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#1101 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu May 11, 2006 2:45 am

PS - during the Pearl's Dharma Initiative Orientation film, the man stated the two people recording activities could return to the village. His language was garbled and the tape messed up, but I'm pretty sure he said "village". Did you all catch that? So that means on this island there's a real village? Now of course it could be underground but still, this island isn't as remote as they all think it is. But they'll never get off....


Yeah he did say village.
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#1102 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 11, 2006 6:40 am

Thought so Nathan - thanks! Here are two new TV Guide Lost articles:

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Ausiello Report
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Why Lost Killed Libby

It's confession time again: I've known for weeks that Lost was going to send Libby (Cynthia Watros) off to the big island in the sky at the end of last night's episode, and, just like with Ana Lucia, I kept my big, spoiler-obsessed trap closed. And once again, my restraint has yielded a pretty nifty reward — an exclusive postmortem courtesy of exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse!

Ausiello: Why did you kill off Libby?
Carlton Cuse: We felt like we had run out of story for her. It happens. While we did develop the romance with her and Hurley, we didn't see enough in the way of avenues for where to go with that character. And we were starting to think about what sort of stories we were going to be telling for the characters in Season 3, and we just didn't have enough for Libby that we were excited about. That was on one side. On the other side, we thought, well, shooting Ana Lucia is going to be dramatic, but what will really make it incredible for the audience is that it'll be completely surprising if we shoot Libby, too. And it would be enhanced by the fact that Ana Lucia is not a particularly sympathetic character. But if we added Michael shooting Libby also, who is a very sympathetic character, that would really ratchet up the emotional stakes of the rest of the season.
Damon Lindelof: And all of this was obviously, first and foremost, the idea that Libby's got this mysterious backstory, of which we've only given you the tip of the iceberg. We know she's spent some time in the mental institution with Hurley, and the idea of killing her before she had an opportunity to explain how she got there, and letting the audience... we have a master plan for how we're going to tell that story, but it's all posthumous. You'll start to learn Libby's moves through flashbacks over the course of the next season. So we're not done with Cynthia, but Libby is dead.

Ausiello: So we'll see Cynthia next season?
Damon: You'll see her in the [May 24] finale, in fact.

Ausiello: But will we see her next season?
Damon: That's our plan.

Ausiello: Were you pissed off that news of her CBS pilot leaked? It seemed like a repeat of what went on last summer when the trades speculated that Maggie Grace might do X-Men 3, and then she was killed off a couple of months later.
Carlton: We were trying to be helpful to Cynthia as an actress, because she is a wonderful person and we wanted her to have a chance at a job on another show. And an unfortunate side effect of that was that people [interpreted that as], "Well, obviously that means something is up about her time on Lost." It's unfortunate, but I guess at the end of the day, hopefully it didn't get too spoiled in the press, and, more importantly, we gave the actress a fighting chance to get a role on a show for next year. It was important to us that, if we were going to kill her off, we also try to support her, just as her friends and [out of respect] for her desire to get another job.
Damon: It's the price you pay as a producer 'cause you have a choice, and the choice is, essentially, you can force an actor to sit out an entire season...
Carlton: ... by exercising our exclusivity.
Damon: Yeah, by saying, "You're not allowed to go out for other stuff until we formally tell you that we're not picking you up," or you can be a human being about it. And although we anticipated the possibility of this getting out, it seemed like a no-brainer. At the end of the day, a story running in The Hollywood Reporter is one thing, but once they start talking about it on Entertainment Tonight and in TV Guide, which have much [broader audiences], then it's officially spoiled. Like, if my mom calls me and says, "I heard Cynthia is leaving the show," then I know that it's been spoiled. You have a readership that reads Ask Ausiello on the Web that is vastly different — those are people who are seeking spoilers. As opposed to someone who picks up USA Today and reads, "Cynthia Watros got a CBS pilot! What does that mean for Lost?" Then it's like, now suddenly 10 million people know.

