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#41 Postby Janice » Sat May 13, 2006 5:42 am

Yes, those people raise those birds because they are cheap to feed. They don't take much cost to care for. And the people who do not live close to water and benefit from fish, etc. will really suffer without birds.
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#42 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat May 13, 2006 12:15 pm

Any new news?
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#43 Postby Janice » Sat May 13, 2006 12:55 pm

I just hope and pray we don't get any kind of outbreak here in the US, etc.
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#44 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat May 13, 2006 1:01 pm

I hope in pray I don't see in a few days that there is now 50 new cases with 10 or 15 death. In its spreading human to human.
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#45 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sat May 13, 2006 4:51 pm

So no new news on the possible human to human event?
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#46 Postby conestogo_flood » Sun May 14, 2006 3:32 pm

My county officials just announced last week during Emergency Preparedness Week, that 70,000 people in the county could fall ill with bird flu, and possibly 700-1,000 people could die. There is 500,000 people in this county, all located in 3 cities bunched together. Everyone is so close together here, bird flu would move like a wind. Not to mention 8,000,000 people live in this area too, the Greater Toronto Area. City after city after city. Hardly any rural land left.
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#47 Postby jusforsean » Sun May 14, 2006 4:46 pm

So, all in all I always discuss the posibilities with my friend and our "plan" but what would be a logical and safe plan to ride this out should it occour?Any suggestions from stocking up to how to live etc....
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#48 Postby Cookiely » Sun May 14, 2006 6:19 pm

jusforsean wrote:So, all in all I always discuss the posibilities with my friend and our "plan" but what would be a logical and safe plan to ride this out should it occour?Any suggestions from stocking up to how to live etc....

This is a link I found interesting and informative.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:V5M ... =clnk&cd=1
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/
If you have such an option find a rural place to live for an extended period with lots of supplies.
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#49 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Sun May 14, 2006 6:43 pm

So no new news...I'm starting to think nothing is going to happen.
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#50 Postby TexasStooge » Mon May 15, 2006 7:07 am

Ivory Coast in a song and dance over birdflu

By Peter Murphy

ABIDJAN (Reuters) - Days after bird flu was detected in Ivory Coast, hundreds of people were trembling, flapping their arms and clucking like hens.

But there was no cause for alarm -- the outbreak was confined to dancefloors.

The movements which are now the talk of the town in the West African country are the brainchild of a 21-year-old disc jockey DJ Lewis, who invented a dance making light of the deadly virus -- by imitating a chicken in its death throes during a cull.

"When you kill the chicken this is how it dies," he shouts into the microphone as a Saturday night crowd rose from tables of green and brown beer bottles to watch him demonstrate the moves, some trying to imitate him while others would just laugh.

Leaning backward and shaking his wrists, arms and legs to the beat of the music, he looks on the verge of collapse with his eyes half closed before he springs back to life with a loud clucking sound and starts all over again.

DJ Lewis says he's trying to fight fear of the disease by getting people to have a laugh about it. Worries about bird flu have turned Ivorians off poultry and boosted demand for snails, rabbit, antelope and other bush meat.

"It's catching on quickly. People are coming from around Abidjan to see it," the DJ, with his name tattooed onto his right arm in large block letters told Reuters, adding he was partly inspired to do it by traditional Ivorian custom.

"Witchdoctors would get everyone in the village to dance to chase out disease so I started to think about how my ancestors would deal with (bird flu)," said the 21-year-old prize-winning DJ who still eats chicken if he's "sure it's well cooked".

Ivory Coast has been torn into a government-run south and rebel-held north since a 2002-03 civil war and tensions run high in the country as peace deals are slowly worked out.

But bars and discos on both sides of a U.N. and French-manned border keeping the warring factions apart still thrive as Ivory Coast's artists continue to turn out new concepts and styles for its music and dance-mad people.

The "Prudencia" -- a dance performed by looking rhythmically over each shoulder to check for danger came in the wake of the war and the "pigeon's wing" is another bird-inspired groove.

The most popular Ivorian style called the "couper-decaler" or "cut and split" has spread to some nearby countries.

DJ Lewis is vague on how the dance mocking the painful death of a chicken can make people less and not more scared of bird flu in a place where chickens roam roadsides and backyards.

But he remains passionate about his new dance and hopeful it will bring a boost to his career as a DJ and his ambitions of fame. "Watch this space," he said, in the words of his favourite catchphrase at the turntables.
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#51 Postby jusforsean » Mon May 15, 2006 7:37 am

Cookiely wrote:
jusforsean wrote:So, all in all I always discuss the posibilities with my friend and our "plan" but what would be a logical and safe plan to ride this out should it occour?Any suggestions from stocking up to how to live etc....

