wishing for super outbreaks and people going way overboard then what they should be. People, calm down.. Event is still 2 1/2 days out, plenty of things can change and you won't know how big of an event it is until its' over... Latest reports show that the low is stronger coming on shore than what the models predicted, which could lead to an even stronger system once it makes it onto the plains. Watch tomorrow mornings runs to see what they do with the system as they should have data from the whole system by then..
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#60 Postby senorpepr » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:59 pm

wx247 wrote:So, I am curious as to others thoughts on this Thursday... senorpepr, what is your take on the upcoming setup?


I'm still looking at the scenarios...
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