Ausiello: How did Cynthia take the news?
Carlton: She was sad. I think it's really hard. When we make those calls they're incredibly hard calls to make. I think, obviously, people like working on the show. It's not a bad job to be living in Hawaii and working on a successful television series. Truthfully, she did take it kind of hard, which motivated us to help her get another job.
Damon: And also, it happened at a time when we were really writing to her. She was stepping up her game. We had just put the script out for "Dave," in which she was heavily featured and that relationship with Hurley was starting to develop, and in response to the awesome work she was doing, that sort of made us feel even more emboldened to go ahead and execute the double murder because we thought her death would really resonate with the audience.

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May 10, 2006: Ask A Simple Question...
get a convoluted answer. But I would expect nothing less from Lost. Mr. Eko has a dream where Ana and his brother want him to help John by getting him to find the location of the ? mark hatch from the blacklight map. I slow-mo'd the funky little flash sequence from Eko's dream, but it didn't seem to be anything new, just images of his brother, the plane, the crash, the dharma logos, the bible... all the stuff that Eko's dealt with in previous episodes. Together the island's oddest couple set out into the jungle under the guise of searching for Henry Gale. Instead they found the Pearl station, and another one of those creepy orientation tapes. Basically it said that they were at a monitoring station and that they were tasked with watching the every movement of the people in another station who had no idea they were under observation and that they had only been told that their job was of the utmost importance. So while John takes this the way that most rational people would — that it is stupid to continue pushing the button as the Hanso people are just experimenting on them — Eko has a different take and says their job is more important than ever. Still not quite sure I get his rationale, but if his dead priest brother told him that in a dream then it must be true.

Interesting facts about the Pearl hatch: There were nine monitors, does that indicate that there are nine other hatches?; the message was copyrighted 1980; the film was all wonky so there are missing moments for sure; Locke sent his sketch up one of those pneumatic tubes... who is going to get that, and is that going to lead to trouble? I guess it depends if Locke and Eko are still considered good by the Others.

In Eko's flashback he was tasked with proving or disproving a miracle. The father of the miracle child was the weird psychic who told Claire she had to raise her own baby. But then he basically admitted to Eko that he was a fraud. How did he know to put Claire on that plane? Oh, and is anyone else thinking that the spooky-eyed back from the dead girl who told Eko that his dead brother had faith in him, might be Jack's half-sister? Her mom was a blonde and could have been the Australian woman fighting with the elder Doctor Shepherd.

Meanwhile in the swan hatch, Michael looked all freaked out when Libby spewed blood. Not because it was gross, but because she might survive to reveal his secret. That parting shot of him against the wall was just downright ominous. Was that supposed to make me think that there was more to Michael's actions than just his desire to get Walt back? Poor Libby, she never even got a backstory. Will we find out why she was in that mental institution in another Hurley flashback? Cynthia Watros does deserve some praise for her dying sequence, her one line of dialogue, "Michael", packed a punch especially with the pained and terrified look on her face. Glad that Sawyer decided not to let her suffer, but Kate knowing where the guns are might not be such a good thing. How funny was it when Kate asked how Ana got the gun from him? But then Hurley went and made me so misty-eyed with his innocent question, "Hey guys... you seen Libby around?" and then his final words to his dying almost-girlfriend, "I'm sorry I forgot the blankets." Sniff. I did find it was a little bit of a slight that Ana's death seemed to be just glossed over by her fellow islanders.

Some other random little things:
— Eko is in amazing shape the way he worked his way up that cliff.
— Eko's fake passport had his birthday as August 23. It seemed to have an issued date of April 16, 2004 and an expiration date of April 15, 2014.
— The number of the house that the psychic guy and his family lived in was 2001.

