Global warming to necessitate Category 6 designation?

[stormtruth]

It isn't lies or bad reporting. Most scientists do agree that global warming is increased by pollution (man made) at least to a degree. Global Warming should absolutely be on the front page. However, that doesn't mean there should be another hurricane category beyond "catastrophic"

[stormtruth]

To me this is yet another attempt to get Global Warming on the front page and link it to something people worry about. Is it a coincidence that this article was put out the day before the NOAA hurricane outlook was released? Is ther any real news or science beyond the opinion of Greg Holland on that article? No.
MW

People should worry about Global Warming and pollution. What a horrible thing to suggest -- that the environment is something we should not be concerned about.

[x-y-no]

It isn't lies or bad reporting. Most scientists do agree that global warming is increased by pollution (man made) at least to a degree. Global Warming should absolutely be on the front page. However, that doesn't mean there should be another hurricane category beyond "catastrophic"

My issue was not with anthropogenic global warming in general, that is indeed quite well established.

My statement of "poor reporting" referred to the particular claim that "all but a handful of hurricane experts" agree that AGW is causing more intense tropical activity. While there has been some significant research indicating this, there are also valid issues regarding the underlying data sets and the methodology of those studies.

[MGC]

More journalistic hyperbole. Twist the truth to garnish those fear evoking headlines. I am so cynical of the media these days, I take everything they say with a big grain of global warming salt.........MGC

[Brent]

I don't see any point in doing this.

I don't either. If they start having Category 6's... then people won't take a Category 5 as seriously.

[brunota2003]

All it seems like the media is trying to do is scare people...as usual...JMHO

[HurricaneHunter914]

I don't see any point in doing this.

I don't either. If they start having Category 6's... then people won't take a Category 5 as seriously.

And a Cat-4 would just seem like a summer breeze to people!

[cheezyWXguy]

i think its rediculous to call 175-180mph a cat 6...im my opinion if it shud exist it would be 195-200+(which is very unlikely)

[Wthrman13]

I've met Greg Holland, and he's a nice guy, but his opinion (which I respect, seeing as he's one of our current best TC researchers) is one among many in the tropical cyclone research community. There is indeed no consensus on whether GW can be linked with any recent increase in the overall intensity of tropical cyclones, or even whether such an increase is actually real or not. On this point, the article is hopelessly skewed. Given that we have a hard time measuring the intensity of even ongoing tropical cyclones, to try to ascertain the intensities of TC's even 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago, with anything approaching acceptable accuracy, and then to try to determine meaningful statistical trends from that is dubious at best. Current researchers are trying to do just that, and I say good luck to them: it is a hurculean task!

Also, the question about whether GW is occurring or not is totally separate from this one (that GW is causing more frequent and more intense hurricanes), so folks need to keep that in mind.

[MWatkins]

To me this is yet another attempt to get Global Warming on the front page and link it to something people worry about. Is it a coincidence that this article was put out the day before the NOAA hurricane outlook was released? Is ther any real news or science beyond the opinion of Greg Holland on that article? No.
MW

People should worry about Global Warming and pollution. What a horrible thing to suggest -- that the environment is something we should not be concerned about.

I am not suggesting anything of the kind. All I am suggesting is the studies that do support the hurricane link are flawed, and the article provides no real scientific basis for the conclusions it makes between GW and hurricanes.

That is as far as I am willing to go with this discussion. Human contribution to GW is a completely different deal which I am not smart enough to even get into.

MW

[Audrey2Katrina]

and all but a handful of hurricane experts now agree this worsening bears the fingerprints of man-made global warming.

This is patently untrue... most of the credible meteorologists with whom I've checked... including the likes of Dr. Gray, Steve Lyons, and JB, have stated EMPHATICALLY that this is a natural cycle, and IF "global warming" plays any role it is at best MINIMAL... and the "man-made GW" stuff causing increased hurricane activity is just flat out bogus!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Yeah seriously this discussion always ends up the same every time.