This is a link I found interesting and informative.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:V5M ... =clnk&cd=1
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/
If you have such an option find a rural place to live for an extended period with lots of supplies.


Wow thanks for the great link my bestfriends husband keeps tralking about buying land somewhere to refuge in. Scary thought.
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#52 Postby Cookiely » Tue May 16, 2006 5:03 am

jusforsean wrote:
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jusforsean wrote:So, all in all I always discuss the posibilities with my friend and our "plan" but what would be a logical and safe plan to ride this out should it occour?Any suggestions from stocking up to how to live etc....

This is a link I found interesting and informative.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:V5M ... =clnk&cd=1
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/
If you have such an option find a rural place to live for an extended period with lots of supplies.


Wow thanks for the great link my bestfriends husband keeps tralking about buying land somewhere to refuge in. Scary thought.

In Colonial times many of the wealthy people would have a second home when there were outbreaks of disease.
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#53 Postby jusforsean » Tue May 23, 2006 5:42 pm

Heycookiely, I was trying to pass on the link that you posted for me but it is a dead link now and it was a very cool artice. Could you please see if you could re-post it or tell me whaere to find it. Thanks in advance!!! :D
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#54 Postby conestogo_flood » Tue May 23, 2006 5:45 pm

Okay, living in Canada, I have millions of kilometres of open land to my north. Lets say if bird flu was pushing this way, if Toronto is hit, we'll be next, so does it sound like a good idea to get in the family vehicle and drive north? I wouldn't be able to handle myself if I was stuck in the city.
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#55 Postby TexasStooge » Wed May 24, 2006 7:49 pm

Schools will be first to shut in case of bird flu

By BRAD HAWKINS / WFAA ABC 8

DALLAS, Texas - When bird flu threatens, the first casualty may be the school bell.

Dallas County Health Authority Dr. John Carlo will make the call to recommend closing schools. He says the history of epidemics shows children spread disease first.

"We may have to close schools early," he says.

"We know there are not a lot of children's hospital beds out there. So, we're going to have to make control measures early."

People making plans for DFW-based businesses met today to get out ahead of any pandemic.

Retailers are considering ways to encourage shoppers not to swap cash.

The meeting of people who are planning for bird flu drew dozens of North Texas companies, large and small.

Texas Instruments has 15,000 people across the globe to consider.

"We have sites in Asia, in Europe, all over the world. Therefore we know it's going to impact some of our other employees in different places," said Texas Instruments medical director, Dr. Kevin Soden.

One grocer has already tracked an increase in the sales of bottled water and First Aid kits.

Whether that's the start of hurricane season or concerns over avian flu is not really clear.

"General preparedness for the community remains essential," added Dr. Carlos.
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#56 Postby angelwing » Wed May 24, 2006 8:44 pm

Human-to-human bird flu transmission confirmed, UN predicts death of
150 million people

[ 24 May 2006 15:30 ]

Human-to-human transmission of bird flu has been confirmed in
Indonesia (APA). The mutated form of the virus is the danger that
scientists expected.

The spread of the bird flu virus from human to human can claim
millions of lives. According to pessimistic forecasts of the UN
experts, the spread of the virus from human to human may lead to the
death of at least 150 million people. Russian head sanitary inspector
Gennadi Inishenko predicts 50 million and Russian Emergencies
Ministry predicts 27 million might die from this virus.
The possibility of spread of the H5N1 virus from human to human was
confirmed in Indonesia. The virus has been found on three children,
who stayed in the same room with the infected woman.
The World Health Organization has investigated the death of six of
seven members of a family, who contracted the deadly virus in
Indonesia. It was confirmed that the 10-year-old child contracted the
virus from his aunt and it spread to the father and other members of
the family. The WHO is now conducting a large-scale investigation
into the case of human-to-human transmission of bird flu.
The Health Ministry spokesman Samaye Mammadova told APA that no
emergency sanitary regime is due to be held in Azerbaijan related to
the investigation of new mutated form of the bird flu virus. She said
precautions are being implemented.
The H5N1 virus has already killed more than 120 people worldwide
since 2003. It has also devastated poultry stocks. /APA/

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=10183
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#57 Postby Janice » Wed May 24, 2006 8:50 pm

Well, I hope they are not letting in exotic pets and birds from other countries.