If you are playing the game, the new Hanso commercial (which was paid for by Sprite... in really tiny letters) offered up a new link. Sublymonal.com. Yeah, I fell for it and the "Lymon" was in cap letters and the Obey command was right out of the "Obey Your Thirst" slogan combined with nice yellow and green designs. I did get the new code, though I could now go for a cool refreshing Sprite now. At first I was annoyed, but then decided I was impressed by the ingenuity of it all. If you want to talk with others playing along with the game, click here.
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#1103 Postby wx247 » Thu May 11, 2006 8:31 am

:cry: :cry: :cry: When you invest so much time into a show only to get a character axed off for "not having any good potential storylines"... What the heck? There was so much potential there with Libby. It makes me wonder if the end will be worth the wait? This is the same thing that turned me off of Days of Our Lives. When they started just killing people for the shock value I turned it off. Boone's death fit, so did Shannon's... even Ana Lucia fits into the plot. What good did it do to shoot Libby? What if it had been Jack that had run in? Would they have killed him? Would you still watch?

Of course, I will keep watching. I love the show. But I have lost what I felt for the show prior to reading the blog above. If they can't see potential in one of the best actresses on the show and see what storyline potential is there, I can't see them really being able to close the deal in the end. I hope they don't pull a Dallas or a Days of our Lives on us.
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#1104 Postby Miss Mary » Tue May 16, 2006 7:11 pm

Aww Garrett, I'm sorry you feel this way. I quit watching Days when Marlena became possessed by the devil. That was my last straw, I couldn't take that show's wacky/horror type storylines. When in fact Days was known for strong, family values! I haven't looked back since.

Would I still watch Lost if Jack was killed? Good question. Part of me says yes, part of me says no. And then my head tells me they'd never kill him off. Glad I made my favorite character the morale center of the show! I didn't do this b/c they wouldn't kill him off (early plans called for his character to die in the pilot, as I'm sure you know), he just jumped out at me as my favorite. Then Kate. Then Hurley. From there's a real mix between Sayid, Claire, Charlie, etc.

I watched Dallas faithfully til the end. I even tolerated the dream season, b/c it brought my favorite Dallas character back into the fold - Bobby. I understood why the writers went to such extremes - they wrote off a vital character, which was not smart. Even if the actor asks for it, you don't do it! I'm sure many shows have learned Dallas' lesson well......




Okay now to a few treats......read this Entertainment Weekly article and then the before they were famous pictures/captions. It's a treat! Check out Josh Holloway's picture......I almost ask Jack who? LOL

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/1 ... index.html

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#1105 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue May 16, 2006 9:37 pm

Things are going to start getting interesting tomorrow night... well, they are already interesting but, come on the war begins and I don't care if they others thing they are good people but, you don't just take people and children.
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#1106 Postby Miss Mary » Wed May 17, 2006 8:01 am

My daughter woke up today and greeted me with - "Happy Lost Day!". Have I created a Lost addict or what? LOL

I'm still shocked at Michael going all postal on us though.......
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#1107 Postby GulfBreezer » Wed May 17, 2006 10:17 am

Do you think it is just coincidence that Libby and Ana Lucia were the ones that got arrested together in Hawaii while filming???????
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#1108 Postby lurkey » Wed May 17, 2006 11:49 am

wx247 wrote::cry: :cry: :cry: When you invest so much time into a show only to get a character axed off for "not having any good potential storylines"... What the heck? There was so much potential there with Libby. It makes me wonder if the end will be worth the wait? This is the same thing that turned me off of Days of Our Lives. When they started just killing people for the shock value I turned it off. Boone's death fit, so did Shannon's... even Ana Lucia fits into the plot. What good did it do to shoot Libby? What if it had been Jack that had run in? Would they have killed him? Would you still watch?

Of course, I will keep watching. I love the show. But I have lost what I felt for the show prior to reading the blog above. If they can't see potential in one of the best actresses on the show and see what storyline potential is there, I can't see them really being able to close the deal in the end. I hope they don't pull a Dallas or a Days of our Lives on us.