LOL sure does!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

When I reached this point:

But because of man-made global warming, most hurricane scientists say now we will probably be getting Category 4 and 5 hurricanes more frequently in the coming decades.

I simply closed the window... This clown is IMHO either an agenda driven person with blinders on, totally ignorant of the facts, or a pathological LIAR.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

It isn't lies or bad reporting. Most scientists do agree that global warming is increased by pollution (man made) at least to a degree. Global Warming should absolutely be on the front page. However, that doesn't mean there should be another hurricane category beyond "catastrophic"

It IS a lie, the way it's being reported there. Believe what you want; but there is not a scintilla of evidence that there exists anything REMOTELY resembling a "consensus" among "most" scientists, acknowledging that AGW is behind increased hurricane activity. (Hence the statement is either ignorant--or a blatant lie... take your pick). Take whichever side of the AGW controversy you will, I have found precious FEW who blame increased hurricane activity on this scenario.

A2K

[Epsilon_Fan]

keep it 1-5... 6 is a little overkill

[MiamiensisWx]

All too often, I'm seeing nothing but hyperbole and bias based on unknowingly political stance from BOTH sides of the argument, even from some members on this board (though I will not mention who). Who else feels this way?

It seems that many these days would rather stand true to their agendas on both sides of the argument and continue to spew political hyperbole just to support their ranting claims. This goes for BOTH sides of the argument on this hot and, too often, political issue.

Yeah seriously this discussion always ends up the same every time.

How true! I completely agree.

Whatever happened to compromise? Since when did it come unpopular to believe in some man-made global warming and, at the same time, to say it is having little - if any - effect on tropical activity? Too many people these days are sticking to their biases on both sides of the argument, in my opinion. How sad and, indeed, rather pathetic at times.

More journalistic hyperbole. Twist the truth to garnish those fear evoking headlines. I am so cynical of the media these days, I take everything they say with a big grain of global warming salt.........MGC

Very true, and I agree, but I have sensed your political bias stance in many of your other posts. I believe man-made global warming is happening, but it's effects are very slight - if any at all - on tropical activity, and that the media is being stupid in the ways many here have talked about. You seem to think that not even SLIGHT man-made global warming is occurring. I agree that it is not much; however, your refusal to believe in slight man-made global warming easily presents your bias, in my opinion. It's rather sad, as I see this too often in the media, as well as on the other side - your side - of the argument.

What a horrible thing to suggest -- that the environment is something we should not be concerned about.

With the exception of a few bad (in my opinion) people, no one here on is topic is saying that caring about the environment is not important. It is! However, it's just that the media is making global warming's effect on tropical activity hyped up, silly, and poor or little evidence, as well as a litany of other curses. I believe slight man-made global warming is occurring, but that it is slight and having very little - if any - effect on tropical activity. However, I think it is worse for ecosystems.

[cheezyWXguy]

keep it 1-5... 6 is a little overkill

In most cases yes but if u get some supercharged hurricane that forms over a hot spot with perfect conditions it could be titled that but its not worth putting on the S.S. scale

[MGC]

CVW, GW is a political juggernaut, like it or not. I respect your and everyone's opinion on GW. Like I have stated on many occasion, I believe the Earth is warming but it is a natural cycle. Hence, I do not believe the AGW argument. Yes, my reasons are political but we can't discuss the political cause and effect here on S2K. I am just sick and tired of nearly every cause on bad weather tied to GW when it is not.........MGC

[mike815]

i think its a great think and i have no problem with it they would be very rare wouldnt be using it every year and who knows maybe it will scare a few people enough to leave i see no problem with it

[Thunder44]

There just isn't much above "catastrophic destruction."

I agree. I believe the Saffir-Simpson Scale is determined by how much damage is caused by the winds. There is really no need to create another category for hurricanes 175mph or greater, no matter how frequent they become.