Birds are beginning to really scare me. You don't know where these birds are being kept. Also, is there any potential problem with bird droppings. Do other animals eat it?
And, foreign countries where people live on chickens, they are stealing the bad ones and eating them anyway.
How do we really know how many people have this and have died. There are so many remote areas where doctors, etc. do not go. These people fend for themselves.
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#58 Postby Cookiely » Wed May 24, 2006 9:42 pm

jusforsean wrote:Heycookiely, I was trying to pass on the link that you posted for me but it is a dead link now and it was a very cool artice. Could you please see if you could re-post it or tell me whaere to find it. Thanks in advance!!! :D

Try this link:
http://www.fluwikie.com/annex/WoodsonMonograph.htm
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#60 Postby Cookiely » Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:04 pm

This doesn't sound good at all. Sounds like it could be mutating, but then again China may be keeping the lid on the number of poultry infected. Out of 227 cases world wide, 129 fatalities and 98 survivors (2 of those don't sound like they have made a complete recovery). Can you imagine if over half the people in your county died? The utter chaos? How many respirators do they have in your city? I know for a certainty in Tampa they don't have enough respirators for regular patients let alone if a pandemic struck.
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WHO confirms China H5N1 case; Indonesia reports another death

Jun 16, 2006 (CIDRAP News) – The World Health Organization (WHO) confirmed today that a 31-year-old man in China's Guangdong province has avian influenza. And Indonesia's Health Ministry, citing local tests, said today that a 14-year-old boy from Jakarta died of the disease, according to news services.

The 31-year-old, a truck driver from Shenzhen near the Hong Kong border, has China's 19th case of avian flu, 12 of which have been fatal, according to WHO data. He remained hospitalized in critical condition, the WHO said.

This is the first avian flu case reported in China since April 27, when the WHO confirmed H5N1 in an 8-year-old girl who had been hospitalized April 16 in the southwestern province of Sichuan.

The worldwide count has now reached 227 avian flu cases with 129 fatalities, according to the WHO.

The WHO said today that the source of the man's infection is still being investigated but that preliminary reports indicate that he visited a local live-poultry market several times. But the agency added that the deadly H5N1 virus has not been officially reported in area poultry.

The fact that the man apparently did not have close or prolonged contact with poultry—and that he became infected at a warm time of year instead of the traditional October-to-March flu season—has some Chinese officials worried that the virus has changed become more infectious, according to news reports.

"We have a suspicion, but we have not confirmed it yet, that the virus might have become more virulent and more widespread than we had expected," said Hong Kong Health Secretary York Chow, as quoted by Agence France-Presse (AFP) today. "If that is the case, the risk for humans to be infected in the future is higher."

Chow and other local experts have raised the possibility that human infections in China may stem from contact with poultry that are carrying the virus but not appearing sick, according to a Reuters story today.

Lo Wing-lok, a Hong Kong infectious disease expert, said the Chinese government must explain how the 31-year-old became infected when it has reported no avian flu outbreaks among birds in the area, according to Reuters.

"They ought to come up with a reasonable explanation how this man came to be infected," he told Reuters. "Blanket denials don’t help at all. When they deny, we have to think twice about accepting."

Wing-lok also called on China to disclose how it conducts disease surveillance in domestic poultry, according to the Reuters story. "I don't know if there is insufficient surveillance or if the data is too frightening to be disclosed," he said.

In Indonesia, the 14-year-old boy from south Jakarta died Jun 14 of what local tests indicated was H5N1 avian flu, an Indonesian Health Ministry official said today, according to news services.

If the local test results are confirmed by a WHO-accredited lab, his will become Indonesia's 51st case and 39th death, all in 2005 and 2006, according to WHO statistics.

"The boy was admitted to the hospital Jun 14 after suffering from flu-like symptoms, and he died on the same day," Nyoman Kandun, director-general of the Health Ministry said today, according to a Reuters report. Kandun said the boy had had contact with sick poultry.

Case cluster survivor undergoes neuro testing
Elsewhere in Indonesia, the lone survivor among at least seven family members who suffered avian flu in North Sumatra last month is now being tested for rare neurologic complications of the disease, according to Bloomberg news.

Jones Ginting underwent magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of his brain yesterday, Bloomberg reported today. The report referred to Ginting's having neurologic symptoms but did not specify what they were.

Ginting is a patient at Adam Malik Hospital in Medan, the capital of North Sumatra province. If neurologic disease is confirmed, his would be one of few human H5N1 cases known to have involved the central nervous system (CNS), according to Bloomberg. The Feb 17, 2005, issue of The New England Journal of Medicine reported on a Vietnamese boy who died of H5N1 in 2004 and had encephalitis (see link to CIDRAP News story below).

"It's not clear whether he's suffering from a brain infection," said hospital deputy director Nur Rasyid Lubis, as quoted by Bloomberg.

"It's unusual for bird flu patients to undergo an MRI scan," added Sari Setiogi, a spokesperson for the WHO in Jakarta. She said Ginting's neurologic symptoms might have been caused by an unrelated illness, according to the Bloomberg article.

See also:

WHO statement on China case
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_06_16/en/index.html

WHO avian flu case count
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_in ... index.html

Feb 16, 2005, CIDRAP News story "Avian flu caused encephalitis in Vietnamese boy"
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