Supposedly, Libby will be back next season . . . in flashbacks.

For those upset with re-runs, there will be less re-runs of Lost next season. There will one 7- episode blocks of new episodes of Lost in the Fall and come back in February showing new episodes until May.
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#1109 Postby Brent » Wed May 17, 2006 11:55 am

lurker_from_nc wrote:Supposedly, Libby will be back next season . . . in flashbacks.


She's featured heavily in the season finale next week too.
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#1110 Postby furluvcats » Wed May 17, 2006 11:55 am

I'm excited for tonight!!! Thanks for the links Mary...you always have such great stuff to share with us.....remember I'll be popping on and trying not to read spoilers... :O)
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#1111 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed May 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Here we go... I'm counting the minutes...

1:26 Left...

I just can't wait for those famous words...

"An all new Lost begins now"

Deep voice "Previously on Lost"

oh yeah!!!
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#1112 Postby furluvcats » Wed May 17, 2006 8:31 pm

You guys are sooo lucky to be watching it now...I have 2 hours 28 mins to go!
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#1113 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed May 17, 2006 9:24 pm

ohhh man is all I can say....

I wanna kill michael myself.
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#1114 Postby JQ Public » Wed May 17, 2006 9:29 pm

maybe this experiment has to do with people with dad problems. kate killed hers, sawyers is a criminal like him, jack got his father's license revoked, hugo....? i dont' know about his...is he dead? And then michael and walt=father and son.
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#1115 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed May 17, 2006 10:16 pm

Michael should be burned at the stake, he i nothing but a traitor. I know a son is important, but to put a whole group in danger is wrong. Kill him immediately (which is what Sayid should have done when Michael appraoched him when Sayid knew Michael was a liar)
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#1116 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 18, 2006 6:49 am

I would have posted last night but my daughter had a ton of homework. And we didn't start watching the DVR recording until after 11. I am so tired today but a good tired!!!

Best line of the episode? "We were caught in a net."

Second best line? Sawyer telling Jack he's as close to a friend as he's got. Wow, powerful words there James Ford - Jack looked stunned. I wanted to say - uh, what about Kate?

I want to kill Michael myself. How could he do this? It doesn't seem as if Walt is being traumatized by this, just held captive for some odd reason. I agree, it does seem to center around dad issues. But why do they want Hurley? Because of his unlucky streak? Picking the lotto numbers? What?

And finally, GOD BLESS SAYID! The voice of reason here.......you could tell he was giving in to Michael, only to figure out what the heck is going on. I love Jack, he's my favorite, but clearly he wants to do the right thing, 150% of the time, that he sometimes doesn't question a situation (Michael's story) when he should at least pause and think about it. Sayid does. Of course he's been out of the loop lately so he can be that impartial party, observing from aside.

Locke has major father issues. I wonder why he's not on that list?

That Miss Wacko (whatever her name is) is just flat out creepy. Is she the male in charge?

When we see the Others village finally, did anyone spot fake Henry? At first? This was before he showed up.

And oh, one more thing - I'm glad the writers are finally giving us days/dates to place certain scenes. I wished they had done this all along.....day 34....day 60.

The actor playing Walt seems as if he hasn't aged at all! And I read where the writers/producers were worried he would have a growth spurt.

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#1117 Postby GulfBreezer » Thu May 18, 2006 12:48 pm

Ok, so what is the connection with those on "Freaky Lady's" list??

Jack
Sawyer
Kate
Hurley

Why JUST those 4 and No-One else? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.............

God Bless Sayid!! What do you think the sailboat is all about? What is so special about Walt (take blood form Michael) and why did he say "they are not who they say they are, they are just pretending"?? Is this all one big science experiment on human behavior??
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#1118 Postby wx247 » Thu May 18, 2006 4:11 pm

I think Walt said that because they really don't live in tents. I think that is all just a cover. I think they live much more complexly than that!

Secondly, the lady's name is Ms. Clue. I actually looked it up on wikipedia and it is actually spelled Klugh... very interesting considering Mr. Echo is spelled Eko. Hmm.
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#1119 Postby sunny » Thu May 18, 2006 4:13 pm

I want to know about the "tests" they are doing on Walt.

I thought Ms. Clue's name was kind of ironic as well.
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#1120 Postby Miss Mary » Thu May 18, 2006 5:54 pm

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May 17, 2006: The Chosen Ones
Whoa, does that sailboat belong to the Others? And what do the Others want with Sawyer, Kate, Hurley and Jack? Are they "good"? I'm absolutely baffled and have a bunch of questions racing around in my head, but let me regroup and talk about what we learned tonight.

Michael did help Henry Gale escape in order to get Walt free from the Others. Not a big shock, but it is nice to have something confirmed. Before Michael took off on his jungle trek 13 days earlier, he had a lengthier communication with Walt (or someone posing to be Walt hoping to bait Michael). Walt typed a few things, "OK. no time. come soon?" and "when they take me out, there's huge rocks with a HOLE in the middle by the beach. You'll know when you see them." Yeah, those big rocks were pretty memorable. Michael also had a piece of paper with four names on it, which he burned the first moment he had a chance. Loved Mr. Eko talking to Michael and giving him this talk about the afterlife and forgiveness. It seems pretty clear that he knows that Michael was the one responsible for Ana Lucia's and Libby's death. The only other person to think that the violent acts might be Michael's fault was Sayid. He's more than just another pretty face, he is actually paying attention to the weird actions of his fellow castaways. While he was kidnapped, Michael did see another Dharma logo (it kind of looked like an eight, did anyone get a better look?) and he was questioned by Ms. Klugh (pronounced Clue). She was looking for some answers and Michael had none to give. She wanted to know if Walt ever appeared in places he wasn't supposed to. Huh, like when he was appearing to Shannon? Interesting. Again, not sure what that means, but it is interesting for sure. When the father and son were reunited, Walt told his dad that "they're not who they say they are, they're pretending." Well that explains the beards and such Kate found in the medical hatch... sorta. Are they people posing as the Others who really just work for Hanso? Oh, and Klugh threatened to put Walt in "the room." What bad things happen there?

Other stuff: Eko is on the computer pushing the button every 108 minutes and he looks really excited about it; Charlie has decided to continue building the church even though Eko ditched him; Charlie threw away all of the drugs that were inside the statues of Mary; Charlie and Claire are on speaking and hand-holding terms again; Locke got up and walked off without his crutches, guess this island does have healing properties; Alex wanted to know how Claire was, which was thoughtful; and if you take the vaccine you are supposed to do it every nine days — what the heck kind of vaccine makes you do that? Also, Sawyer told Jack that he and Ana did the rhumba in the jungle before she was murdered, and Michael tried to stop Sayid from coming on their "expedition to recover Walt."

I'm guessing that Sayid follows the four chosen into the jungle after they take off. I can't wait to find out more about that sailboat. Michael did say he wanted a boat if he did what they asked of him... but I'm guessing this one isn't for him. I was worried that the look of shock from the commercials was just Jin and Sun's look when they found out that Michael was back. I wouldn't have put that past those sneaky editors. I'm still really not sure what is going on on this island, but I sure am fascinated by the show and can't wait for next week's two-hour season finale. I'm also hoping that next season will bring more episodes that show flashbacks of life on the island and not just off the island. I really enjoyed the way that tonight's showed the missing days.... It reminded me a lot of the episode that introduced us to the tailies earlier this season, which was one of my favorites as well.

Tonight's Hanso commercial was paid for by Jeep. The site was http://www.letyourcompassbeyourguide.com. I couldn't actually get the site to work, but if you could and you want to talk about it, post your info here.
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